Everybody, welcome back. Lets get a check on the day ahead before we toss it over morning joe. President obama will increase access and affordability of high Speed Internet and the Boston School board will vote on a measure to add 40 minutes to elementary and middle school kids. It will earn teachers and additional 4,000 bucks a year. That will do it. Morning joe starts right now. Good morning, everyone it is wednesday, january 14th welcome to morning joe. With us on set we have msnbc analyst former democratic congressman harold ford wallace
white house correspondent for the wall street journal and on capitol hill times reporter Jeremy Peters as well. So we begin this morning with few developments in the paris terrorist attacks. In the new video released overnight the head of al qaeda in yemen claimed responsibility for the Charlie Hebdo attack which took place one week ago today. The new issue of the satirical features the Prophet Muhammad on the cover, it is sparking additional terrorist attacks. The paper sold out in minutes. Police say the gunman behind the market seenl had a wide web of statistical support. Police say they had equipment likely that came from overseas and there is also dramatic new video that shows the kouachi brothers immediately after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. It shows them calmly returning to their get away car before
celebrating their actions and firing shots at police. Here is the tape in its entirety. We want to get a more full picture of those moments after the attack. Here with us now msnbc contributor john berrelli. Take us through the video again, what do you think first of all is extremely significant about it . What do you see about the gunmen but the Police Response . Sure the first thing you mentioned in the intro how calmly they go about their business reloading their weapons claiming responsibility getting in the car. These guys are not in a rush to get out of there. They seem very much in control. This speaks to some obvious training and practice with this situation. Then they get in the car. They advance on the police car. Then as they approach i see them get out of the car, keep the doors opened and using the car as cover, the doors and then moving tactically as they advance on the police car and fire. What about the police car thats backing up while theyre coming at them obviously, theyre getting shot at. Is that the proper technique for police or should they block the road what should they have done . When you encounter a lethal threat i was taught in the fbi to get cover. Clearly, the Police Officer knew he was outgunned, they had military grade weapons, cover is putting distance between you and the engine block is potentially the thing that will save your life. So i think they acted appropriately in this situation. All right. When you are looking at this tape, what is significant about it to you . Obviously, you are describing what you are seeing but as somebody who is trying to sort of put together clues about these people what does it tell you the next step . I think again, its one ting a lot of people go to the Shooting Range, they will shoot at a paper target very much in control. These guys are moving and shooting they have all this equipment on its a very difficult situation. It takes training to do that. We saw still pictures the first day, they had a tight group of shots, the windshield of that car. Again, these guys are trained killers. That speaks to the level of training that theyve received and this is different situation. These guys definitely have practice at this. I appreciate it. It is frightening looking how calm they r. As don said they were professional. They were trained. They knew exactly what they were doing. Breaking news this morning, al qaeda and yemen officially coming out and taking responsibility. They are fully prepared to die. Theyre taking tear time. They know they have done what they have done. Police will respond any minute. They are slowly responding getting out of their car as the police car comes. They were ready, willing to die as they believe to million marters. The Worlds Largest intelligence sharing network will meet next week to discuss terrorism. The u. S. Australia, canada new britain and new zealand
collectively known as byebyes will take part. They have voted in favor of airstrikes on militants. Here at home the white house is responding to criticism that its refusing to refer to the paris terrorist attacks as quote radical islam. White House Press Secretary josh ernest explained why the Obama Administration believes it would be wrong to do so. The first is accuracy. We want to describe exactly what happened. These are individuals who carried out an act of terrorism. They later tried to justify that act of terrorism by invoking the relinlgion of i slam. The second is this is an act that was roundly condemned by muslim leaders. We also dont want to be in a situation where we are legitimizing what we consider to be a completely illegitimate justification for this violence. So carole lee, a lot of americans are really confused. When they sea reports of islamic extremism on television for well over a decade and it has become really the defining ideology of our time as far as what we respond we are fighting against the Islamic State. And have been. And have been fighting against isis and fighting against al qaeda. These are people that run planes into buildings, not because they want to gain territory, but because they believe they are marters and thats how they will be rewarded. It is all about their extreme version of relinlgion. So let me ask a question that millions and millions of americans are asking. Whats with the white house . Why wont they call islamic extremism islamic extremism . You heard the president say they dont want to elevate this
and legitimize these actors and buy into their narrative of what theyre doing and why. And secondly and i think this is probably more significant is that you have a president that thinks carefully about the language the white house uses earlier on he used the war on terror language. Right. He is also very careful in talking about these issues not to look as if the u. S. Is in some way condemning islam or talking negatively and relinlgion. So i think thats why you are seeing this effort that may be confusing to some folks. Its confusing, but i mean weve had that discussion here on the show over the past week obviously, mica where you had one person after another coming on saying no no no this is not islamic extremists. Lets roll the tape. A couple of things have been
said on this set. You know this is a climbing problem. I stopped calling them muslim terrorists. Theyre about as muslim as i am. They have no respect for anybody elses life. Thats not what the what karan. I think its a cult. This is complicated stuff. I think you have to treat these people as mass murderers. I dont think we should accord them any religious respect, whatever theyre claiminger their motivation is clearly a twisted cultish mind. The muslims will say, not all, some will say, why isnt there a law against defaming muhammad . Why are there laws against some kind of speech and not other kind of speech. It comes down to a political issue. I think that is understood here in france in terms of incitement of violence i think thats generally xanl rated. Of course there are a lot of what you call fundamentalist preachers in the muslim world just as there are crazy fundamentalist teachers in hinduism christianity judaism who will try to incite their congregations. I just dont hear this burning debate over whether or not to use the word islamic. Its appropriate to use it if its not. Gene has to write a column about that harold because there has been a burning debate. The white house since 2010 has been trying to pretend this isnt a problem and its yes only a very small, small percent annual of muslim extremists go out and kill. But, well mica has numbers from pugh polling from last year. There is a Cultural Divide between a lot of muslim
countries and france and england and america and if we dont understand this we make the same mistakes that george w. Bush and dig cheney and that Administration Made thinking they were going to go into these countries and find thomas jefferson. Well adding the word extremist to the phrase isnt that clarity enough the question i would ask . People have numbers and more extreme elements of islam, when it comes to stoneing as punishments, more than eight in ten muslims in pakistan and afghanistan want the official law, adulterers should be stoned. Nearly as many say in the palestinian territories and in egypt. Its 81 . A majority supports stoneing as a penalty for the unfaithful. In jordan 67 there. Its 60 in malaysia. When it comes to conversions, taking the life of those who abandon islam is most widely supported in egypt. 86 and jordan 82 , roughly twothirds who want sharyia to be the law of the land. Thats important. In the other countries, surveyed in the middle east in africaen region fewer than half take this view. Harold we have to acknowledge, we have to acknowledge, do we not, the nature of the wrath and the difference . One of the boys you met shown was David Ignacious who talked about about on your show the funeral of one of the Police Officers who had a relative get up at the viewing and say those who committed these acts are not muslims, theyre terrorists. But those numbers are hard to refute what mica said from the few polls. The white house the language i agree with carole this white house and this president language is very important to him as it should be but at the same time you cant shouldnt we though wouldnt it have been helpful
for fdr to say, well, you know naziism is not extreme german nationalism. Yes, it was, and yes, this is muslim extremism that saudi arabia one of our good allies spent billions and billions of dollars promoting over the globe over the past quarter century. But i could see how good muslims would say these are not muslims. Of course, we say this all the time on the show well over a billion people. I said yesterday, willie i wouldnt print the cartoon. But in fairness those numbers do not support the violent acts and terrorist acts we saw in paris. I can understand someone supporting tear relinlgion. Im not a muslim. If christians were going out blowing away3,000 people in the name of jesus and carrying around crosses, my god, the
things christians are accused of starting crusade for i dont know, just the simplest of things are just absolutely outrageous. You could also imagine if that were happening that somebody would say, those arent christians which is what theyre trying to do right. We understand that im saying there are christian, there are extreme christians not extreme christians that go out and kill 3,000 people on 911. There are muslims. There are extreme muslims. I dont quite understand Jeremy Peters, why this is even a debate inside the white house. I think carole raises a really astute point is that this white house seems to be overly cautious in how it uses language at times, but i do think we also need to act knowledge a big piece of why were having this discussion and thats because every time there is a terrorist attack, there are conservative
pundits who use the president s language as a sign of a way to show that you saw on terror. This happened with the fort hood shooting. This happened with benghazi and why do you hear everyone on fox news saying why wasnt the president calling this terror . Its less i think a debate of how, what the president thinks and more a political attempt to make him look like hes soft. Well i dont know that i would call myself a conservative pundit. If you talk to a lot of conservatives. I dont mean you. Hold it a second, though i am genuinely confused as i guarantee you an overwhelming majority of americans are confused why he doesnt call islamic extremism, islamic extremism. I generally am confused. It is islamic extremism. Really. Again, i said yesterday, i
will again, i want to reiterate, i personally would not show a cartoon of muhammad. Why . You know why . Because it would offend 1. 5 billion muslims, just like i would hope somebody reporting on a story of people putting a crucifix. Everyone has their line. Wouldnt show that. You can be deferencetial to 1. 5 million muslims. In fact, it helps muslims win point out these are muslim extremists, instead of muslims. Its not a condemnation of the greater faith to tell the truth of what happened. In this case we watched two guys who came out of an officer where they slaughtered an office of cartoonists. And three muslims. And said we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad. They said they were responding to the cartoons on the cover and in the pages of Charlie Hebdo. That has nothing to do with the greatest muslim faith. We know what it is. It is a great faith. These guys misrented it. They feel like theyre being taken hostage by these terrorists. I do feel since im leading in these discussions, i think now would be a good time to say that i support the communities at our ground zero when i think 1 of the population supported that out of sensitivity to the muslim population. This is just plain stupid on the white houses part. I think you have to call the threat what it is. With all Different Countries and faiths go to the unity event. When do they go to the unity event . You were in the minority there. I want you to know i do it out of love. Hey, real quake i quickly, lets talk, when we talk about it this morning, mitt romney the guy is running. Hes in. Mitts in. Hes in. What do you think . Are you go only the get on the campaign . Probably not. But i think if you are a republican and you are a big donor and you thought about what happened in 2012 you probably are thinking i want to try another guy. Then you look at the other guys and then you go back to mitt. Not necessarily. Jeb bush. Jeb bush may be the guy. Look at these number showing an iowa poll at the town hall romney will add 14 , Mike Huckabee 9. Ted cruz 7, Chris Christie 5. If you look at a poll if are you mitt romney, you say maybe i should give eight try. Mitt romney is ahead. If he gets a good team. Jeb really accelerated things by jumping in last week. Now mitt feels the process is started. If i want a shot at this i got to go. You have Chris Christie making
his state of the state speech in new jersey it sound like his vision of america. Rand paul took a shot at jeb, mitt and marco rubio. And mitt had a congressman supported him, called the Washington Post and took a jab at jeb. Jeremy peters it has begun, mica and i have been shocked over the past couple years. We have always been a jeb fan. What we have been shocked about is the resistance you get a lot of boos from audiences, this is even conservative audiences, just like weve had enough of the bush family. A lot of people have enough of romney. I think on todays front page of the fork times which gets into the very deep reservations that a lot of republicans have about a third romney candidacy. I think about it this way, if you look at where both political
parties are positioning themselves ahead of 2016 theyre all signaling very populist notes, especially on economic issues. So the standard bearer for the Republican Party is going to be the guy who said i like firing people or corporations when the country is concerned about the middle class and both Political Parties are trying to appeal. What about the other two establishment candidates jeb bush, who you look at some of his boards and some of the companies he has been associated with and Chris Christie who hangs out in jerry jones owners box and hillary on the other side. These establishment candidates. Not filling that gap. Totally cut out of cast material. Right. Im not saying its not going to be an issue for jeb. Certainly, you point out he has a lot of questions to answer about his business past. We already had this debate with mitt romney. People already know what his baggage is his opponents are going to run clips, reels of his gaps and statements that make him insensitive to the plight of working people. Okay. We shall see. My instinct tell me he would be better this time around. We were going to talk about the three pillars, the way president obama took him under the debates. And iraq getting out of iraq t. Guy called it. He was mocked and ridiculed by barak obama. Im sure if barak obama had a doover, he would do what he said. Id like ten new stories. Coming ahead, representative Xavier Becerra and senator ben sasse and josh gad. Come on he has the wedding ringer. Oh up next from being on the
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