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[ crowd chanting bernie ] i grew up in brooklyn. [ cheers and applause ] the American Dream was alive and well. My dad came to this country from poland at the age of 17, didnt have a nickel in his pocket. Together we are going to create an economy that works for all of us, for the elderly, the children, the sick, the poor, the middleclass and the working families of this country, not just the 1 . [ cheers and applause ] just incredible. Bernie sanders last night in new york city and bernie has added one more iconic moment this campaign. I remember him standing on the back of the pick up truck in New Hampshire with a microphone looking like Bobby Kennedy from 68 after his iowa win our tie or draw. And then the america ad and, mike, that last night. 27,000 people in Washington Square. Forget the poll, why would he get out . Drawing that kind of crowd. Kasie hunt, you were there last night. I was. This is peak Bernie Sanders. This is everything weve been talking about for the last three months. You can see when he took the stage he was a little bit emotional and stepped back to take it all in as hes had to fight the narrative that he should get out and Hillary Clinton is going to be the Presumptive Democratic nominee. Few rallies like this, John Heilemann, in modern american politics. It happens but it happens rarely. And in the heat of a primary in new york state, in new york city, the develop media market the country just an absolutely stunning stunning shots. A lot of what campaigning in new york is about when you have a primary here is about making moments and the moment that really because this is the Media Capital of the world, these images get captured, they echo louder and longer than in other places so sanders going to places like topeka kansas and places that cakasie has been ani have been, getting 2,000, thats somewhat more impressive, but in the context of the primary, these moments can make a difference in terms of how the course of the narrative unfolds. And he needs this momentum. Polls showing hes behind in new york state. Its a state he has to win. Thats the question is where does the moment lead to . Were still the same position we were in before this rally happened. Yeah it looks great for him. Clearly he can get the huge crowds. Of course now he doesnt have to pull out. He keeps making that argument, we keep winning, were not going to pull out but the reality is the numbers are stacked against him. If you can just keep the emphasis on that side no, youre right, if you dont translate it to votes and barack obama translated it to votes. He had fewer people in his crowd in 2007 september, 2007, huge crowd, same place. Last night we heard him for the first time acknowledge that this was going to be a tough primary for him. He was up there on that stage and said we know this is going to be hard, partly because of the way the primary is structured, independents cant vote, people didnt switch their registration in time. But i think there is a sense from the campaign and, john, i think youve picked up on some of this, too, that if they cant come out of new york with a win, they have to start to reckon with how and if theyre going to close this. Remember, the key thing here is that if Bernie Sanders wins this primary by a point or two it will actually it will hurt him in the sense that in order to get to a majority of delegates, he needs to win these primaries by large margins. If he wins by two points, it will be a psychic victory, it will be a huge momentum boost but it wont get him net delegates and hes 200 some odd delegates behind in the pledged delegate count. If he doesnt make up that ground, it doesnt help to win here by 1 or 2 or 3 percentage points, hes got to win by 10. It doesnt help in the math but talk about the intangibles, beating Hillary Clinton in her home state, that would run his winning streak up to what . Eight, nine . And speaking of the intangib intangibles, theres one intangible thats mystifying to me viewing it from a distance. You two have viewed it up close. The new york feel. Who has a better sense of it . Does bernie born in brooklyn or hilly who has represented new york . The crowd last night was spectacular, i dont think it was the essence of new york. It was largely young, very enthusiastic and good for bernie but who has a better sense of the state . Well, i think she has had if you look at the period of time of the week where theyve been here now in the state campaigning, she has shown a better feel for the totality of new york, for the media dynamic. Shes won more news cycles than he has. It makes sense. Although hes from brooklyn, hes been a vermont politician his entire career. She, although shes not won here in a decade, she still has won statewide here twice, once resoundingly back in 2006. I think she gets a little bit she gets this state a little better in terms of how you win the day, the roughandtumble. Shes a little stronger than he is. She can still bank on her 2006 experience of how much time she had to spend upstate. She spent a lot of time on that listening tour. And she campaigned against obama here and beat him soundly. Shes done this state a lot. And just for the record, welcome to morning joe. [ laughter ] oh, wait, thats why were here. Whos here today . Kmee mika is in the south of france checking her second house out in nice. She has two houses in nice. Is she going to take barnicles pickup truck to nice . Shes got the city place and the Country Place in nice. It takes a lot of time up. It does. All of the people that work for those two houses, its pretty hard. Mike barnicle, who is he . Guys is he legendary or what . Legendary columnist in. Kasie hunt with us, john hielman and katty kay with the news. Katty . Shall we get to the latest on what is happening . Nonbernie news. Bernie was definitely the lead. Bernie was the lead but donald trump has added veteran operatives to catch up to ted cruz who has outorganized the businessman in the delegate race so far. Trump announced the hiring of rick wily, the former Campaign Manager for scott walker who served as the rncs political director. Wileys position is seen as strengthening the hand of Paul Manafort as trump protests the rnc process. In colorado right now, theyre picketing and going wild because the bosses and the establishment and the people that should havent this power took all of the power away from the voters. So the voters never got to vote and voters didnt know that except when i got and complained because they did it after i joined the race and they figured id probably win colorado, which i would, i would win colorado. And we have delegates that go in, they dont take them and they take these others so they get the delegates without vogt. Im just saying the system is a corrupt system. Its a rigged system. Weve got to change it. And yesterday rnc chair Reince Priebus who trump accused of knowing the process was being rigged against him said he didnt take these barbs personally. I have to respond, though, if the party of which im the chairman of is getting attacked, especially when its not true. I know people get frustrated and theyre disappointed when things dont go go exactly the right way. I think when people are trust rated and upset they say things they regret but certainly one thing thats strew that the rules are not being changed in order to injure or benefit anybody. Late last night, trump wrote on twitter this as the head of colorados Republican Party says he and his family are receiving death threats, joe. Nice. Yeah. A lot about colorado. John heilemann, though, i dont think its the numbers in colorado that matter to trump. This is a perfect vehicle for him to say the system is rigged and he says that to his voters in new york state, new jersey, pennsylvania, california, all the people who believe the system is rigged and are voting for trump because of that are reinforced. On the merits the argue system wrong in the sense that the rules were not changed to benefit anybody in particular. I think Reince Priebus is wright. To the extent the rule changes took place a year ago, Trumps Campaign has failed to reckon with those things. Isnt it strange, though, that a state awards delegates and they dont let their people vote . Well, yeah. Yeah there are a ton of strange anomalies. Im just saying generally. If im a republican in colorado and thinking id like to have a say on who wins the nomination. If i were a republican in colorado i would not like that system. But, again, the system was not changed in order to disadvantage trump. On the merits its not a strong argument. Politically its a very strong argument. It taps into the sense that the populist energy for people who think there is an establishment out to screw them and screw him, that plays right to it. Hes picked up another republican insider. Hes got people if there from a lot of different hes got people from scott walkers campaign, hes got people from ben carsons campaign, hes got manafort running it all along with Corey Lewandowski, hes going a bit more mainstream, isnt he . I think hes recognized that although hes railing against the system in public he understands that in order to win the nomination he has to play that game and he needs people who know how to play that game. Whether its the convention itself or the runup to the convention, he needs to compete with the people playing the game very well in terms of the delegate Selection Process around the country. And discipline in the way he has over the past week or two. You havent seen the twitter screeds, he sat down with megyn kelly. That moment, having his family there and even his family saying weve told him he has to discipline himself. And you say the cnn town hall meeting with the family i didnt see it but you said compelling tv. It was donald trump playing the part of robert young in the old father knows best tv series. He wasnt loud, he wasnt boisterous, he was compellingly cooperative. He gave most of the time to his family. He was often quiet. There are long stretches that he said nothing. No one said anything ground breaking, it was fairly straightforwa straightforward, pro trump. But its a compelling testament to have his children are such articulate spokespeople on his behalf. I dont know if any of you saw the cruz town hall last night because i would sail the same about the hour they spent with cruz and the two young daughters last night, that was also very they looked like particularly when they brought the daughters up they looked like a normal real family. Ive known donald for 10 years or so, people will say whats he like . I say hes not like that guy you see on tv. And i always tell the story, one of the things i think is the most compelling is the way he acts when the cameras arent on him and i remember at one point commenting about his children, what Great Children he had. I said a lot of people that have money, their kids are just jerks. I said i dont know donald, a lot of people say a lot of stuff about you but the one thing i will say is that i judge a person many times by their children and what donald said with nobody looking is, he said dont give me any credit for that, ivana is extraordinary. Its their mother. What an incredible woman, she made them who they are and then she handed them off to me fully formed and great and said its your turn and he just said im cky, he said they are incredible kids. That five years ago when nobody was looking is probably what some of everybody saw the other night, the side of donald trump that unfortunately he does not show enough. It hasnt come out very much in this campaign. They did a People Magazine spread he and melania at home. That was a print interview but he talked what about family means to him and even if you listen around the edges hell say i want to go home and spend some time at home with my family. Its very clear thats important to him. But i think that gets missed quite a bit and the cnn town hall where you got a chance to see it and where he was it was remark to believe see him physically sit back in his chair and just watch his family speak on his behalf. I hadnt the one thing hes been a disciplinarian about is drinks and drugs and he apparently says to them every morning when they were growing up, no alcohol, no drugs, you just dont do it. I did want to ask the kids, so have you . Did you . Hes saying ive never had a glass of alcohol in my life and ivanka saying i used to roll my eyes at dad but that was the message but that comes from his brother who struggled with alcoholism mightily. So ted cruz, you were talking about ted cruz. I guess he held a rally in erie, pennsylvania, then his family came back to new york where he discussed a possible contested convention in cleveland and talked about potential vp picks. If trump emerges with more votes in the popular vote but at the convention in a second round you get the delegates, you get the nomination, will the will of the people be subverted . Thats what trump is saying. Its a ludicrous argument. Theres one way and only one way you earn the republican nomination, that is you earn the votes with a majority of the delegates elected by the people. Going back to 1860 that has been consistently for more than a century how the Republican Party has picked our nominee. Could you see a cruz rubio ticket . Look, anyone would naturally look at marco as one of the people who would be a terrific foreign consider for vp and were in the process now of considering a number of different options. Youre not ruling it out . He would be someone that you would be a fool not to look at seriously. Is hes very, very talented. Hes in the process now of considering a number of options. I want to be on the record on this. Im not ruling out the prospect of putting mike on the ticket. Why is it so convoluted this delegates Selection Process . Is it more convoluted than the democratic process . Well, the democratic process has super delegates and which a lot of people think is worse. I cant give you a straightforward answer as to why. Both parties have their quirks. The Republican Party has quirks that are more on a statebystate level and the Democratic Party has a large quirk with the super delegates. For many people its nuts. Caucuses are quirky, right . There are a lot of people who think caucuses are not as democratic as they should be. Both parties have oddities. I read a couple articles yesterday that said cruz could stop trump on the second ballot. Question is, can cruz get to 1237 . Before the first ballot . Are there 1237 delegates that would support him . Someones done an analysis in the last 24 hours that suggest theres at least 150 Trump Delegates currently who have made it clear they will turn against trump at the first ballot and many of those people presumably will be open to cruz. Part of whats going on around the country is that the cruz people are trying to get dwheegs are pledged to trump in the first ballot to switch to cruz in the second. I know cruz may be able to stop him. I just find it hard to believe there will be 1237 delegates and they say yeah, this is the guy who can beat Hillary Clinton. Are the rules that whatever ballot counting we are, whoever is the nominee, has to get 1237. So whatever its yes. So he would have to. Hes not the nominee unless he gets 1237. And thats what im saying, i dont think he can get there. I think trump will get 1237 before on the first ballot but if he doesnt i find it hard to believe people will go oh, great, now we have a chance to give it to ted cruz. Thats what i was going say. Thats been the problem of the Republican Party all the away long with donald trump. They want to stop him but they cant figure out how the get on the same side to the same person to the point where they can get to this. Thats where i think ted cruzs own failings, likability issues, problems with Mitch Mcconnell and others in the Republican Party come into play. Is the stop Trump Movement a procruz movement . Weve been moving in that direction but were not there yet. Cruzs supporters really like cruz in a way that rubio supporters never seemed that enthusiastic about rubio. People who voted for Cruz Campaigned for him, are very committed. Theres a level of enthusiasm about his campaign you havent seen necessarily from the other candidates. The first big question is how many delegates cruz has going into the convention. Most people assume if trump doesnt get to 1237, the secondmost delegates will be held by cruz. So the question is how many does cruz need to convert and what happens in the second ballot to the people pledged on the first ballot to rubio, to kasich, to jeb bush, to chris christie, to any of those guys who accumulated a small number of delegates and then theyre all there are some delegates who can switch on the second ballot and some who cant until the third. So there are different rules in terms of when youre not bound anymore for different sets of delegates. So the further on he goes the more likely he is to pick people up. Heres the big question, how long are we going to be in cleveland in july. [ laughter ] dont say july, mike, it could be august. Who knows . I mean if trump doesnt get in on the first ballot i just let me put it this way, if its not trump i think it will be a long time. Now, i will say when he was having his really rough stretch a couple of weeks ago i was of the opinion that if he was one short they werent going to give it to him. Now hes brought in the professionals. Hes staying out of the headlines, not doing every single show. Good story out of new york. Great story out of new york, great story out of connecticut, great story out of pennsylvania most likely. Hes doing all these massive states in the northeast and everybodys saying but look at indiana, he may lose indiana by one and a half points and thiss going to change the no, i dont think so. I think hes going to have great momentum and it will be harder and harder for the American Dream<\/a> was alive and well. My dad came to this country from poland at the age of 17, didnt have a nickel in his pocket. Together we are going to create an economy that works for all of\rus, for the elderly, the children, the sick, the poor, the middleclass and the working families of this country, not just the 1 . [ cheers and applause ] just incredible. Bernie sanders last night in new york city and bernie has added one more iconic moment this campaign. I remember him standing on the back of the pick up truck in New Hampshire<\/a> with a microphone looking like Bobby Kennedy<\/a> from 68 after his iowa win our tie or draw. And then the america ad and, mike, that last night. 27,000 people in Washington Square<\/a>. Forget the poll, why would he get out . Drawing that kind of crowd. Kasie hunt, you were there last night. I was. This is peak Bernie Sanders<\/a>. This is everything weve been\rtalking about for the last three months. You can see when he took the stage he was a little bit emotional and stepped back to take it all in as hes had to fight the narrative that he should get out and Hillary Clinton<\/a> is going to be the Presumptive Democratic<\/a> nominee. Few rallies like this, John Heilemann<\/a>, in modern american politics. It happens but it happens rarely. And in the heat of a primary in new york state, in new york city, the develop media market the country just an absolutely stunning stunning shots. A lot of what campaigning in new york is about when you have a primary here is about making moments and the moment that really because this is the Media Capital<\/a> of the world, these images get captured, they echo louder and longer than in\rother places so sanders going to places like topeka kansas and places that cakasie has been ani have been, getting 2,000, thats somewhat more impressive, but in the context of the primary, these moments can make a difference in terms of how the course of the narrative unfolds. And he needs this momentum. Polls showing hes behind in new york state. Its a state he has to win. Thats the question is where does the moment lead to . Were still the same position we were in before this rally happened. Yeah it looks great for him. Clearly he can get the huge crowds. Of course now he doesnt have to pull out. He keeps making that argument, we keep winning, were not going to pull out but the reality is the numbers are stacked against him. If you can just keep the emphasis on that side no, youre right, if you dont translate it to votes and barack obama translated it to\rvotes. He had fewer people in his crowd in 2007 september, 2007, huge crowd, same place. Last night we heard him for the first time acknowledge that this was going to be a tough primary for him. He was up there on that stage and said we know this is going to be hard, partly because of the way the primary is structured, independents cant vote, people didnt switch their registration in time. But i think there is a sense from the campaign and, john, i think youve picked up on some of this, too, that if they cant come out of new york with a win, they have to start to reckon with how and if theyre going to close this. Remember, the key thing here is that if Bernie Sanders<\/a> wins this primary by a point or two it will actually it will hurt him in the sense that in order to get to a majority of delegates, he needs to win these primaries by large margins. If he wins by two points, it will be a psychic victory, it will be a huge momentum boost but it wont get him net\rdelegates and hes 200 some odd delegates behind in the pledged delegate count. If he doesnt make up that ground, it doesnt help to win here by 1 or 2 or 3 percentage points, hes got to win by 10. It doesnt help in the math but talk about the intangibles, beating Hillary Clinton<\/a> in her home state, that would run his winning streak up to what . Eight, nine . And speaking of the intangib intangibles, theres one intangible thats mystifying to me viewing it from a distance. You two have viewed it up close. The new york feel. Who has a better sense of it . Does bernie born in brooklyn or hilly who has represented new york . The crowd last night was spectacular, i dont think it was the essence of new york. It was largely young, very enthusiastic and good for bernie but who has a better sense of the state . Well, i think she has had \rif you look at the period of time of the week where theyve been here now in the state campaigning, she has shown a better feel for the totality of new york, for the media dynamic. Shes won more news cycles than he has. It makes sense. Although hes from brooklyn, hes been a vermont politician his entire career. She, although shes not won here in a decade, she still has won statewide here twice, once resoundingly back in 2006. I think she gets a little bit she gets this state a little better in terms of how you win the day, the roughandtumble. Shes a little stronger than he is. She can still bank on her 2006 experience of how much time she had to spend upstate. She spent a lot of time on that listening tour. And she campaigned against obama here and beat him soundly. Shes done this state a lot. And just for the record, welcome to morning joe. [ laughter ] oh, wait, thats why were here. Whos here today . Kmee mika is in the south of france checking her second house out in nice. She has two houses in nice. Is she going to take barnicles pickup truck to nice . Shes got the city place and the Country Place<\/a> in nice. It takes a lot of time up. It does. All of the people that work for those two houses, its pretty hard. Mike barnicle, who is he . Guys is he legendary or what . Legendary columnist in. Kasie hunt with us, john hielman and katty kay with the news. Katty . Shall we get to the latest on what is happening . Nonbernie news. Bernie was definitely the lead. Bernie was the lead but donald trump has added veteran operatives to catch up to ted cruz who has outorganized the businessman in the delegate race so far. Trump announced the hiring of rick wily, the former Campaign Manager<\/a> for scott walker who served as the rncs political director. Wileys position is seen as strengthening the hand of Paul Manafort<\/a> as trump protests the rnc process. In colorado right now, theyre picketing and going wild because the bosses and the establishment and the people that should havent this power took all of the power away from the voters. So the voters never got to vote and voters didnt know that except when i got and complained because they did it after i joined the race and they figured id probably win colorado, which i would, i would win colorado. And we have delegates that go in, they dont take them and they take these others so they get the delegates without vogt. Im just saying the system is a corrupt system. Its a rigged system. Weve got to change it. And yesterday rnc chair Reince Priebus<\/a> who trump accused\rof knowing the process was being rigged against him said he didnt take these barbs personally. I have to respond, though, if the party of which im the chairman of is getting attacked, especially when its not true. I know people get frustrated and theyre disappointed when things dont go go exactly the right way. I think when people are trust rated and upset they say things they regret but certainly one thing thats strew that the rules are not being changed in order to injure or benefit anybody. Late last night, trump wrote on twitter this as the head of colorados Republican Party<\/a> says he and his family are receiving death threats, joe. Nice. Yeah. A lot about colorado. John heilemann, though, i dont think its the numbers in colorado that matter to trump. This is a perfect vehicle for him to say the system is rigged and he says that to his voters in new york state, new jersey, pennsylvania, california, all the people who believe the system is rigged and are voting for trump because of that are reinforced. On the merits the argue system wrong in the sense that the rules were not changed to benefit anybody in particular. I think Reince Priebus<\/a> is wright. To the extent the rule changes took place a year ago, Trumps Campaign<\/a> has failed to reckon with those things. Isnt it strange, though, that a state awards delegates and they dont let their people vote . Well, yeah. Yeah there are a ton of strange anomalies. Im just saying generally. If im a republican in colorado and thinking id like to have a say on who wins the nomination. If i were a republican in colorado i would not like that system. But, again, the system was not changed in order to disadvantage trump. On the merits its not a strong argument. Politically its a very strong argument. It taps into the sense that the populist energy for people who think there is an establishment out to screw them and screw him, that plays right to it. Hes picked up another republican insider. Hes got people if there from a lot of different hes got people from scott walkers campaign, hes got people from ben carsons campaign, hes got manafort running it all along with Corey Lewandowski<\/a>, hes going a bit more mainstream, isnt he . I think hes recognized that although hes railing against the system in public he understands that in order to win the nomination he has to play that game and he needs people who know how to play that game. Whether its the convention itself or the runup to the convention, he needs to compete with the people playing the game very well in terms of the delegate Selection Process<\/a> around the country. And discipline in the way he has over the past week or two. You havent seen the twitter screeds, he sat down with megyn kelly. That moment, having his family there and even his family saying weve told him he has to discipline himself. And you say the cnn town hall meeting with the family i didnt see it but you said compelling tv. It was donald trump playing the part of robert young in the old father knows best tv series. He wasnt loud, he wasnt boisterous, he was compellingly cooperative. He gave most of the time to his family. He was often quiet. There are long stretches that he said nothing. No one said anything ground\rbreaking, it was fairly straightforwa straightforward, pro trump. But its a compelling testament to have his children are such articulate spokespeople on his behalf. I dont know if any of you saw the cruz town hall last night because i would sail the same about the hour they spent with cruz and the two young daughters last night, that was also very they looked like particularly when they brought the daughters up they looked like a normal real family. Ive known donald for 10 years or so, people will say whats he like . I say hes not like that guy you see on tv. And i always tell the story, one of the things i think is the most compelling is the way he acts when the cameras arent on him and i remember at one point commenting about his children, what Great Children<\/a> he had. I said a lot of people that have money, their kids are just jerks. I said i dont know donald, a lot of people say a lot of stuff about you but the one thing i will say is that i judge a person many times by their\rchildren and what donald said with nobody looking is, he said dont give me any credit for that, ivana is extraordinary. Its their mother. What an incredible woman, she made them who they are and then she handed them off to me fully formed and great and said its your turn and he just said im cky, he said they are incredible kids. That five years ago when nobody was looking is probably what some of everybody saw the other night, the side of donald trump that unfortunately he does not show enough. It hasnt come out very much in this campaign. They did a People Magazine<\/a> spread he and melania at home. That was a print interview but he talked what about family means to him and even if you listen around the edges hell say i want to go home and spend some time at home with my family. Its very clear thats important to him. But i think that gets missed quite a bit and the cnn town hall where you got a chance to see it and where he was it\rwas remark to believe see him physically sit back in his chair and just watch his family speak on his behalf. I hadnt the one thing hes been a disciplinarian about is drinks and drugs and he apparently says to them every morning when they were growing up, no alcohol, no drugs, you just dont do it. I did want to ask the kids, so have you . Did you . Hes saying ive never had a glass of alcohol in my life and ivanka saying i used to roll my eyes at dad but that was the message but that comes from his brother who struggled with alcoholism mightily. So ted cruz, you were talking about ted cruz. I guess he held a rally in erie, pennsylvania, then his family came back to new york where he discussed a possible contested convention in cleveland and talked about potential vp picks. If trump emerges with more votes in the popular vote but at the convention in a second round you get the delegates, you get the nomination, will the will of the people be subverted . Thats what trump is saying. Its a ludicrous argument. Theres one way and only one way you earn the republican nomination, that is you earn the votes with a majority of the delegates elected by the people. Going back to 1860 that has been consistently for more than a century how the Republican Party<\/a> has picked our nominee. Could you see a cruz rubio ticket . Look, anyone would naturally look at marco as one of the people who would be a terrific foreign consider for vp and were in the process now of considering a number of different options. Youre not ruling it out . He would be someone that you would be a fool not to look at seriously. Is hes very, very talented. Hes in the process now of considering a number of options. I want to be on the record on this. Im not ruling out the prospect of putting mike on the ticket. Why is it so convoluted this delegates Selection Process<\/a> . Is it more convoluted than the\rdemocratic process . Well, the democratic process has super delegates and which a lot of people think is worse. I cant give you a straightforward answer as to why. Both parties have their quirks. The Republican Party<\/a> has quirks that are more on a statebystate level and the Democratic Party<\/a> has a large quirk with the super delegates. For many people its nuts. Caucuses are quirky, right . There are a lot of people who think caucuses are not as democratic as they should be. Both parties have oddities. I read a couple articles yesterday that said cruz could stop trump on the second ballot. Question is, can cruz get to 1237 . Before the first ballot . Are there 1237 delegates that would support him . Someones done an analysis in the last 24 hours that suggest theres at least 150 Trump Delegates<\/a> currently who have made it clear they will turn\ragainst trump at the first ballot and many of those people presumably will be open to cruz. Part of whats going on around the country is that the cruz people are trying to get dwheegs are pledged to trump in the first ballot to switch to cruz in the second. I know cruz may be able to stop him. I just find it hard to believe there will be 1237 delegates and they say yeah, this is the guy who can beat Hillary Clinton<\/a>. Are the rules that whatever ballot counting we are, whoever is the nominee, has to get 1237. So whatever its yes. So he would have to. Hes not the nominee unless he gets 1237. And thats what im saying, i dont think he can get there. I think trump will get 1237 before on the first ballot but if he doesnt i find it hard to believe people will go oh, great, now we have a chance to give it to ted cruz. Thats what i was going say. Thats been the problem of the Republican Party<\/a> all the away long with donald trump. They want to stop him but they cant figure out how the get on\rthe same side to the same person to the point where they can get to this. Thats where i think ted cruzs own failings, likability issues, problems with Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and others in the Republican Party<\/a> come into play. Is the stop Trump Movement<\/a> a procruz movement . Weve been moving in that direction but were not there yet. Cruzs supporters really like cruz in a way that rubio supporters never seemed that enthusiastic about rubio. People who voted for Cruz Campaign<\/a>ed for him, are very committed. Theres a level of enthusiasm about his campaign you havent seen necessarily from the other candidates. The first big question is how many delegates cruz has going into the convention. Most people assume if trump doesnt get to 1237, the secondmost delegates will be held by cruz. So the question is how many does cruz need to convert and what happens in the second ballot to the people pledged on the first ballot to rubio, to kasich, to jeb bush, to chris christie, to any of those guys who accumulated a small number of delegates and then theyre all there are some delegates who can switch on the second\rballot and some who cant until the third. So there are different rules in terms of when youre not bound anymore for different sets of delegates. So the further on he goes the more likely he is to pick people up. Heres the big question, how long are we going to be in cleveland in july. [ laughter ] dont say july, mike, it could be august. Who knows . I mean if trump doesnt get in on the first ballot i just let me put it this way, if its not trump i think it will be a long time. Now, i will say when he was having his really rough stretch a couple of weeks ago i was of the opinion that if he was one short they werent going to give it to him. Now hes brought in the professionals. Hes staying out of the headlines, not doing every single show. Good story out of new york. Great story out of new york, great story out of connecticut, great story out of pennsylvania most likely. Hes doing all these massive states in the northeast and everybodys saying but look at\rindiana, he may lose indiana by one and a half points and thiss going to change the no, i dont think so. I think hes going to have great momentum and it will be harder and harder for the Republican Party<\/a> to stop him if hes win 100 points. I think right now. I didnt feel that way a couple weeks ago. The party seems to go up and down on how determined they are to stop him and technically if we go into cleveland with donald trump not being able to restrain himself as you just said he had to do a couple of minutes ago and he said things that but hes doing it right now. He is restraining himself. He doesnt always have a great track record of consistency on that level. But kasie there has been a change over the past week or so, especially since manaforts been in there. I think it was first sunday in five month he is didnt do sunday shows. Hes got manafort out front in said the of himself and i\rthink you have even to go back to that town hall i dont feel like ive ever seen donald trump step back or out of any situation. Hes always leaning in. Any time theres a problem criticism, any controversy, hes always pushing forward, pushing forward. And if anything weve seen him leaning back, probably for his to the good of his ultimate Campaign Strategy<\/a> here. John heilemann, how do you feel on this point . If donald trump is one delegate short, does the Republican Party<\/a> keep it from him . I think the people around donald trump really, really, really want to get to 1237 before the first ballot because they believe if he doesnt get to 1237 on the first ballot that he will almost certainly not get the nomination. We shall see. Theres an incredible laserlike focus now within that group to try to make sure they win on the first ballot. So they believe 13wg 00 short would mean contested . They certainly believe if hes 100 short he wont get the\rnomination. But i think if hes five or six short the odds go down dramatically. Well, thats the way to think. Certainly the way to plan it. Very good. Kasie hunt, thank you so much. Thank you. Greatly appreciate it. Coming up on morning joe, we have senator Claire Mccaskell<\/a> and also senator jane sanders to talk about her husbands campaign and well ask her about that incredible night last night. First, heres bill karins with a check on the forecast. Joe, you guys deserve a beautiful weekend, especially after the last one that was cold. Theres great stuff moving across the country. Before i get to that, let me show you these epic hail pictures from texas. The back of the state trooper car. Thats like baseballs falling from the sky. This was just north of the san antonio area. They werent alone. Many vehicles were damaged throughout the region. Worst weather again this morning down by the new orleans along i10. This area got hit yesterday with heavy rain, were doing it all over again. Maybe about one to two inches of rain throughout this area in new orleans and then this afternoon\rpanama city to jacksonville. As far as the forecast goes, beautiful stuff. Minneapolis today at 74 is incredible and this is the type of warming that move through to the east. Chicago near 70 on friday and by the time we get to the weekend well be about 15 to 20, even Northern New England<\/a> gets into the mix and finally new england by the time we get to sunday so spring fever has finally arrived for many areas in the northern half of the country. Washington, d. C. Included. A chilly morning. Youre in for a beautiful stretch of weather through weekend. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. 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Everyone knows my relationship to pennsylvania and its a special relationship. I went to school in this state, we know that, right . This is the town of the Pittsburgh Steelers<\/a> which we love, we do love the Pittsburgh Steelers<\/a>. Its steel city and when im president , guess what . Steel is coming back to pittsburgh and a lot of other things are coming back. Hows joe paterno . Are we going to bring that back . How about that whole how about that whole deal . And we do love penn state. Do we love penn state, in all fairness . All right, joining the table right now we have former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst Steve Rattner<\/a>. Im curious, did he bring up joe paterno . Ted cruz did in pennsylvania yesterday. Trump just did. I think he was mimicking what trump did initially saying are you bringing him back and there was a little and then the Campaign Said<\/a> he was referring to the statue but the audience thought maybe he didnt realize that paterno died. It was a little bit i stayed away from that. Kind of an obvious one. Yeah, come on, thats not really anyway, so we have Steve Rattner<\/a> here. Steve, were going to talk about this in a second but you had yesterday the mostread article\rin the New York Times<\/a> and you were talking about republicans being to blame for the rise of trump. They can curse him all they want but you say in large part its their own economic poll shows that have created Donald Trumps<\/a> success. I made a fairly simple argument which is that i think if the republicans in congress particularly had not blocked every piece of legislation that obama put forward to try to improve the state of average americans, things like wage insurance expansion of the earned income tax credit, the same trump base that is now his base would be sbomewhat better economically, perhaps economically, perhaps not in the trump camp. A lot of the fixes you listed seem like more band aids, shortterm fixes to take care of the damage thats already been done. I think obviously infrastructure\rwhen youre talking about infrastructure bank, i think thats an exception. I think infrastructure creates jobs, creates more jobs, creates more jobs but if you could make a suggestion to the rain paepub party moving forward, knowing theyre Market Driven<\/a> small government type what is would be the one thing that you would recommend the Republican Party<\/a> adopt to reach out to working class americans that now feel desert bid the paul ryan wing of the party. Theres a longterm category and shortterm category. All the people say about education and training and things like that are important but thats a generational change. You wont take some 55yearold guy and make him into a software programmer. So i think you have to do the long term stuff for a generation and you have to think about the shorter term things like payroll tax cuts . Payroll tax cuts or wage insurance, where if you lose your job and take a lowerpaying one the government gives you up to 10,000, or half of your\rearnings, which ever is less, for two years to help cushion the blow. If some of these people had seen something coming from the government toward them, some sign, some symbol that the government was trying to help them maybe theyd be less angry, maybe theyd be more rational, maybe theyd be in kasichs camp. Thats the New York Times<\/a> piece. Banks and wall street are going to be a key part of the topics covered at tonights democratic debate. Steve rattner has charts on whether or not the banks are getting bigger and the influence that wall street pay will have on this election. Steve, what have you got there . The last time i discussed this joe and i almost came to blows. No we didnt you always say that we had a spirited discussion. So i wanted to give him equal time. I just responded to what you were saying. In any event, banks will be on the agenda and youll hear confusing stuff about whether banks are getting bigger, not getting bigger. So i want to try to lay out why\rthey are or arent getting bigger and talk about wall street pay. So if you look at this and i say joe and bernie, big banks are getting bigger, a slot of it has to do with where you measure from. If you start from the beginning of the financial crisis, 2004, you can see here that the banks in fact a number of them are getting bigger by reasonable sizes. Except for citibank. But that is largely because these banks made large acquisitions. They bought washington mutual, they bought countrywide, they bought Merrill Lynch<\/a> so their assets grew. If you look at the banks from after these acquisitions happened and simply whats happened in the more recent time you see a much more modest picture. In fact, you see declines for most of the banks. A small increase for j. P. Morgan, bank of america smaller, citi smaller, wells fargo larger but thats a retail bank based on the west coast. So hillarys point would be the banks arent much bigger, the\rproblem is a different kind of problem, it needs a different kind of solution. Lets look at the last thing which theres not a lot of disagreement which is wall street pay. If you go back to 1982, the average wall street worker in new york got roughly twice, about 100,000, what the average worker in the private economy got in new york. If you look at it today even after the financial crisis, 400,000 versus 72,000, the average wall street worker is getting six times. So from two times to six times over this 30year period. Even at the time of occupy wall street in 2011 the average private sector worker was getting the average wall street worker was getting five times what a private sector worker is getting so there is a basis behind this anger toward wall street, the sense that wall street is winning and everybody else is losing. Mike . Lets go back to the big banks and bernies popular theme hes been carrying on for years. What has happened to the Smaller Banks<\/a> that Bernie Sanders<\/a> favors . The Community Banks<\/a> . The things he says would be a vital part of rebuilding localized america . Up dramatically. If you look at the banks, over 500 billion of assets, they declined by about 2 . They 24r0st of their assets. If you look at everybody else below that youll see increases of 25 , 30 35 . All the growth in the Banking System<\/a> has gone to these smaller and middle sized banks, the ones he wants to help. Very good. 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Only with xfinity. Time now for mustread opeds. Amazingly, down in the south of france, they have the Washington Post<\/a>. Its the only thing anyone is reading right near morning. Seriously . Taking the place by storm. Both the town and country. And here is what joe writes. The french love joe who writes in the Washington Post<\/a> \r katty, you can speak to this as well as anybody. Just how people look at this country. I mean, the 43rd president of the United States<\/a> said he was going to end tyranny across the globe and instead he got us engaged in so many military operations that it will be complicating our Foreign Policy<\/a> for decades to come. This president was so afraid to be the last president that his geostrategic guiding principle is dont do stupid stuff. Now weve got people in are saying, you know, bomb our enemies until the sand glows, enact muslim bans and you can just go down the list. We are not seeing a serious, thoughtful player on the planet anymore, are we . And you make those points in oped and youre quite right, joe. They reflect a confusion in america itself about what its role in the world should be. Its almost like a reassessment\rof exceptionalism going don. Does it want to be the world leader or does it want to retrench . Were hearing a lot of that on the campaign trail after 13 years in the middle east, americans understandably feel their activities abroad havent gone so well. But whats happened abroad is that you went from bush where the world looked at america and there was a huge risen antiamericanism, and antibushism, the world was not happy with what they saw in the United States<\/a> and the president. They fell in love with barack obama and you have still that affection for obama in Public Opinion<\/a> around the world. But amongst leaders around the world you have a lot of disquiet about whether this president has led enough at a time when the world needs leadership. Ive never known a time of as many crises abroad and the World Leaders<\/a> are asking where is the United States<\/a> . Where is the indispensable power. And what i was saying the other night, nobody said anything, but you had bob gates sitting next to dr. Brzezinski\rsitting next to john warner sitting next to Brent Scowcroft<\/a> and without anybody saying anything from in the talks, everybody was just talking around the table, chattering around the table. Whats happened to this country . Who are going to replace these men . Who are the Foreign Policy<\/a> giants of our age . There arent any. I would argue john kerry is a pretty experienced secretary of state but what i would say is you layer on top of that the fact that were in an Election Year<\/a> so were kind of paralyzed in from that standpoint. When i go overseas all people want to understand is how does it work in america, how does donald trump happen, how do these people happen . And theres a complete preoccupation with our election and what will come out of it. Theres also secretary kerry has given voice around the world to what america presents but bono was on the other morning and what he was talking about is an element plays a part in this. When america disappears from part of the world stage, it creates a vacuum and nothing good comes into that vacuum. But america is more than just fighting in iraq or fighting isis. America is a force for good throughout the world. Bono pointed to that in his appearance the other day. Especially the American Military<\/a>. The American Military<\/a> is one of the most powerful voices for an effective america throughout the world and not just fighting. Well, you know, ive been hearing and im sure everybody around this table has been hearing from foreign leaders and diplomats since 2009 2010 that barack obama thinks he can go somewhere, deliver a speech, come back home and hes done his job. That he thinks that thats actually the ends instead of the means to the end and you are right, hes popular among a lot of people across the globe but among leaders and this hasnt just happened in the past year or two theres been frustration. Syria and the red line was the big turning point for\reuropean allies. Coming up next, Hillary Clinton<\/a> may be running for president but she had a different title yesterday. Reverend Hillary Clinton<\/a> all right, before the democrats debate in brooklyn, theyre stopping by the National Action<\/a> network. Reverend al sharpton is here. He is, of course, going to indoctrinate me this morning as a reverend as well. Im from the south, im baptist hey. Not a great one but close enough. Hes marking his organizations 25th anniversary. 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Microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cybercrime. We use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. When it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. Were building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer. If were going ask africanamericans to vote for us, we can not take you or your vote for granted. [ applause ] we cant just show up at election time and say the right things and think thats enough. We cant Start Building<\/a> relationships a few weeks before a vote. We have to demonstrate a sustained commitment to building opportunity, creating prosperity, and righting wrongs, not just every two or four ye s years, not just what the cameras are on and people a watching but every single day. That was Hillary Clinton<\/a> making her case to africanamerican voters yesterday at the National Action<\/a> networks 25th annual convention. Joining us now, the host of msnbcs politics nation and president of that network, reverend al sharpton. You were there with her and you inaugurated gave her a different title, al. Well, what happened was at the end of her speech she quoted the bible and she did it very well so i was teasing saying reverend Hillary Clinton<\/a>, i didnt introduce her that way. That was on her way out. Bernie sanders is speaking today. Well see how well he does with scripture at the end of his speech. What verse did she quote . She quoted be not weary in\rwell doing. And it was the end of a long policy speech because were very clear we want to hear concrete how are you going to get there but she knows a lot of National Action<\/a> network are ministers and come out of the Martin Luther<\/a> king tradition of ministries and she quoted the bible. So theres a rising fear among black americans that democrats are just taking them for granted. That theyre going to line up and vote for the democratic candidate no matter what. Do you feel that Hillary Clinton<\/a> will be different . I think she needs to make that case. She has people all over the country, these are people that move voters. She has to make that case because not only does she have to get a huge portion of the black vote, its the turnout. The problem is not 90 of the black vote, its 90 of what black vote. And i think that that is whats going to be critical in november if shes the nominee or sanders. The problem on the sanders side that he has to make a case this moshing is the best hes done with the black vote in the primaries is 30 . So hes resonating. Huge crowd in Greenwich Village<\/a> but not so in harlem on sunday. They have to make a case on what is the reason i need to be standing in line if it comes to that. So shes been campaigning now for two years and you dont feel shes yet made that case . No, i think shes made the case clearly in terms of the primaries the question is does she have turnout . I dont feel that yet. I think shes getting there. Bernie sanders has to make that case as well. There must be excitement. This is a peculiar place weve never been in American History<\/a> for black america and white america. Weve never been where were going to see which white will replace a black president so this is a sensitive election that i think most of the media is missing. Were say, wait a minute, barack obama and that family is leaving whos moving in and why should i enthusiastically come out . The 94 crime bill plays a big role in this campaign. It didnt begin the age of mass incarceration, it began well before 1994, but what do you want to see a president , the next president of the United States<\/a>, do to implement things that were not the 1994 crime bill. How were going to repair the damage that was done, whether it was intended or not, in terms of those families that were broken up, commuting sentences and a policy going forward. Do you blame bill clinton for that . Theres a big we i was against it then. The other night on rauch ls show steves show, we talked about the bill but i thought it would lead to what it did. Should bill clinton apologize . Its not about apology, its about hes already said it went too far. Now the question is what would clinton or sanders do to rectify . How do you correct it . Eric holder and Loretta Lynch<\/a> have said to their u. S. Attorneys that you cannot ask for these stiff sentences for nonViolent Crime<\/a>. That we need to commute sentence, which barack obama as president has done. Rectify. He said at a Convention Last<\/a> year, bill clinton, it did go today. If he got up today at National Action<\/a> network and said im sorry, that doesnt rectify anything. We need to really turn around the impact and what its done to two generations of africanamericans. Reverend al, congratulations\ron 25 years. Thank you. 25 more to come. Thank you very much. And i want you to know, Joe Scarborough<\/a> spoke at National Action<\/a> network in those 25 years, before hillary showed up. And when i finished, all the people said amen. Amen, brother. I dont know what was wrong with them that year. [ laughter ] they didnt invite a lot of us back. They came to scarborough country. Coming up, donald trump says hes not the first republican to be trailing the democrat in headtohead polls. Jimmy carter wanted to run against Ronald Reagan<\/a>. He said, oh, please, let reagan win and he was so far behind reagan and by the time the election took place it was a big victory, an easy victory for reagan. Thats what happens. Thats what happens. Because you aim your fire at that person. 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The Golden State Warriors<\/a> an incredible club with an incredible shooter and kobe bryant closing out his career put 60 up last night. They gave him the ball at every opportunity. I think kobe scored 60 because he was furious that espn didnt feature his game on espn. He was on espn 2 so he said ill show them. Shot 50 times. So end of a remarkable era for kobe bryant. It was cute afterwards he said usually in the games theyre all saying pass the ball, pass the ball. Last night they were saying dont pass it, keep it. Good morning, its wednesday april 14, mika has the day off. With me on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay, former treasury official Steve Rattner<\/a>, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National<\/a> committee Michael Steele<\/a> and managing editor of Bloomberg Politics<\/a> John Heilemann<\/a>. Katty, big night in new york city last night. Yeah. There was a huge crowd. If you tried to move downtown, you were not getting anywhere. It was gridlock down there. Bernie sanders drew a massive crowd last night. In downtown manhattan. The Campaign Says<\/a> over 27,000 people gathered in Washington Square<\/a> park to watch the senator speak, thats 3,000 more than barack obama drew back in 2007. Meanwhile, with recent polls show him trailing Hillary Clinton<\/a> by double digits in the state, senator sanders used familiar lines of attack against his opponent, hitting clinton on everything from her super pac money to trade to her iraq war vote to her paid speeches on wall street. I think if somebody gets paid 225,000 for a speech, it must be an unbelievably extraordinary speech it must be a speech written in shakespearean prose. And i kind of think if that\r 225,000 speech was so extraordinary, she should release the transcripts and share it with all of us. [ cheers and applause ] jane and i left new york city when we were kids. It is great to be back thank you [ cheers and applause ] i dont think that there is any doubt but that our Campaign Today<\/a> has the momentum. [ cheers and applause ] we have won seven out of the last eight caucuses and primaries. [ cheers and applause ] and when i look at an unbelievable crowd like this, i believe were going to win here in new york next tuesday. 27,000 people. Yeah, look, 27,000 people. Makes you proud to be a democrat. Makes you proud to be a democrat. I think Hillary Clinton<\/a> should release her transcripts and what else do you want to talk about . Well, i think dont agree with me, fine. As we head into the New York Primary<\/a> which Bernie Sanders<\/a> probably wont win and he will then have to start asking questions about how and when he wraps up this campaign, its\rworth taking a moment to look at those images from last night and the fact that he has got 27,000 people and none of us sitting around this table a year ago would have predicted anything like that. It took us all by surprise. Its sustained, too. There have been people like our friend howard dean that had a remarkable 2003, remarkable leadup, great event in bryant park in the summer but it didnt sustain. The fact that bern think is sustaining and is getting stronger, hes won seven out of the last eight, the money hes raised is incredible. The crowds are getting bigger. When we talk about its over, hillary will win it, it sure doesnt look that way. I understand. The money hes raised. All he has to do is say berniesanders. Com and he gets a couple million dollars. But John Heilemann<\/a>, you pointed out last hour there were remote. When you listen to senator sanders as he spoke last night, hes got to be think iing about just keep going. Psychology, mike, you say Bernie Sanders<\/a> or any candidate whos deep into a nomination fight, you would say this about Hillary Clinton<\/a> in 2008, you say the math is against you, theres no way for you to getthere, you have to be realistic then youre the candidate, you walk on stage in front of 27,000 people in manhattan or in front of 12,000 people in kansas city or 20,000 people in portland, oregon and it happens with Bernie Sanders<\/a> day after day. This is not like this is an unusually large crowd, its an unusually heavily covered event. But Bernie Sanders<\/a> day after day turns out thousands of people\rand its hard for a human being who sees that kind of reinforcement of his message to say, acknowledge, the reality, the math, the logic of dropping out. That he looks at that and says my message is resonating and ill stick through to the end. I have the money, i have this momentum, i keep winning contests, dont tell me to stop and dont talk to me about math. Whats interesting is the fact that all those things are happening. Hes having these huge rallies. Hes raising this immense amount of money but at the moment it appears hes going to lose new yor york. Until when you like the polls you say look at these polls. I remember the michigan polls that showed hillary was going to win. And one thing that they are voting by changing okay,\rthere was other news, too. New reports say Donald Trumps<\/a> Campaign Manager<\/a> wont be prosecuted for an incident with a reporter last month. Politico was the first to report citing sources a florida prosecutor wont pursue a case against Corey Lewandowski<\/a> who was charged with simple battery. Former Breitbart News<\/a> reporter Michelle Fields<\/a> filed a Police Report<\/a> for aggressively moving her out of trumps way. The Trump Campaign<\/a> has not commented and last night fields tweeted one source close to fields says reports of her considering a defamation suit against lewandowski are not farfetched and its something she is considering. Lets just you know what . Lets just have corey apologize and be done with it. Move on. I mean come on, a couple weeks ago michael there were so many people on the right especially that and i said this a couple weeks ago, they were studying the footage like it was the zapruder film. It was absolute insanity and absolute overreach. Theres always an overreach. Corey just needs to apologize and just needs to be put behind us. I think with manafort at the h helm, Something Like<\/a> that is more likely to happen. You can see the tenor and tone of the Trump Campaign<\/a> is turning. We were talking about this before. Have you seen what certainly i seem to have noticed over the\rpast week a new discipline, a new focus. We talked about it on this set after the blowup with the wife and scandal with corey and all of that and the big loss in wisconsin that there needed to be a reset and i think the campaign has failured out we have to do a reset and theyre doing it. Youre seeing in the the discipline of donald trump and how hes doing interview, fewer interviews. The tone of the campaign has changing, the approach to the public is changing. Think it wont surprise any of us in a couple days to see corey apologize, privately, quietly, but still apologize. Lets bring in nbc news correspondent Haley Jackson<\/a> in buffalo following the Cruz Campaign<\/a>. What did the cruz family, hallie, make on cnn. It made them look like a real family. That was such a special moment and it stole the show when you saw caroline and catherine come out with the rest\rof the family. It got a ton of buzz on line. We see the kids, we see the girls a lot on the campaign trail, theyre often with their parnes doing these apparents so for cruz its a matter of getting out there, showing his softer side. Its not so much a reset for his campaign, weve seen the family out there, but when you talk about donald Trumps Campaign<\/a> you look at whats happened with lewandowski. I had one republican operative say to me this is a Campaign Like<\/a> no other given that youre seeing the frub ing thing the Campaign Manager<\/a> under investigation. Then you see the shakeups, the hiring of Paul Manafort<\/a> and scott wiley. Walker backing cruz and saying to us a couple weeks ago hes not interested in being the white night, swooping in and helping out the party. The issue for trump, of course, his critics would say, is he is late to the game with manafort coming on board. I can tell you this, we have learned that the cruz camp in early june started talking about\rdelegate strategy not in the context of trump but in the idea of taking on possibly jeb bush, scott walker or marco rubio at that time a potential contested convention. It was revisited again at a progress meeting in december so this is something thats been on the minds of the cruz camp for months, since a few months after cruz started his campaign, trump now beginning to work on this is a sign that he has ground to make up. You talk about his shift in strategy, hes been talking about policy. We havent seen him come out and deliver a policy speech since this started happening. Guys . Lets see if manafort makes that happen. Hallie jackson, thanks very much. With just days to go before the New York Primary<\/a>, ted cruz launched a radio ad targeting bill de blasio and heres part of it. Nypd commissioner bill bratton responded to the ad tweeting the Cruz Campaign<\/a> has edited the radio ad after questions over accuracy. The ad originally claimed murder is up nearly 10 , thats been changed to say murders are now up. Michael steele, what do you think . I think its really . I mean, if you elect me president the mayor is done . [ laughter ] all politics is local, man. When i ran for congress i ran against a property tax increase in one of the counties. You beat them where they are. And if you are a republican in new york city you dont like bill de blasio. You dont like bill de blasio, but i dont know if thats going to translate into a just warm fuzzy turnout for ted cruz in the New York Primary<\/a>. I dont get where again, if youre going to come into this space, you have to know how to play here. New york is not like any other city where you can throw up ads like that and think theyll resonate with people and theyll go oh, wow, that moves me to act. And i think that the cruz team has been off message from the very beginning of their soiree into new york city. You have to ask if he finishes in third place whether the smarter move might just have been to skip new york state. Apologize. Or dont even apologize. I think if ted cruz had landed the plane and come in here and said let me begin the conversation by saying i got you wrong, i was wrong about the folks here when i questioned your values and im here first off to say before we do any campaigning, before we get into any of, that im sorry. When was the last time you heard a candidate say Something Like<\/a> that, michael . I know. Its worth a try hes booted off the new york values statement he made months ago. At the end of the day, ted cruz, everything he is, everything he stands for is not really a new york kind of guy. His wife works for goldman sachs. Its not like this is a foreign country to him. Goldman sachs in texas. But most people arent like the cities they go to. If youre not from new york, you come from someplace else. The idea is to appreciate the people youre meeting. Greet them, understand them where they are and a lot of what weve seen in this republican primary is that we take a blanket and apply it across the country and were assuming everybody is like we are in South Carolina<\/a> or North Carolina<\/a> or alabama and were not. America is very different. Republicans in the northeast versus the west versus the south versus the midwest and the party\rstill doesnt understand that. Thats the real problem. There was a shift in my region, the deep south. Republicans won new york in 72, won it in 80, won it in 84. Won new england. I mean they won maryland in 84. People forget. Republicans won connecticut and maine and probably New Hampshire<\/a>. But like in 72 and 76 and 80 and 84 and 88 and then there was this sort of shift southward. You said South Carolina<\/a>, lee atwater, the shift in the Republican Party<\/a> in 88 moved that way. So the face of the Republican Party<\/a> for people in new york and in the northeast and across new england have been lee atwater, karl rove, newt gingrich, tom delay. And now ted cruz. Thats why im saying, somebody like ted cruz comes up here, thats why people say you know what . Donald trump would be the worst thing that ever happened to kelly ayotte. No, no, no. Ted cruz would be the worst thing that ever happened to kelly ayotte in a general election because theres a reason why in 2008 there was not a single republican representing anybody in all of new england in congress and thats but ted cruz means kelly ayotte is a former United States<\/a> senator . Exactly. Ted cruz means bad news there, bad news in ohio for portman, bad news in wisconsin. Ted cruz at the top of the ticket means ron johnson is looking far new job. And Chuck Schumer<\/a> is majority leader. I cant say this enough. Its just a reality. You probably agree, or maybe you dont. Ted cruz is the worstcase scenario for senate candidates, even worse than donald trump. And i think that thats the great irony with everyone flocking behind him now because\rits a cynical support. They know they need to stop trump. Theres no way they ride that horse to the white house in november because theres no ground for it there and the party has a real problem if ted cruz is the nominee in that sens sense. If youre going to stop donald trump and you succeed, you better ask yourself first, whos going to help kelly ayotte, whos going to hebrl he johnson. Whos going to help save the United States<\/a> senate . Its a big challenge and the party isnt meeting it very well. Still ahead on morning joe, from the sanders president ial campaign, brooklyns own jane sanders. Well talk about that huge rally in new york city and what her husband will tell his supporters to do if he doesnt become the partys nominee. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. 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Trump, you wouldnt know new york values if they were written in 50foot gold letters on the side of the empire state building. [ cheers and applause ] i was born and raised in brooklyn. Bk, stand up, fight back, dont let anyone tear us down. We believe in the value of hard work. We believe in the value of equality. We believe in the value of a society where the American Dream<\/a>works for all, not just the 1 . Those are new york values. And the truth is, new york values are american values. There is no difference. [ cheers and applause ] you know, its amazing that he can he can sort of play with that brooklyn accent that way. You almost believe he came from here. He does a good one. Seriously. Because hes vermont, hes not from brooklyn, isnt he . He was born on a farm about 30 miles north of burlington, i think. Right up at the border. Right there, almost french canadian. With us now, the wife of democratic president ial candidate senator Bernie Sanders<\/a>, jane sanders. Shes a political advisor to the campaign and former president of Burlington College<\/a> in vermont so you must have met him when you went and visited his family farm. I did, of course. We milk it had cows. Can we change the google thing about how you both grew up in brooklyn down the street from one another. Well, not from about 15 blocks and if you live in brooklyn every block is a neighborhood. It actually is. Thats how you can tell you are a new yorker. So last night, holy cow. Unbelievable. 27,000. Let me just ask you that picture. As an observer, try to be a spectator. What was that like . It was fantastic. I mean, the feeling in the\rcrowd, it was i guess it was historic, that was the largest crowd ever in Washington Square<\/a> park so it was wonderful. When you see a crowd like that, when youre standing up there, we were talking about this earlier, its got to give you a feeling of, hey, were in this thing until the end, were not going anywhere. Yes, it does. It does. And i you know, having it be here in new york, its a Different Energy<\/a> and outside is always really nice. So we are in it until the end and i think you can see why. A lot of people are counting on him. Why are they counting on him . Why are they there . Why the historic turnout last night . Well, we always knew his ideas would resonate with the American People<\/a>. We had no idea with the fervor with which it would resonate. And i think its because they see that hes sincere, that he is dealing with the issues and talking about the issues that they care about. That theyve been worried about that. Have been on their minds. And coming up with solutions that they think can happen. Also, i think they really are looking forward to participating more in our democracy. I mean, people have been shut out for a long time. Most of the decisions rest in the hands in fewer and fewer hands, the political and economic decisions, you know, joe, youve been down in washington. Its much worse than it was before in terms of lobbyists and corporate control and i think people are ready to say enough is enough, we need to get we need to take our country back, we need to address the issues that we really care about. I also know politically, you dont need to take a lot of polls and have a lot of focus groups to figure out why people are there and what they need. A lot of times its when they grab your arm and say thank you for or can you do this . What do you hear more than anything this year when somebody has a second with you and grabs your arm and leans in and speaks to you . Thank you. Thank you for speaking for us. Thank you for taking the time, for representing us. Youre speaking to my heart. I mean, its working the rope line is just such an emotional thing. Youre meeting people that are so hopeful. You walk away humbled and feeling that we cant let them down. Thats almost always as we leave were thinking we have to we cant let them down. We have to address the things that they care about. We have to represent them. So given where you are at the moment, which is a bit behind secretary clinton in pledged delegates and weve all seen the polls in these next few states, how do you not let them down . How do you win this thing and get the nomination in the face of what appear to be somewhat long odds at the moment . I think momentum. Hes won eight out of the nine last contests and were hopeful here in new york. I know its a very tough thing, but the fact that were moving closer and closer everyday i\rthink should Say Something<\/a> to the media that this is real. This is a concern for the average american voter. How do we not let them down . We continue to give voice to the concerns about income inequality, about the lack of an affordable Higher Education<\/a> or housing that we want to hire minimum wage which were really thrilled that new york just did. And then just keep on going, give everybody the opportunity to vote for what they want. Make sure that the issues that were raising are addressed in the democratic platform and that bernie gets the nomination. We can do it with momentum. I think the pledged delegates are getting we cut them by a third last week. So if we keep on going with this momentum, we can cut them and\rcut them. I dont think anybody is going to get the amount of pledged delegates they need when we walk into the convention and if that happens then i would expect that people will be looking and saying whos the stronger candidate . And everybody poll shows that bernie is the stronger candidate against all the republicans and thats only going to get better. You dont think that Hillary Clinton<\/a> will have the number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination going into the convention . Going into the convention i think shell be just short and well hopefully be just short and i think then well have a discussion about what the best way to go . Because of the super delegates . If you take them off the table its a different race. They havent voted yet. And both establishments right now have their backs up against the wall relative to the process and youve commented on the process, particularly with the clinton charge that, you know, bernies trying to rig the system. Youve admitted, we knew what the rules were going in, unlike\rsome on my side who seem to forget the rules were there before him. Thats fine. You seem to admit that. You have a much more optimistic view point of this process in terms of the potentiality of going into this convention a lot closer. How does that play itself out particularly given what steve noted here, youre down in new york right now. The numbers may be close but youre still down. The races ahead of you are still tough races. Do you think a crowd like that 27,000 will translate into votes ultimately or is it just people just caught up in the momentum and the moment and that translation doesnt come . Weve seen every election in every state bernie is down and then he moves forward and overtakes secretary clinton. If you have the momentum and you keep on winning state, people cant not Pay Attention<\/a> and say this is the candidate that is moving us forward. The primary map wasnt good for\rus. You start in the southeast. The conservative south and so its hard to catch up when that happens. Plus he wasnt well known. So let me ask you about something weve been talking about on the show this week, the super delegates. I dont understand them. You look at a situation i mean, i do understand them, theyre meant to rig the system for the frontrunner. Theyre an insurance policy. If the Republican Party<\/a> has super delegates jeb bush would still be in the race. But how do you feel after you win a state like wyoming and you win it 56 44 . In politics thats called a landslide and you awalk away frm it with fewer delegates than the person you beat by 12 points. Is that a rigged system . Were getting used to it. But is that a rigged system for Party Insiders<\/a> . I dont know that i would call it a rigged system. I dont every state has its\rown rules. I think its crazy. Were running a national election, we should have sameday registration, open primaries and caucuses and allow the people to vote. We have a lot of those probably a lot of those people out there in the crowd hopefully a small number comparatively are not even able to vote in this election because they didnt change their registration to democrat last october when they hadnt even heard of Bernie Sanders<\/a>. We bringing more people into the party and the party is shutting the door on them. That seems counterproductive to the longterm goals. But i think were very hopeful. I guess what weve done is keep a very positive outlook and looking forward to changing the system. If he is the president and the head of the Democratic Party<\/a>, well be changing the system to make it more democratic. All right, jane sanders,\rthank you so much, congratulations. Thanks for having me. What a night. Tonight msnbc has exclusive backtoback town hall, Chris Matthews<\/a> will be sitting down with john kasich at 7 00 p. M. Followed by ted cruz and chuck todd at 8 00 p. M. Morning joe coming right back. Before earning enough cash back from bank of america to buy a new gym bag. Before earning 1 cash back everywhere, every time and 2 back at the grocery store. Even before he got 3 back on gas. Kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league. Because he loves to play hoops. Not jump through them. Thats the excitement of rewarding connections. Apply online or at a bank of america near you. Im terhe is. At golf. 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I saw a couple of the guys that i defeated soundly and theyre saying, but he wont do well in the general election. Well, they said i wouldnt do well in the primaries, too, you know . Same guys, he wont do well. Now, i havent even started on hillary and my numbers are better right now than ronald\rreagans numbers were with jimmy carter. [ cheers and applause ] Ronald Reagan<\/a>, who was great, he had a 30 favorability and he was behind jimmy carter by so much, everybody said oh, this is going to be a disaster. Welcome back to morning joe, with us, former special assistant to president reagan, james rosebush whos the longest serving chief of staff to first Lady Nancy Reagan<\/a> out with a new book true reagan, what made Ronald Reagan<\/a> great. Everybodys throwing Ronald Reagans<\/a> name around and some people throwing his name around probably voted against him or would have if they were old enough to at the time. Is who was true reagan . This is the book that tells the story reagan couldnt tell\rhimself about who he was. He was a man who was completely buttoned up, he was a gentleman of an earlier age. He identified more with the Founding Fathers<\/a> than the politicians of his era and their values and so he believed that his presidency was more about america than about Ronald Reagan<\/a>. You know, he left the white house the same man he came in as and he had that saying on his desk theres no limit to what a man can achieve if he doesnt care who gets the credit so he never talked about himself. He kept it all inside. This is the book that reveals that mystery. I hear so many people saying i want to be like reagan, of course a lot of politicians want to win massively like reagan won massively but they dont understand what made the man. He never would have been the pantheon of the top five president s of u. S. History the way he is today had he not the character, the fiber and the values and belief system he had. Talk about a man who wins 49\rstates Berkshire Hathaway<\/a> loved by millions and millions of americans, seen as one of the two greatest president s of the 20th century. But a man who the closer you get to him the more distant he seemed to get. Nancy reagan at one point even said even i didnt see all the parts of Ronald Reagan<\/a>. Talk about that. Its interesting. There was almost a part of his genius as well not to reveal himself. Had he gone to hollywood and into politics and revealed the nature of he spent a quarter of his lifetime really around his faith. He taught sunday school until he was 23 years old, never missed a sunday. Drove from his college Eureka College<\/a> to dick sxon, illinois, miles every sunday. Had he talked about his faith and foundational truths he believed in, he would have been marginalized in hollywood and in\rpolitics. So in a way it caused a big problem. You walk down the street today and you hear gee, i loved reagan, he took care of us, he was a strong president , i want reagan back and yet i dont understand the man. But we need to understand him in order to have more reagans. One of the chapters in your book is titled the global evangelist. Ronald reagan as the global evangelist. You talked about his faith. Weve had other president s including the incumbent president speak in cairo, speak in oslo with an evangelistic theme but reagans seemed to resonate more than current president s of the past two president s have. Do you think it was because of the time that he was speaking in . No, i think its because he was more engaged with his message. So theres another chapter in my book that says his believes were his arsenal and his words his weapons. So when he signed off from every speech in the oval office and he gave more than any other president , more major press\rconferences, talked to the American People<\/a> more when he said God Bless America<\/a> you actually felt reagan wanted god to bless america because it was a part of his character. I remember one day i said to nancy reagan, i want to photograph you, bring the press corps into the kitchen, the family kitchen upstairs in the family quarters, put an apron on you and photograph you in the kitchen, she said jim, that will never work. I said why not . Its a great idea. Sort of humanize you. She said because i never cook add kneel ed a meal in my life. [ laughter ] channel reagan for us for a moment watching this campaign and whats he making of it and looking at what trump has just said about his Favorability Ratings<\/a> is being better than reagans were and if you look at the unFavorability Ratings<\/a> trumps are much higher than reagans in 1980s. Where does he stand . Thats the question. Everyone asks me and they ask michael what would reagan do. In the few weeks before Nancy Reagans<\/a> passing i was sitting with her in the library of her house in belair and we just spent a couple of hours talking about this political season, disruptive, all the disunity, what was going to happen, the coarseness, the vulgarity of this campaign and she was, of course, very disturbed by it and i said what do you think the president would think about it . And we were sitting next to an octagonal table in her library and she was holding on fiercely to my hands the way you dont know who is going to let go first but then she did and she started patting the table and she said jim, this is the table where ronnie got his diagnosis from the doctors there from mayo clinic in 1994. And i said how did he take it . And she said oh, jim, characteristically, with optimism. And i thought, this really\rresonated with me and it cut know the quick because i thought well, would i see going on in the Political Landscape<\/a> and in the world which is so troubling and disruptive and our own Political Campaign<\/a>s i think Ronald Reagan<\/a> still felt even when he signed his letter to the American People<\/a> i still feel americas best days are ahead. Thats why people loved Ronald Reagan<\/a>. No doubt about it. He gave them home. James, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it. The book is true reagan. What made Ronald Reagan<\/a> great and why it matters. James rosebush, we greatly appreciate it. Coming up next, how nonconformists gave the world. Author adam grant explains why experience doesnt always equal creativity. Well look at that through a political lens coming up next on morning joe. Sure, we could have stacked these tires. Or put them on a rack. But the specialists at ford\rlike to show off their strengths 13 name brands. 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Give them three to six months ahead, here are a series of political and economic events that are binary, you can predict whether they are going to happen or not, so if we did this recently we could ask what is putin going to do in ukraine or whats going to happen to the euro and we make predictions and find out who is right, i want to vote for the person who does that best. Now, maybe they end up with all these teams that do it for them. Thats a great proxy for knowing who to listen to and those are the people i want to elect, too. I would rather see who can actually do the job, lets simulate what the job involves as opposed to saying lets do a gate. Our next guest suggests there is a better way to pick the next president. Joining us now is professor at the Wharton School<\/a> at the university of pennsylvania and psychologist adam grant, his latest book is originals how nonconformists move the world. When we have a Political Campaign<\/a> that seems driven to drive out any nonconformist, everyone has to be so careful about what to say can we get originals winning . I think we can, that is the appeal of trump and sanders right now. They dont follow the old rules of the Traditional Party<\/a> which appeals to a lot of young voters. We were talking offset about the problem with the way our academic system works now. The advantage we have over china, the advantage we have over a lot of other countries are steve jobs was right, we\rthink different. Were kind of crazy. Like steve jobs himself said the reason bill Gates Company<\/a> wasnt as good as his because he didnt drop acid. Were crazy. But it seems like were squeezing that out of our best and brightest in the admissions process to the best universities in the country. Yeah, i worry a lot about that. I think that we have so many tiger moms and lombardi dads who are encouraging their dads kids to specialize and focus on one thing. Practice does make perfect but it doesnt make new. You have all these kids who know who do things that have been done before but never have had to think for themselves. What ps to innovation and the pursuit of a 1600 sat score . If you try to innovate on the sat you are guaranteed to fail then good luck with College Admissions<\/a>. Youre asking kids to be prepared to fail, right, effectively because if you are going to try things that are different and creative and original failure is going to be part of that process as well and\rthese kids are up against kids from china and around the world who are getting the best schools anyone could ever have imagined in history, they are not failing. Im a fan of the Barry Schwartz<\/a> proposal to make College Admissions<\/a> a lottery. You have a bar for what you have to hit in grades and maybe test scores, too, but you dont set at the at the very top and its a random process at that way. There are admissions committees that think theyre selecting the right candidates but nobody ever knows. Ive been involved in College Admissions<\/a>, yes, they think theyre selecting the right candidates and they dont get it all right but i think they probably have a higher probability of success if you define success in conventional terms rather than a random process. I think the argument for it is if you take a step back and know there is going to be randomness that affects your outcome you wont try to create the perfect resume with no failure, you can take some risks and do things different from your peers and you are much more likely to have kids who arrive\rat college thinking for themselves as opposed to thinking how do i master the process. And they start thinking about that when or their parents do when theyre 7, 8, 9, 10. I remember starting my daughter at kindergarten here in new york city and all the parents were so intense. Insane. I had two older kids and i would walk up to them and go, dude, you have to relax, they are what they are and the best thing you can do is guide them. There is that intensity that so many kids go through from the beginning to end. Maybe the answer is you set aside we encourage diversity and should encourage diversity but how about setting aside 25 of admissions to schools not based on academic scores, not based on the sat but based on the very things that youre talking about. Im saying this because the future of our economy depends on encouraging the sort of creativity that dropouts like bill gates and steve jobs\rshowed. It does. And i would love to see george lucas had this proposal, he said, why dont we have creative portfolios adds part of the adssions process. You can make a movie, write a story, create some art and then you are expected to do something a little bit original. Wouldnt that be a great step . It really would. We were talking about china. I saw a study one time of Chinese Students<\/a> and they were asked whats the one thing you would like us to improve on and they said we would like to learn how to think like americans. Thats so interesting. Thats something that actually because of course they get the information, they jam the information into their students that seems that we are actually starting to copy that approach instead of embracing what has made us great for 240 years. Yeah, there is a great question institute thats trying to help teachers learn how to ask better questions in class and encourage students also to ask questions as opposed to just giving answers. I think thats a step in the\rright direction but we have a long way to go. All right. Thank you so much. The book is originals, adam grant, greatly appreciate it. You need to come back. Looking forward to it. Another iconic moment for the Sanders Campaign<\/a> last night, filling new yorks Washington Square<\/a> park with up to 27,000 supporters. 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Together we are going to create an economy that works for all of us, for the elderly, the children, the sick, the poor, the middle class and the working families of this country, not just the 1 . Just incredible. Bernie sanders last night in new\ryork city and bernie has added one more iconic moment to this campaign. I remember him standing on the back of the pickup truck in New Hampshire<\/a> with a microphone looking a lot like Bobby Kennedy<\/a>, a Bobby Kennedy<\/a> shot from 68 after his iowa win or tie or draw. And then the america ad and, mike, that last night. 27,000 in Washington Square<\/a>. Why would he get out . Drawing that kind of crowd, that kind of enthusiasm. Kasie hunt you were there last night. I was. This this is peak Bernie Sanders<\/a>. This is everything that weve been talking about for the last three months kind of all came together in one. You could see it even when he took the stage he was a little bit emotional and sort of took stepped back to really take it all in. I think hes you know, as hes had to fight the narrative\rthat he should get out and that Hillary Clinton<\/a> is going to be the Presumptive Democratic<\/a> nominee, i think this at the end of the day is what keeps him in this. Few rallies like this, jon mile ha heilemann, in modern american politics. It happens, but it happens rarely. In new york city in the top media market in the country, just an absolutely stunning some stunning shots come to mind. Theyre stunning visuals. A lot of campaigning about a lot of what campaigning in new york is about when you have a primary here is about making moments and the moment that really because this is the Media Capital<\/a> of the world, these images get captured, get broadcast and echo louder and longer than they do other places. In some way sanders going to places like topeka, kansas, places that kasie and i have been and he has been on a tuesday afternoon where he gets 10,000 or 12,000 people are in some ways more impressive but this is the image that gets cap\rturtd and in this primary these are the katty, he needs this momentum, the polls showing he is behind in new york state, its a state he has to win. Thats the question is where does the moment lead to, right . Right. We are still in the same position that we were in before this rally happened. Yeah, it looks great for him, yes, clearly he can get the huge crowds, of course now he doesnt have pull out and hes making that argument, we keep winning and having these crowds, we are not going to pull out but the numbers are stacked against him and she still looks like the presumptive nominee. If you can keep that british cynicism on that side of no, you are right. If you dont translate it to votes it doesnt matter. It looks fabulous. Barack obama translatesed it into votes. He had fewer people in his crowd in 2007 but he got the votes. September 2007, yeah, huge crowd, same place. Last night we did hear him for the first time kind of acknowledge that this was going to be a tough primary for him. He was up there on that stage and said, you know, we know this\ris going to be hard, partly because of the way the primary is structured, independence cant vote, a lot of people didnt switch their registration in time they know that thats an uphill battle for them. I think there is a sense from the campaign and, jon, i think youve picked up on some of this, too, that if they didnt come out of new york with a big win they have to sort of start to reckon with when and how they are going to close this. The key thing is if Bernie Sanders<\/a> wins this primary by a point or two its actually it will actually hurt him in the sense that in order to actually get to a majority of delegates he needs to win these primaries by large margins. Right. If he wins by two points here it will be a psychic victory, a huge momentum boost and yet it wont get him any net delegates and he is 200 some odd delegates behind in the pledged delegates. It doesnt help to win by one or two or three percentage points, he has to win by ten and thats not likely to happen for him to\ractually gain delegates against her. It doesnt help in the math but, mike, talk about the intangibles, beating Hillary Clinton<\/a> in her home state, that would run his winning streak up to, what, eight, nine . And speaking of the intangibles, theres one intangible thats sort of mystifying to me viewing it from a distance, you two have viewed it up close, the new york feel. Who has a better sense of it . Does bernie born in brooklyn or hillary who has represented new york . Because the crowd last night was spectacular. I dont think it was the essence of new york. It was largely youngs, they enthusiastic and good for bernie, but who has a better sense of the state . I think she has had if you look at the period of time the week basically that theyve been here now in the state campaigning, she has shown a better feel for the totality of new york, for the media\rdynamics. Shes won more news cycles in the last week than he has. Although he is from brooklyn hes been a vermont politician his entire career. Although she has not won here in a decade she still has won statewide here twice, once resoundingly back in 2006. She gets this state a little better in terms of how you win the day, how you get the rough and tumble, she is a little stronger than he is. She can still bank on her 2006 experience and realization of how much time she had to spend upstate. She spent a lot of time on that listening tour. She also campaigned against obama here in 2008 and beat him pretty soundly. She had done this state a lot. Just for the record, welcome to morning joe. Wait, thats why were here. Mika is in the south of france checking her second house out in niece. Is she going to take barnicles pickup truck to niece . Seriously, please. It takes a lot of time up, picking out houses. It does. All of the people that work for her in those two houses its pretty hard. Anyway, mike barnicle, who is he . Guys, is he legendary or what . Legendary columnist. We have kasie hunt with us, John Heilemann<\/a> and katty kay with the news. Katty. Should we get to the latest on what is happening . Nonbernie news because bernie had to be the lead. Bernie was definitely the lead. But donald trump continues to revamp his campaign leadership, there is trump news adding veteran operatives to catch up to ted cruz who has outorganized the businessman in the delegate race so far. Yesterday he announced the hiring of rick wiley, the former Campaign Manager<\/a> for swot walker who nerves as the rncs political director during the\r2002 campaign. It is seen as strengthening the hand of paul man fort within the campaign as trump continues to protest the rnc protest. In colorado right now theyre picketing and going wild because the bosses and the establishment and the people that shouldnt have this power took all of the power away from the voters, so the voters never got to vote and the voters didnt know that except when i got up and campaigned because they did it after i joined the race and they figured id probably win colorado, which i would, i would win colorado, and we had delegates they go in, they dont take them and then they take these others so they get the delegates without voting. Im just saying the system is a corrupt system, its a rigged system. Weve got to change it. And yesterday rnc chair Reince Priebus<\/a> who trump accused of knowing the process was being rigged against him says he doesnt take these barbs\rseriously. I have to respond if the party of which i am a chairman of is getting attacked. Especially when its not true. People get frustrated when things dont go the same way, when theyre frustrated and upset they say things they dont regret but one thing thats true is that the rules are not being changed in order to injure or benefit anybody. Late last night trump wrote on twitter the rules did change in colorado shortly after i entered the race in june because the politicians and their bosses knew i would win with the voters. He also promoted a process march in colorado tomorrow adding, dont let the bosses take your vote. This is ahead of colorados Republican Party<\/a> says that he and his family are receiving death threats, joe. Nice. A lot about colorado. John heilemann, i dont think its the numbers in colorado that matter to trump, this is a\rperfect vehicle for him to keep saying the systems are rigged, he plays to his voters in new jersey, california, everybody who believes the system is rigged and are voting for trump because of that are reinforced in their support on him. I think on the merits the argument is wrong in the sense that the rules were not changed to benefit anybody in particular, i think Reince Priebus<\/a> is right to the extent there are rules changes that took place nearly a year ago Trumps Campaign<\/a> has failed to reckon with those. Isnt it strange that state awards delegates and dont let their people vote . Well, yeah. Yeah. There are a ton of strange anomalies in this im just saying generally. If im a republican in colorado im thinking i kind of would like o to have a say on who wins the republican nomination. If i were a republican in colorado i would not like that system but again the system was not changed in order to disadvantage trump. All im saying is on the merits\rits not a strong argument ofment, politically it is a very strong argument, it taps into this sense that the populous energy for the people who fuel Trumps Campaign<\/a>, that the system is out to screw him and screw them. Hes picked up another republican insider, he has now got people from a lot of different i guess hes got people now from scott walkers campaign, people from ben carsons campaign, people, again, more he has manafort running it all. Right. Along with cory lewandowski. Right. Hes going a bit more mainstre mainstream, isnt he . I think he has he recognized that allow hes railing against the system in public, he understands that in order to actually win the nomination hes going to have to play that game and so he needs people who know how to play that game, whether its at the convention itself or the run up to the convention, he noods more people who understand these rules and are able to compete with the people ted cruz\rhas playing the game very well. And also katty discipline himself in the way that he has over the past week or two. You havent seen the twitter screams, he actually sat down with megyn kelly yesterday, someone he said he would never sit down with trying to make peace with her. In that moment having his family there and even his family telling him weve told him he has to discipline himself. You say the cnn town hall with the family, i didnt see it, but you said compelling tv. It was donald trump playing the part of robert young in the old father knows best tv series. He wasnt loud, he wasnt boisterous, he was compellingly cooperative. He gave most of the time to his family. He was often quiet. There were long stretches that he said nothing. No one said anything ground breaking, lets be honest, it was all fairly, you know, straightforward, pro trump. It was a very compelling testament to have all of his\rfamily, his children are all such articulate spokes people on his behalf. I dont know if anybody saw the cruz town hall last night, too, because i would say the same about the hour they spent last night. Particularly when they brought the daughters up they looked like a normal real family. We have known donald for ten years or so, a lot of people will say whats he really like . I say hes not really like that guy you see on tv. Thats right. I always tell the stories one of the things thats most compelling is the way the guy acts when the cameras isnt on him and i remember commenting on his children. A lot of people that have money their kids are just jerks. I said i dont know donald, you know, a lot of people say a lot of stuff about you, but the one thing i will say is i judge a person many times by their children and what donald said with nobody looking is he said dont give me any credit for that, he said, ivana is\rextraordinary. Its their mother. What an incredible woman. She made them who they are and then she handed them off to me. Fully formed and great. And said its your turn and he just said im lucky. He said they are incredible kids. That five years ago when nobody was looking is probably some of what everybody saw the other night the side of donald trump that unfortunately he does not show enough. It hasnt come out very much at all in in campaign. I remember they did a People Magazine<\/a> spread early on, he and melania at home, but he did talk about what family means to him. Even if you listen around the edges he said i want to go home and spend time at home with my family. Its clear thats important to him but i think that gets missed quite a bit. The cnn town hall where you got a chance to see it. It was remarkable to see him physically sit back in his chair and just kind of watch his family speak on his behalf. I hadnt seen that before. It was a great moment. The one thing he has been a disciplinarian about is drinks and drugs, he says to hem every morning when they were growing up, no alcohol, no drugs, you just dont do it. I did want to ask the kids did you . Hes saying i have never had a glass of alcohol in my life and ivanka saying i used to roll my eyes at my dad every day but that was the message. Still ahead on morning joe the banks are getting bigger unless they arent. We will be talking to morning joe economic analyst Steve Rattner<\/a> about that. Plus another Bernie Sanders<\/a> supporters helped anger over bernie brost by using harsh language. Senator Claire Mccaskill<\/a> joins us and we will talk about the 2016 race. Youre watching morning joe. boy ma, pa why do we settle for cable . mom because were settlers and thats what we do. girl but with directv and at t, you can get your tv and Wireless Service<\/a> from one provider. dad are not we your providers . Do we not provide you with this succulent jackrabbit pie . 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Its steel city and when im president , guess what, steel is coming back to pittsburgh and a lot of other things are coming back. How is joe paterno . Are we going to bring that back, right . How about that whole how about that whole deal . And we do love penn state. Do we love penn state, i mean, in all fairness . All right. Joining the table we have former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst Steve Rattner<\/a>. Im curious, do you bring up paterno . Cruz did. Ted cruz did in pennsylvania yesterday. Trump just did. I think he was mimicking what trump did initially, right, say im bringing him back and there was and then the Campaign Said<\/a> he was referring to the statue, but the audience thought maybe he didnt realize that paterno died. I just kind of stay away from that. Kind of an obvious one. Lets just not really anyway, so we have Steve Rattner<\/a> here. Steve, we will talk about your charts for a second, but you had yesterday the most read article in the New York Times<\/a> and you were talking about republicans being to blame for the rise of trump, they can curse him all they want but you say in large part its their own economic policies that have created Donald Trumps<\/a> success. Well, yeah, i made a fairly simple argument, i think, which is that if the republicans in congress particularly had not blocked every single piece virtually of legislation that obama put forward, try to improve the state of average americans, things like wage\rinsurance and other explanation of the earned income tax credit, things like that, that the same trump base that is now his base would be somewhat better off economically, perhaps less angry, perhaps less in the trump camp. But what on a lot of the fixes that you listed seem like more sort of bandaids, shortterm fixes to take care of the damage thats already been done. What are some of the what would be, if you could name now i think obviously infrastructure, youre talking about the infrastructure bank, i think thats an exception, i think infrastructure does create jobs, create more jobs, create more jobs, but if you could make a suggestion to the Republican Party<\/a> moving forward knowing that theyre Market Driven<\/a>, small government types, what would be the one thing that you would recommend the Republican Party<\/a> adopt to reach out to working class americans that now feel deserted by lets just say\rthe paul ryan wing of the party . I think there is a longterm category and short term. All the stuff people say about education and things like that are all important. But thats a generational change. You are not going to take a 55yearold guy and make him into a software programmer. You have to do the longterm stuff for a generation and then the short term. Payroll taxes. Or this idea of wage insurance, if you lose your job and take a lower paying one the government gives you up to 10,000 or half of your earnings, whichever is less for two years to help cushion the blow. If some of these people had seen something coming from the government toward them. Some sign or symbol that the government was trying to ep help them. Maybe they would be a lot less angry, maybe be in john kasichs camp. Banks and wall street are going to be a key part of the topics that are covered at tonights democratic debate, Steve Rattner<\/a> has charts on\rwhether or not the banks are getting bigger and the influence that wall street pay will have on this election. Steve, what have you got there . The last time i discussed this joe and i almost came a blows. No, we didnt. Why do you always say that . I always say that. We had a spirited discussion. So i wanted to give him equal time. I just responded to what you were saying. Okay. In any event, look, banks are going to be on the agenda tonight obviously at this debate and you will hear a lot of confusing stuff about whether banks are getting big or not getting bigger. I want to try to lay out why they are or arent getting bigger and then talk a little bit about wall street pay. If you look at this and i say, joe and bernie, big banks are getting bigger a lot of it has to do with where you measure from. If you start from the beginning of the financial crisis, 2004, you can see here that the banks, in fact, a number of them are getting bigger by reasonable sizes, except for citi bank, but that is largely because these banks made large acquisitions. They bought washington mutual, country wide, Merrill Lynch<\/a> so their assets grew. If instead you take a look at the banks from after these acquisitions happened and simply whats happened in the more recent time you see a much more modest picture, in fact, you see declines for most of the banks. Small increase here for jpmorgan, but bank of america smaller, citi smaller, wells fargo larger but they are basically a retail bank based out on the west coast. So hillarys point would be the banks really arent much bigger, the problem is a different kind of problem and needs a different kind of solution. Lets take a look at the last thing on which there is not a lot of disagreement which is wall street pay. If you go back to 1982 the average wall street worker in new york got roughly twice, about 100,000 what the average worker in the rest of the private economy got in new york. If you look at it today even after the financial crisis at 400,000 versus 72,000 the\raverage wall street worker is getting six times. So from two times to six times over this 30year period. Even at the time of occupy wall street in 2011 the average private sector worker was getting about the average wall street worker was getting about five times what a private sector worker was getting. So there is a real basis behind this anger towards wall street, this sense that wall street is winning and everybody else is losing. Mike. Lets go back to the big banks and bernie is very popular theme that he has been carrying on now for years actually. What has happened to the Smaller Banks<\/a> that Bernie Sanders<\/a> favors, the Community Banks<\/a>, the things that he says would be a vital part of rebuilding localized america . Up dramatically. If you look at the banks over 500 billion of assets, they declined by 2 , they have lost 2 of their assets. If you look at everybody else below that you will see increases of 25 , of 30 , of 35 . All the growth in the banking\rsystem has gone to these smaller and middlesized banks, the ones that he wants to help. Coming up on morning joe senator Claire Mccaskill<\/a> will be with us live, we are going to talk to her about a strange chapter in america, the st. Louis cardinals, 44. Talk about weeping and nashing of teeth, we will see if clair will come on this show and set cloth to ashes. Theres always an excuse. Me joins us to give us her excuse next. Rry about a cracked windshield. So she scheduled at safelite. Com and with safelites exclusive on my way text she knew exactly when id be there. So she didnt miss a single shot. cheering crowd i replaced her windshield. Giving her more time for what matters most. Howd ya do . We won nice thats another safelite advantage. Thank you so much lite replace. And casuper food . Is that recommend sya real thing . Cedar . Its a great school, but is it the right one for her . Is this really any better than the one you got last year . If we consolidate suppliers, whats the savings there . So should we go with the 467 horsepower . Or is a 423 enough . Good question. You ask a lot of good questions. I think we should move you into our new fund. Sure. Ok. But are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed . 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Oh, dont worry your pretty little head about the cardinals, we will be shine. Thank you for calling me pretty, i do appreciate t but im more than just pretty. Pretty enough as they say. So how are the cardinals going to do this year . I lot of injuries. Yeah, theres good news really a lot of good news. These two new bats have been\rbought, hazelbacker and ruez have been good. I think our starting pitching rotation needs a little work but the bats lit up after the cold weather in pittsburgh. I think we are feeling pretty good. What about those dreaded cubbies, do you think were entering into a period where the dark side of the force is going to reign over the empire for a while or at least the National League<\/a> east . They have some former guys who wore the birds on the back that are pretty good. I think its going to be as always an amazing rivalry, one of the most fun i think in baseball because of how the fans intersect and the larger regions. I think and of course last year the cubs had trouble in the playoffs because after they beat the cardinals they thought they had won the world series and gave up. Exactly. Mike. Well, senator, because we like you so much and because were all very friendly here in\rnew york with my friend thigh owe epstein you are going to be to the world series as a guest of the show cubs. How sweet of you, barnicle. Senator, we apologize for that. How are you feeling . I feel great. Thats fantastic. Treatment going okay . Treatment is going well. You know, it was caught very early and i will tell you that in the middle of all this vitriol and ugliness in these campaigns, even my haters on twitter were being sweet to me during that period of time. So it was really uplifting and i want to thank you and so many morning joe viewers that reached out to me in various ways. It was very nice. Well, we love you and obviously were always here for you. It also i guess when you get news like that it puts everything into perspective, not that you didnt have everything in perspective, but just how stupid sometimes the day in and day out concerns of politics are. People people come up to me\rand i always say, just relax. Its politics. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. And i think it does put things in perspective. Its hard, i think, this cycle because theres so much out there and the problems are serious and complicated and some of the rhetoric thats being thrown around is, you know, just some of its offensive and some of its unrealistic. I just hope that everyone gets past kind of the superficial ugliness that frankly is too prevalent and gets down to the nittygritty and figures out who can move the needle and who can actually get something done on these complicated problems, both foreign and domestic. Senator, katty here. We saw a lot of that vitriol and ugliness on the republican side, are you worried its creeping in on the democratic side, there were fairly ugly words thrown around last night in new york at the Bernie Sanders<\/a> rally. I worry about the tone and i worry about it on both sides. Its really important we keep the tone where it should be. It is unacceptable for anybody to reference Hillary Clinton<\/a> as a corporate whore and thats what happens in the introduction last night at that rally and i have not yet heard Bernie Sanders<\/a> say totally unacceptable. Its totally unacceptable. Bernie sanders has just tweeted that it was inappropriate and unacceptable himself. Well, good for him, but he should have done it from the podium the minute those words were issued. There was a huge cheer that went up when Hillary Clinton<\/a> was called a corporate whore and thats when the candidate has to step in and go, wait a minute, guys, remember what the real enemy is here. It is the policies and values represented by ted cruz and donald trump. Weve got to be united in november. Theres way too much at stake. Thats why tone matters. Senator, why do you think it is that senator sanders has only received one endorsement from a fellow member of the United States<\/a> senate, senate merkel from oregon . Why not he has been around a long time. Why not more . I think there is a couple of reasons. First i think its important to remember that hillary is winning, shes got almost 2 1 2 million more votes than Bernie Sanders<\/a>, shes got a delegate lead that is so suggest that it is very difficult to imagine a scenario where she is not going to go into the convention with by far the most popular vote, by far the most pledged delegates. So i think thats part of it is the senators see that. And also we want someone who gets that this is about not just winning the presidency, but winning other democratic elections and supporting the Democratic Party<\/a> because we cant move the needle if we dont have bigger numbers of democrats in the house and the senate. And frankly compromise is sometimes necessary in our constitutional form of government and all of us have not seen bernie very willing to compromise on much during the time he has been in congress in 23 years. Senator, Michael Steele<\/a> here. Shifting gears a little bit, you met yesterday with Supreme Court<\/a>\rnominee Merrick Garland<\/a> and i presume that went well. He said that he would not be an activist judge in any sense and yet you still have chairman of the Judiciary Committee<\/a> Chuck Grassley<\/a> and others saying the blockade will stay in place, that they will not honor the process and allow merrick at least to meet fully with senate members. How do you see that playing out right now and whats the background that youre hearing from republicans and democrats alike about how this is playing out in washington and around the country . Well, i think Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> before the body literally before Justice Scalias<\/a> body was even cold he said we wont even have hearings, we wont even consider it. Now, i dont gt that. Let me make sure im clear about this. I have no problem if republicans want to say to the American People<\/a> we will not vote for an obama nominee. Thats fine. But to play politics with the constitution and to say there\rwill be no hearings, there will be no vote, thats just unprecedented in history. It has never happened. And i think most americans dont like it. I dont think you know, lets just have a hearing, let the American People<\/a> vet this nominee and then vote no. Thats your duty under the constitution. I love these guys who wave the constitution when its convenient. Clair, bill clinton has gotten into a bit of a mess on the campaign trail over the past week in talking about who super predators were in the 1990s. Does he owe black americans an ag apology . I think context is important and i think sometimes he feels he wants to defend his record and his record was, you know we had Community Policing<\/a> in those days and if you look at ferguson and other communities, a lot of the problems that are bubbling up is because the Police Officers<\/a> arent trusted, they are not known and they are not trusted. Right. When you do Community Policing<\/a> it makes a real difference when people in the neighborhood people like they know the police officer, they work with that police officer. So Community Policing<\/a> was a really positive thing that occurred because of that crime bill. But do you think bill clintons crime bill, though, with mass incarceration and with some of the other some of the other more extreme parts of that legislation back in 94, do you think that contributed to an environment that led to events like ferguson . Like every piece of long and complicated legislation there were good parts of it and there were parts that probably didnt foresee how far that pendulum would swing and that is wrong and i believe both hillary and bill clinton believe that was wrong. On the other hand, im a little confused about the outrage about Bernie Sanders<\/a> about the crime bill since he voted for it. And so, you know and i was a prosecutor at that time and, believe me, the resources we got to do Community Policing<\/a>, to do\rcrime prevention, to do things like drug courts, that was all done during the Clinton Administration<\/a> where we were taking people out of prison and putting them in a Therapeutic Drug Court<\/a> program not putting them in jail. So i just think its important that we remember overall the impotence of that bill was to help neighborhoods fight a really Violent Crime<\/a> epidemic. Mike barnicle, a lot of people dont realize that clair was a prosecutor in kansas city and in fact her son once called her the best, right, clair . Well what did he tell the teacher . Oh, yeah. Well, he was confused. He was writing a paper, he was in the second grade and i explained to him that i was a big prosecutor in kansas city how great i was and he accidentally when he wrote the paper said i was the best prostitute in kansas city. Its in the scrapbook. So you still have that in the scrapbook . He was confused and the teacher thought it was hysterical and obviously it was. All right. Best prosecutor. Best prosecutor in kansas city. Clair, thank you so much. Its great to have you back. Thank you. We hope to see you very soon. Thank you. All right. 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Dont worry, joe, you have one as well. Fantastic. Yeah. Youve got your own little bit of debt that you owe. Is joes different . He has a lot more. Terrible. He spends a lot more. Its only going to get worse. I mean, you look at entitlements, you look at demographics. Right. It just gets worse for us. That is not something that drumpd is thinking of addressing, entitlements. Says hes not going to. Its the very thing we have to. Time for business before the bell with cnbcs dominic chu. What stories as well as the debt are you looking at this morning . I dont know. Im just a small guy here who doesnt really have all that kind of money to talk about. So i will leave it at that. Anyway, lets talk about whats happening with day two of the verizon workers strike. After yesterdays cameo appearance by Bernie Sanders<\/a> who slammed the company for its perceived employment policies verizons ceo wanted to set the record straight. In a blog post he vented his frustration with sanders and his, quote, uninformed views. He countered sanders assertion\rthat the company doesnt pay its taxes and that it was looking to conduct mass layoffs of workers or ship jobs overseas. Now, turning to the tech world here, its a battle for supremacy in Silicon Valley<\/a> and its taken another interesting turn here. Social media giant facebook has fired formal google manager reg na do you goel to connect the world. The unit at facebook is going to be calling building aids, working on things like Artificial Intelligence<\/a> and virtual reality. She was previously head of the pentagons darfa. A big profile hire for facebook. Thank you so much. Dominic chu. Greatly appreciate it. If im not mistaken hillary visited the picketers. Didnt she go i have a speak there . To the verizon workers . In the past. I thought she gave a speech there and got paid 225,000 for her hour speech. Maybe she could have gone from a may 2013 speech cooperation played clinton 225,000. Maybe she could have just gone around to the picketers and handed some of that money out. What john lennon is saying, a working class hero is something to be. All right. Coming up next you know, somebody asked me the other day, well, you know, folks are wondering, can a grandmother be president . I said, well, i sure think so. A lot of grandfathers have been president. Ive never actually wondered that, but now thats out on the table, we can ask the less leslie stahl about it. She joins us to talk about the woman who could become the first grandmother president. Keep it right here on morning joe. Xerox Predictive Analytics<\/a> help companies provide a better and faster customer experience. Hello mr. Kent. Can i rebook your flight . Im here Customer Care<\/a> can work better. With xerox. Wait im here mr. 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Correspondent for 60 minutes lesley stahl. Great to have her back. Shes back with a new book becoming grandma, the joyce and sciences of new grandparenting. First we want to get your take on the president ial race so far. Hillary clinton also looks like she may be set again to make history. She might. She might. At least if shes the first grandmother to be the white\rhouse. You know, i went up with frank luntz to do a see him do a focus group in New Hampshire<\/a> over a year ago, scott walker was number one, donald trump was nowhere, not on the radar at all, and i wanted to see if her being a grandmother would soften her image. Right. And they were all republicans in the focus group and several of them thought it would. Im surprised to be honest with you that it doesnt seem to have because grandmothers have this lovely reputation, all of us, as being soft and warm and cozy, just a kind of image she really needs to begin to foster. Yeah. Given what the focus groups people say about her. It doesnt seem like shes gone there. There have been a couple of moments in the campaign and really one of my favorite moments of the campaign was when somebody asked her what the most important thing was about, you know that she she said love. And then she went into this beautiful description about how\rdifficult love was she said but a friend of mine told me at the end of her life i looked back at all my accomplishments, they were nothing. She said, but love, that was thats what is worth fighting for. And it was a beautiful moment but she doesnt give us enough of those moments. And its surprising because thats when you become a grandmother that business about love is what is changing you so much because you love those little kids beyond anything you have ever felt before. And i have heard her talk about it so i know that she is a typical grandmother in that sense. Right. You could see it coming to the fore. The other thing about grandmothers is that they have an innate authority and people will accept an older woman in authority much more easily than they will accept a younger woman. Im a little surprised that she isnt playing it up more. I will give you a plug for the book its come in at number five on the New York Times<\/a> best seller list. Why is it resonating so much . I think because all the new grandmothers and grandfathers are baby boomers and they are now theyre between 50 and 70, they are all becoming grandmothers and grandfathers every day. 30,000 new grandparents in the United States<\/a> every week. Wow. Every week. I wonder why there arent grandparents blocks, voting blocks, seriously. So i just think there are i said grandma, but there are a lot of grandpa if here, too, and i think they are becoming the readers, the people who are the big demographic in the United States<\/a> are here and no one has written about it before. So becoming grandma, two questions. Do your granddaughters call you grammy or grandma, thats one question and the second question is how did it change you becoming a grandmother . Well, they dont call me grandma, although i was so old when i finally got a grandchild\rthat they could have called me anything, i wouldnt care. I was just panting to be a grandmother and i do think we have an innate craving for it because its whats supposed to be, our fweens are saying thats your next phase. So they call me lowelly and my husband pop so we are lollipop. Its changed me in every conceivable way. The depth of emotion is so intense and so full body. Are you a grandfather . Yeah. Do you know what im talking about . Yes, i do, sort of. Im different than. You were guys, come on. We never get it. Theyre grandpa. Come on. What do you expect . Just you wait, henry hig begins, when you are a grandfather and you say tell me about your grandchildren, grandfather their shoulders go soft, faces go soft and they are just where we are as\rgrandparents. Mike plays a touch game. I spend one day with him in boston driving around, he literally drives around, he is the concierge and counselor of hisser children 24 7. They are his life. Thats true. I want to see him when his grandchildren walk in the room and light up when they see you. What do they call you . Mike. [ laughter ] they do. That is so bizarre. I have to say its very Upper West Side<\/a>. Mike. Mike. I was with tom brokaw last night. He has five grandchildren and i said to him what do they call you, he said tom. Wow. Grandma, congratulations, the book is becoming grandmother. Great to have you here. Congratulations. Tonight at 8 30 at prohibition you cannot miss it. Youre going to be there, katty, i can tell. Joe playing music. Thank you so much for joining\rus. 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