And id like to. Cut. So im gonna take this opportunity to direct. Thank you, well call you. Evening, film noir, smoke, atmosphere. Bob. Youre a young farmhand and e trade is your cow. Milk it. E trade is all about seizing opportunity. [ crowd chanting bernie ] we won in wisconsin [ cheers and applause ] with our victory tonight in wisconsin, we have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses and primaries [ cheers and applause ] god bless the great state of wisconsin. [ cheers and applause ] as a result of the people of wisconsin defying the media, defying the pundits, i am more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1237 delegates needed to win the republican nomination. We get an oh jesus out of heilman there, defying the media . He didnt defy the media . I just cant take the oratory. Defying the media . Thats like marco rubio saying nobody said this would happen. Everybody said you were going to
be in the third place. The media was behind him. Thats a fascinating night last night. The fight for the nomination in both parties will go on. Wisconsin has spoken. Last night, ted cruz scored a mustwin victory, comfortably beating donald trump 48 to 35 . Governor john kasich won 14 , but as of this moment came in third in every county. We need to talk about that. We do. But trump performed well in the northern and western parts of the state and ended the night with three delegates. Cruz has taken home 33 so far. Six are yet to be decided. On the democratic side, Bernie Sanders extended his winning streak to six with a 14point victory in wisconsin over Hillary Clinton. So bernies won six out of seven . Uhhuh. But he barely made a dent in the delegate race. Thats right, picking up 46 delegates to clintons 43. Senator sanders still trails by
670 delegates as the democratic race moves to saturdays caucuses in wisconsin and new yorks primary 10 days after that and huillary clinton will e our guest this morning on morning joe. That should be interesting. With us on set, we have John Heilemann and mark halperin. In washington, senior Political Editor and White House Correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein who was up way too earl will think mowill thin. Willie geist, your family in wisconsin. He doesnt talk about that. If you saw him asked ask the question who buys two minivans . The guy with two families. So your wisconsin people, i dont know if they surprised us or not but it was an identical story on both sides where you had both frontrunners losing by 13 points and then the question being is it going to have an impact at all or not . Still, what a big night for the underdogs. The public polling was underestimating what ted cruz
was going to do last night. It had it at about 10 points, he won by 13 points. This becomes the story of delegate math. Were looking at the convention and unless donald trump can pull something huge in these states coming up, because even the rosiest projections of the northeast and california get him a little under 1237. That doesnt count those unbound delegates. This could come down to the negotiation and the convincing and the swaying of unbound delegates to become the nominee of the party. Mark halperin, going to be christmas in july talk about last night before we jump ahead. Any big surprises . No, these are two weak frontrunners, neither of whom went into wisconsin in a strong position and both of whom come out able to win the nominations. The heavy favorite still by both of them still haeavy favorites. Theyll have to fight. In new york trump is in a much stronger position than Hillary Clinton but beyond new york its going to be a real fight for
trump because even people who support him now say he is much better off going to the con swrengs the majority. If he doesnt have the majority, all bets are all for him and i think the party now is convinced they have their mo mojo, they have their confidence they can deploy resources to stop him from getting the majority. I have said if he doesnt get to 1237 he might as well go home. Actually, it does matter, lets say hes 100 short. That will be easier for them to twist arms and make deal, possibly get over the threshold. No doubt last night he would have preferred to do much better and the 13 point margin now, certainly all of his critics and there are a zillion of them are saying wisconsin will be a drag on new york state. We wont know that for a week. Being 100 short is misleading. Because a lot of people bound to vote for trump on the first ballot, theyre ghost delegates, theyre not for trump. Theyll be bound to vote for him. But they will figure out a way if they can keep him
short, he wont be a hundred short, hell be well more than a hundred short. Everyone he gains for negotiation, hell lose some also. Willie and i working on a scifi thriller right now the ghost delegate. A lot of violence. Gratuitous nudity . Of course willie and i are writing. It keanu reeves already attached . He is. Love the script. At this point i dont think trump is the heavy favorite to win the nomination at all. The most likely outcome is a contested convention. In that scenario i have no idea who the favorite is. Whats the percentage up to now . 56 . How likely is that going into new york, new jersey, et cetera, et cetera . Connecticut . The unresolved question we talked to on the air is how
strong will john kasich be in rhode island, connecticut, maryland. And ted cruz. We have a sense of cruzs strength now. Cruz is fighting you could argue that that can i answer a john kasich question as a guy who loves john kasich and sports john kasich . If the guy isnt strong in his neighboring state, hes not going to be strong in the northeast. Again, its not clear that thats true in the sense that i dont think you will have in these other states the concerted effort of the republican establishment and conservative talk radio all siding with ted cruz and making a strategic decision to try to keep john kasich down. I dont know what will happen. Will john kasich get 30 or get 15 in connecticut, rhode island, maryland, and pennsylvania . Here why i think trump is the heavy favorite. Kasich has not performed well anywhere. We all like him, we think hes not doing as well as he should be doing but he may not catch on in the northeast any more than
he did in wisconsin. Hes not going to. And cruz, theres no reason to think hes a great northeastern and can diet is trump could spend the next month winning a lot. They also dont like him. I think the establishment and stop trump forces are shooting themselves in the foot because theyre so blindly focused their hatred on trump to the point where they cant see that what theyre going get is cruz and he actually will not pivot, he actually will be ted cruz, someone who is resoundly hated in washington and has done damage when he spent time there and i think theyre misreading trump who may not be the best candidate for the Republican Party in their eyes but i bet has the ability to pivot on issues ten times more than ted cruz, whether you like him or not. I think stop Trump Movement will take the opposite lesson from wisconsin. And it will become fire. Say look what we did. Charlie sykes stopped trump and got ted cruz who will lose to hillary. Hes trying to pivot. When we talked to Charlie Sykesremember what he said . He said ted cruz isnt my first, second, third or fourth choice. Then you probably shouldnt choose him. But hes acceptable enough. Hes not hey, hes fine with me. Lets be clear, ted cruz will never be the nominee of the Republican Party. If he is, good for me. You dont have to say. That ted cruz will never get the nomination. You dont think hes more likely . Whos more likely than ted cruz . Paul ryan. Right now the guy is loathed and he is loathed inside d. C. In a way this trump is not loathed. I mean, i know a lot of the establishment hates donald trump but ted cruz is the devil they know and they dont like him. He wont win the nomination. Right now hes a vehicle to stop donald trump. And a very poor one. So it will be donald trump or somebody else. He is not i dont know, maybe ted cruz is the most wonderful
person in the world when hes throwing baseballs with his neighborhoods and barbecuing but he is not on tv a likable guy. And he hasnt performed in a likable way in washington, i. E. , shut it down. Hes not going to do it so its going to be donald trump or somebody else. I think its true the stop trump forces, the never trump forces, that is how they see it. They dont believe that they are on ted cruzs side. What they are, again, theyre trying to get to a contested convention and theyre either secretly for kasich or rubio or paul ryan or mitt romney, theyre for somebody else. Again, squawk is the best. To me the clearest example of this. The guy who a week before he endorsed ted cruz, he said well have a contested convention and it will be someone whos not ted cruz but ill back ted cruz for now. They cant stand him so it will be trump or somebody else. But last night something really remarkable happened in wisconsin and i was just talking to bill kristol offset about it. I dont know that ive ever seen it happen before. People are always saying well, you know, maybe voters will go in and make a statement. Maybe voters will go that never happens. Its bull. People go in and they vote their heart, very rarely their head. Wisconsin last night did something ive never seen before. You had suburban people who loathed ted cruz. Voting for him. Disconnected from him ideologically, disconnected from his socially, temperamentally, just like Charlie Sykes, they went in and its extraordinary, they made the calculation were not going to vote for john kasich, were going to vote for guy whos most like to stop donald trump. It never happens. It happened last night in wisconsin. Its extraordinary. To that point, gop turnout
easily broke the record set 36 years ago in 1980 with nearly 1. 1 Million People participating. But i thought there was Voter Suppression, i sure heard stories yesterday about Voter Suppression and these voter i. D. Laws. Like i imagine how big turnout would have been without those. Where people not thrown in jail, willie . I thought they got water hoses out yesterday. Not last night, no. That was in the media. In the media all day yesterday all i heard were breathless stories after breathless stories. It was a little bit overplayed. But the nbc news exit poll found far fewer Wisconsin Republican voters angry at washington, just 32 compared to nearly double that in nevada. Among the key groups behind cruzs victory were those most concerned about winning in november who went for cruz 68 to 19 for trump along with those who preferred a candidate with experience in politics, 68 to 8 for trump. Cruz also won with those who said trade creates u. S. Jobs and voters with incomes of over 100,000. Last night, a triumphant cruz announced his campaign brought in 2 million tuesday alone and said he is convinced he will earn enough delegates to security the nomination. Tonight is a turning point. Its a rallying cry, its a call from the hardworking men and women of wisconsin to the people of america, we have a choice. A real choice. I am more and more convinced that our campaign is going to tern 1237 delegates needed to win the republican nomination. [ cheers and applause ] either before cleveland or at the convention in cleveland, together we will win a majority of the delegates and together we will beat Hillary Clinton in november. [ cheers and applause ] i wonder, mika, how do you
think he asks for macaroni and cheese . He goes honey. Honey. Can i please have the macaroni and cheese . You know, Winston Churchill said that the soviet union was a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a mystery. Macaroni and cheese. Much like that. Dear. Can you pass it to me . Maybe, willie . Youre the love of my life, heidi. Theres an element of theater to his performance. [ laughter ] its painful. We were talking about that yesterday. I wonder how necessary private. Two other notes real quick on ted cruz yesterday in wisconsin. He won among noncollege educated voters, where donald trump has cleaned up. Cruz won those by double digits so all these numbers, is this a story about wisconsin or the race Going Forward. Well find out. We have to wait two weeks but well see if things change in the northeast. The numbers, though, shocking numbers about are you mad at
washington . You ask that question in alabama or mississippi, the nunl bers are way up there, wisconsin, not really. Do you want experience or change . The south . Wisconsin, you know, change is okay, but i think i like experience. Im surprised Hillary Clinton didnt win. They are prototypical midwesterners. I understood all along trump was going to do well in New Hampshire, in south carolina, in the deep south. I tell you what, you get in wisconsin or minnesota, thats a blind spot for me, i think rubio would have done really we said rubio didnt have a state where he could have won, he w. F this man you mock who do i mock . Ted cruz. Hes won more delegates than rick perry he wants to have him on his show. My show is on hiatus. Im just telling you, hes got a sophisticated delegate operation, he has a lot of money and im telling you also its going to be hard to convince paul ryan or anyone else to get into to put their name in. Mark halperin, you might be right, thats why we like to have a lot of different view points on morning joe. Willie . On these election nights we become used to donald trump doing big events at maralago, last night donald trump did not speak to the cameras but released a statement. Hes not speaking in third person. What does he have against puppets . Maybe something happened. I dont know. Like geppetto . What do you think of the statement . It theres a beauty to it, its incredible. He agrees with you, what you guys said, people are voting for cruz not because they like him, but because hes a trojan horse. Which is a huge mistake because theyre going to get what they dont want. Theyre not going to get him. If they succeed, they will get exactly what they dont want. What they fear in trump, theyll get in cruz. Just saying. Weve been talking about the importance of donald trump showing more discipline. Yes. Its a slow roll. [ laughter ] but you had the aipac speech which was a great step forward. You had donald trump putting out a policy paper on the wall, the mexican wall which, again, let people pick that apart but theres policy now attached to it that he can explain away and people can argue against the policy. Then theres the Statement Last night, instead of a garage of angry tweets at fox news and all these other stuff, thats what he has to do that. Statement was tough and you know what . It was on message. Would i have put lying ted cruz in there . No. But i would havent done a thousand things donald trump has done, he knows his audience and that statement was on message last night and its what he had to do. He also answered your question from yesterday which is
can donald trump hold himself back from the cameras . Can he resist the lure of the camera . Just forgetting about whats in the statement, the fact that it was a statement and that he didnt do a press conference, didnt create a opportunity for him to go off on a tangent or Say Something that would get him in trouble, he stayed off the camera last night. Some discipline just in that. He did acruise ted cruz of breaking the law without providing any evidence. Well, he said a slow roll. Barack obama accused mitt romney of murdering somebody so i think thats okay. Super pac ads . I think if youre going accuse someone of breaking the law you should present a case. I guess barack obama didnt accuse murder of murdering somebody. Just it was a super pac, wasnt it . Yeah. Because they dont work together. Bill burton and president obama never knew each other, they dont talk ever. Killing a mans wife. It was killing a mans wife. Barack obamas super pac suggested mitt romney killed a mans wife. The whole super pac thing is unfortunate and why Bernie Sanders might have raised 5 million. Im serious. In 37 seconds. Go ahead, willie. Oh, sam stein, actually. Oh, sam i thought willie was going to sam. Sams there, hi, sam. Look at sam. He looks so languid and bittersweet, to quote steely dan. Sam, we look at Donald Trumps record and people question it and theres been a lot of criticism and concerns about things hold on, triage. Co. Here, can we get a shot. Whats wrong with him . This is the second time you have spilled your drink. What is wrong with you . Take the orange juice away from the man. I had an important question for sam. This is the second time in ten minutes. Step away from the orange
juice, mark halperin. Sam, while theres been much coverage of things Like Trump University and bob woodward coming to our sweat a file and everybody looking into trumps background and theres a lot to look at. Quite a windup. But tell me, stop trump forces and all sorts of people in the establishment who are so fearful of donald trump, have we looked at ted cruz and the impact hes had on washington and our country and say the past two years . Could you help us throughout . Are we getting mark a new orange juice or is he forbidden . No, hes finished. Cut off. Is it just the orange juice or all juices were cutting him off of. Any liquids. Im going to dilute them with water. The question is are we giving enough attention to ted cruz . Probably not. He hasnt been the tremendopres
frontrunner. And his career is fairly recent, at least his federal career. But remember this, early december or so david brock it will operative associated with the Hillary Clinton campaign put out a memo in which he said his groups will be focusing their research and efforts around ted cruz. At the time, people were like why would you do that . Jeb, marco, trump, theyre the frontrunners. Barack called it that cruz would end up being the nominee. It might not end up being the case but it certainly stands to reason that a lot of these outside groups have a lot waiting on ted cruz should he emerge from the convention. I would talk about the stuff thats out there. Hes loathed in washington. He, quite frankly, is one of the reasons washington doesnt work today. He shut down the government. Lets remember that. So stop trump forces and establishment who fear donald trump, understan