Taking jardiance wi a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. Tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you have any medical conditions. So talk to your doctor, and for more information, visit jardiance. Com look, nobody has better toys than i do. I can put them in the best planes and bring them to the best resorts anywhere in the world. Doral, maralago. I can put them in the best places in the world. California, i have something that blows everybody away. But its a corrupt system. Youre basically buying these
people. Youre basically saying, delegate, listen, well send you to maralago on a boeing 757, youll use the spa and this and that and we want your vote. Thats a corrupt system. Its all rigged. Its a rigged deal. You know, you look at colorado and i watched the rnc, hes a nice guy, reince, hes a nice guy, but he said, well, we havent changed well, i went in june, in august, they changed. And the reason they changed is because they saw i was going to win colorado. The way we do it is we give it to the bosses. So colorado, their vote was taken away. Wyoming, their vote was taken away. If donald trump, if he was winning the majority of votes, he would likely have the majority of delegates, but thats not actually whats happening. Hes winning a plurality of votes and he has a plurality of delegates and under the rules and under the concept of this country, a majority rules on everything. Okay, good morning, everybody. Hows it going . How was everybodys weekend . A nice weekend, right . Beautiful, right . So beautiful. What a great weekend. It was all right. No, really. No, it was good. Your show was good. Shes just exhausted from watching no, you know what the problem is . Not just anyone here have daughters . Oh, youre all too young. You think you have everything down until your daughters become teenagers and this face is because i have a teenage daughter. Good morning enough said. This face is because i had three arbys soup. Its the same thing. You dont see the pain etched on my face so much. So your show, did it feel good or make you nervous . Were you nervous . A little bit of that, right . I have to say, inspired by our experience together for although
ten years, trying to bring a little bit of morning joe to the mornings, some news in a conversational way. Thank you for the inspiration. Were you nervous . Not nervous, but anytime you do something for the first time, there was a little uncertain about it. And everyone was talking about it. Number one trending topic on twitter all day. Hes perfect. Thats why, this trip around the cave. It always works. Its sunday morning, and i was like, i wouldnt do this, but who am i to judge. It may be the top trernder. You did it with class. Willie knows his audience. We never directly referenced you. We get you back more and you get this great show. Everybody wins. Its such a good move. Monday, april 18th, something to smile about, willie geist. With us on set, former Communications Director for george w. Bush, nicole wallace. Popping popcorn. And im watching reince priebus
this weekend. I know reince, i like him. But i wanted to tell him, buddy, just stop. Just back away. Youre like the rnc chair. He has exactly you where he wants you. Youre looking defensive. Have an associate come on. Have a past rnc chair come on. Have Haley Barbour come on going, well, you know, politics. Its just much about nothing you know, trump, hes just trump, hes just just ignore trump. I dont think haley wants to say that about trump. But im just saying, the guy in charge of the rnc, you dont go on there and look offensive. And this is donald trump, making turn, guess what . Last week he wasnt on, he put his people on. This week he wasnt on and it was other people on being defensive. But reince doesnt need to do that anymore. Reince saying hes not going to take donald trump personally, he should. Because its personal. He is making this case, and i
think, you know, sort of, while we were sleeping, he might have won this case. I think ted cruz keeps winning at these state conventions, but were not nominating a prom queen or king of any state convention and were nominating a president. And people feel this delegate ros that cruz keeps winning is not how they feel that we elect president s. So i think trump is now riding this into a second week. This has his second week, this is his daily message. This is the most discipline hes been on any message. And did you see the numbers . Have exploded. Hes been over 50, but i think hes at 50 in the National Polls in california, hes like 49 in california and its the best thing that could have happened to him was taking that colorado loss where nobody voted and using it for two weeks. And he got another one this weekend. He got wiped out in wyoming. Now hes got a frame to hang around these staggering losses. So cruz doesnt really look like hes its rigged. Also with us, managing editor of bloomberg politics, cohost of with all due respect, that airs at 6 00 eastern on msnbc, John Heilemann and in nashville, tennessee, pulitzer prizewinning historian, jon meacham. He cried all weekend, but for a different reason. Yeah. Well, thats what he does. Hes very sensitive. You know, who would have ever imagined the crimean war would have gone that way. Its the whole shades rebellion thing. You never got over it. I thought willies best moment of the new severide of sunday morning was the look of the war of 1812. That was for you. Yeah, thanks, nerd joke. Polling in the three biggest states left on the republican primary calendar show donald trump at or near a majority in each. In new york, the cbs yougov. Poll shows trump paused to win with 54 . Ted cruz back at 21 . John kasich at 19. In pennsylvania, trump is ahead by 20 points. 46 to cruzs 26 . And in california, trump is up by 18 points over cruz, 49 to 31. So, John Heilemann. Yeah . Looks like a big, big surge. Certainly, he was always ahead in new york, even coming out of wisconsin. But california and pennsylvania, he seems to be solidifying his gains. He does, and i think for the reasons you guys just said, you know, its, you know, this particular moment where he left wisconsin in the worst position hes been in throughout the entire race. Right. And how he managed to make this turn, if he ends up being the republican nominee, well look at this as the moment where he displayed the most political of any of the campaign. Most of him, hes got stronger
by sucking energy out of the attacks. This has not been a visceral thing. This has been a smart thing. This has been kind of the, like, okay, im in trouble, i have new york coming up, lets see whats going on out here and how i can jiujitsu something thats essentially a negative for me, which is to say im losing delegates in all these states and turn it into a message, as nicole said, that hes been more consistently on and that is more obviously on brand than anything else hes done. Its just the sophistication of this. Hes not been particularly sophisticated throughout this campaign. This is a moment hes displaying strategic and technical deftness. But also has a level of sophistication to it, but totally connects with everybody, with the voters. The sophistication of it, and you look at the people that hes putting around him, hes starting to move professionals in around him and hes doing this i think, tactically, the most sophisticated part of it is, theyre making all of these changes. Right. Where they know theyve got two weeks that are going to lead up to his Home Field Advantage win. Where hes going to get over 50 . So they have used these two weeks, which started as the low point of his campaign. The only time that we said, its the low point of his campaign, this is miserable, and he had to make the change and it appears he has made the change. And hes doing all of this and bringing in all of the professionals, leading up to a known win. Which is the safest, best time to turn on a dime. So you can really roll it all together. Despite his big lead in the polls, donald trump again lost in this weeks delegate battles. Ted cruz scored wins in contests in south carolina, kansas, virginia, and florida. Votes that could be key in the Convention Goes to multiple blot ballots. The same story in georgia, where after another defeat, Trump Supporters marched out taking American Flag with them. Trumps National Director told the atlanta journalconstitution, quote, we are investigating concerns of delegate suppression in a few district conventions. In wyoming this weekend, cruz won an additional 14 firstballot votes after making a personal appeal to the state Gop Convention. And attacking donald trump, who was campaigning in the northeast. Donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. I have no experience with that. Anywhere you have a situation where were voting, thats where i do well. Where the bosses are i can do better with the bosses than anybody, believe me. I deal with bosses. Ive dealt with the bosses all my life. Ive done very well politically. I just dont want to. I could have gone out to colorado. Im sure i could have met the head guy. Im sure i could have wined and dined him and taken him to maralago, put him on personal planes and sent him all over the place. Which is legal, but thats not democracy. Youre allowed essentially to pay off these people. They go out and theyre wining
and dining and you have no idea whats going on with those delegates. Its a crooked process, folks. Its a dishonest process. That has nothing to do with democracy. The fact that youre taking all these people out and wining and dining them, nobody does that stuff better than me. I just dont want to do it. I just dont want to do it. And now you have wyoming that just came out. Not a lot of delegates, but it would be easy. Ill go and fly to wyoming, meet the chairman, i guarantee you within ten minutes hes my best friend. Hed drop a guy like cruz in about two seconds, okay . But i just dont want to do it. Because its not the right thing to do. We have a bad system and the system has to change. Has to change. So, willie, youve got ted cruz winning these delegate battles in conventions, where people dont vote, in wyoming, and in colorado and states like that. And trump ahead in new york and pennsylvania and california, approaching 50 . I dont fault ted cruz, its the only thing he can do. But at this point, it looks like, you know, theyre running around and picking lint up off of trumps jacket. Ted cruz is definitely outhustling donald trump on the delegates, but ive been amazed to listen to the Broad Spectrum of people who agree with trump on this, including democrats who are otherwise repulsed by him, who say, wait a minute, you win the most votes but dont get the most delegates, or there are uneven votes and the delegates come away deciding who wins that state. Theres a primary in West Virginia coming up on may the 10th, where donald trump will win by a landslide, but he may lose the delegate count, because there are these arcane rules that have to do with the alphabet. Politico has a big piece about it up today. And thats the kind of thing people look at. And i think its the first time weve had this big a discussion about it on such a big stage. And they say, again, thats not democracy. How about the guy who gets the most votes wins. The process is rigged. Its unbelievable. But its forcing us to have all these really everything
about trumps candidacy is forcing us as republicans to have comfortable conversations. I think the surge of sanders and trumps is forcing political insiders of the these Difficult Conversations. And i think this is so central to trumps message, because hes ripping the curtains down. He is yanking them down and showing just how i hate to keep using the word rigged, but how easily manipulated but it seems, jon meacham, it seems rigged. It feels rigged. Ive had people say, well, joe, its like these Political Parties are like country clubs, okay . Theyre not democracies. They can do whatever they want. And they literally are telling me that, as if thats their defense. And all im thinking is, thats exactly why theyre about to be torn to the ground. This 150year duopoly youve been talking about for some time between democrats and republicans, it just may be coming to an end, and this exposu exposure of this ugly, undemocratic process on both sides, with super delegates and
now this, may be one of the reasons why they do come tumbling down. Yeah, theyre oligarchies, basically. And they dont make a great deal of ideological sense. It seems to me that one of the missed opportunities of this cycle, which, of course, has been so calm and unnotable, is if, if bloomberg, if Mike Bloomberg had, in fact, run, you would have had this interesting case where, would fiscally conservative and socially moderate voters in both the democratic and republican parties, would they have moved to a third party . And you would have made the republican and democratic parties more purely ideological on both sides. One of the Great Questions of the thing. The other interesting thing to me about the past couple of days is what trump has done seems to me is moved from historically the crudest kind of populism, blaming the other. You know, its immigrants, its muslims. Theyre the ones its trade deals. Theyre the ones other people
are taking things from you. And he has made it a very sophisticated kind of populism now. Which is, in fact, the very visible Party Structure is taking away the decision, what appears to be the decision of the ballot box. Its an interesting pivot. So i cant even imagine if you are not a trump supporter, if you dont kind of understand the concept here at play. This all comes as a new nbc news wall street journal poll finds that more than six in ten Republican Voters believe the candidate with the most votes and delegates at the end of the primary should be the nominee if no one has a majority. The poll found that 33 of voters think the delegates themselves should pick the partys standardbearer. But only 20 would find it acceptable if that person did not run in the primaries. 71 called that unacceptable. And just looking at the numbers before we go to the trump sound bite, flip back to the other numbers here. The Republican Party, the
republican establishment, everybody thats gotten trump wrong, the rightwing Republican Press, the moderate right Republican Press that have gotten it all wrong, all along, what a surprise. Theyre wrong again, nicole. This party is not going to stand for them picking ted cruz if hes, you know, if Donald Trumps within 100 of winning the nomination. There is going to be a political brawl, not physical, on the floor. And the republican establishment will lose. Peggy noonan wrote a couple months ago, you can go get a new establishment, you cant get a new base. And that 63 of our voters who think that if it goes to someone other than the person with the most delegates who looks like it will be donald trump, they would, you know, break with the party and thats a you dont recover from that. You can certainly recover from a nominee that some of the establishment isnt comfortable with. You cant recover from using faith or breaking faith with 63
of the base of your party. You cant lose twothirds, willie. Twothirds of the party, and go on and do anything that slaughtered. Maybe they dont care if they get slaughtered if trumps at the top of the ticket. But kelly ayotte cares and ron johnson could share and paul ryan should care and Mitch Mcconnell should care, because if they do that, democrats are going to take over. Republicans are one Office Holder away from having the most dominant hold on american politics i cant maybe since the early 1920s. They own 60 of the governorships, own 60 of the state legislators. They own the house. More people in the house since 28. They own the senate. Theyve got a lot to lose by pissing off their base. Its just political reality. And maybe one bad president ial candidate away from it all falling apart. On the other side of it, the other number you had up, the second number, which is, would
it be acceptable for the white knight candidate to ride into the convention. They dont want that. Only 20 of the voters are saying the paul ryan thing that the media is so into, the voters are saying, no, no, no. One of the guys whos there right now. So over the weekend, trump had a warning for the party. The system a bad, bad system and they got to do something about it. The Republican National committee, they better get going. Because ill tell you what, youre going to have a rough july at that convention. Its not common, but a few states out west use a convention system, where delegates start competing at the county level a month ago, and they go through the county, the precinct, the Congressional District and a state convention, and the candidates participate the who will way through. And no one was complaining, except for when it was all over. Theres no room for threatening the delegates or the convention or anybody that would be going to our national convention. But i also think some of this is rhetoric and hyperbole. And the truth is that the delegates themselves are the ones that right the rules for the convention. The rnc doesnt write any rules. So is the system fair . It could be more fair. On the republican side, i mean, there are a lot of these states, you know, one person, one vote. The man and woman that wins the election should get the most delegates. Its the same thing we were saying on the democratic side, and these states where Bernie Sanders outperforms Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton gets more delegates. The system is rigged. Its what we started saying early last week and now, you know, got a lot of orr people that are saying it, too. And they should. So if you were in reinces position, how would you explain this . Because it almost seems like hes being very defensive about a system thats not fair. I would be on the phone with donald and i would say, hey, listen, i understand what youre going. Its a smart political move. These have been the rules for a very long tim