Morning joe starts right now. Hey, guys. Hi. Welcome to our big plane its so exciting. What do you think . I think its pretty cool. Dont cool. Dont you . Youre supposed to say yes. Watch the camera. I am so happy to have all of you with me. I was just waiting for this moment. Ask you about obviously hillary is having us on her plane . Is that what shes doing . Its a different kind of plane the way its set up. Its not set up with seats. Kellyanne i have no problem with that, with letting some of the folks travel. Its a different kind of plane. Hillary clinton and donald trump speaking with the press on their planes over the Holiday Weekend. Mark halperin is back. I just want to finish what i was saying, at one point parked
on the same tarmac in ohio. Labor day saw the debut of Clintons Campaign 737 carrying traveling press corps with the candidate for the first time. Although trumps press corps did not travel with him, he did take questions from the pool saying he would be open. Didnt you go on the trump plane for the circus, deep in the primary season . Couple of times. Its nice on there. Her plane looks nice, too. I look forward to flying on that one. He says his isnt configured. Why not . Why isnt his configured for the press . Its fancy. Its fancy. They are facing each other. Its tuesday september 6th. With us on set we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost with all due respect you just saw him airs 6 00 on msnbc. Where have you been . Getting camera rested and
ready, a president ial tradition. It is nice. Did you see all the people subbing for him . It was like a parade. We did our best. He was missed. Also with us former Communications Director for george w. Bush Nicolle Wallace and economic adviser steve ratner. Very rested. Hes full on 100 of his banker suit. Your attitude, i guess, this is the first day of the year. Dress for success. Show them your pocket watch. Monicle. In washington we have David Ignatius. Also with us, good morning, Pulitzer Prize columnist and msnbc political analyst euGene Robinson. This is really the first
day of the rest of our lives. For the rest of our lives. This is traditional opening of campaign season. It is. So now what you see is what you get with these candidates. We have a lot to get to this morning. Im just going to start with what trump is leading with trying to make it look like Hillary Clinton is sick or something because she coughed. Just want to know where tim kaine was when he was clapping behind her for two minutes like this. If i had a coughing fit on the air, what would you do . Probably take over and help out. Tim kaine, come on. What are you doing . Probably step up, take a mike, get a drink of water. Hes a little awkward. We have conspiracy theories. This proves help out. Its a tough schedule. Its a really rough schedule. Sometimes you cough and do stuff like that. Look, if she had a health issue, do you think she would have been on the road . No, its silly. Here is a little of the call. I dont want to show it. I thought you wanted to. I wasnt going to bring it up. Congresswoman marsha fudge for hosting us. This guy is up for two minutes, hes back there. I was playing parchese with my kids. Mark halperin. He was waiting for her to stop. Trump is going to jump only one, crowd goes crazy. Guys, campaign, please help. All right. Over with that story. Great. Happy labor day. Speaking of labor day, were going to talk about this. Okay. The fbi has to pretend like they were trying to do this job better than they were. They interview hillary on the saturday of fourth of july weekend to kill that story, then they release these fbi notes labor day weekend. The interview was so pathetic. They had cheryl mills, had her lawyers in, but who also were the principles in destroying the documents, deciding what documents to destroy and shred or not. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Nicole, were you shocked by the fbi notes you saw . Well, i always keep up on the news, but i was scrolling through and its like oh, my
god, this is like press tactics 1990, dump it on friday. We live in 24 7 world. Unbelievable. Where everyone was campaigning. The notion that there could be more to come would be the thing that would keep me up all night. Her biggest problem is this vibe that she isnt forthcoming. The way the information has come up didnt help her that came out on friday. Probably not back into it. Whats so shocking is ill do the story. Again, you actually have people who are principles. If this is a criminal investigation, if they find something in Hillary Clintons interview that makes it possible for them to indict her or other people on her staff, they have the key players sitting there listening to the testimony while shes being interviewed. That never happens. We have david and gene as well as steve here, i admit i
backed into this story but lets not back into this one it complicated. Hillary clintons email, on the friday before labor day fbi released details of its threehour interview it conducted saturday of the fourth of july weekend over the summer. The notes reveal clinton could not recall or remember key details of more than three dozen times she said she believed the c for confidential in some documents actually stood for the order of paragraphs and not the level of classification or her claim she relied on her staff for classification decisions and had no recollection of receiving training in handling sensitive material. The notes revealed there were efforts to breach accounts on the server with secretary clinton responding to an email with a potentially malicious link. A computer specialist deleted archive mailbox weeks after the
server became public, or that she used 13 devices for emails, some of which were destroyed with a hammer. Hold on. Stop right there. I want to stop right there. They got two of the blackberries, took them outside with a hammer and destroyed them, some would say destroying evidence. They lost they lost, what, 10, 11 blackberries. They cant account for. David ignatius, they cannot account for 10, 11 blackberries, they lost an email scene to the office, lost in the mail. A wonderful time for fbi to go, give us a tracking number and well help you find it. The fbi let all these sleeping dogs lie, all the fbi notes. Instead of saying x lied or y lied or x and ys testimony,
actually their recollections were completely sandalson and mills recalled it completely opposite. They let sleeping dogs lie. They left it out there. Where is the laptop . Why didnt the fbi make the most modest of efforts. Go ahead, david, youre holding the notes. Knowing your intense interest in the emails. I swear to god its not my intense interest. It should be anybody who is a lawyers interest how shabbily the fbi ran this. My only point, i did try to look at the material released over the weekend. It does back up jim comeys basic summary, the headline we had a few months ago, this was grossly sloppy management of the records, procedures surrounding the records. Thats what comey said in some
of the material. Comey went on to say he did not find evidence of violation of law that prosecutors could take to court. Thats still, joe, what i felt looking for details. Theres some moments taking a blackberry youre not going to use anymore that looked awful. If there was material on those blackberries that married with this investigation that would be a potential violation of law. Do you think theres sports scores on there . Was hillary looking at sports scores . No. People destroy hard drives every minute somewhere in the minute they are taking a ham tore hard drives. Secretary of state that has improper server out there. These notes dont open new ground so much as they confirm what comey, the fbi director said, this is extremely sloppy but doesnt expose. The fbi exposed itself to be weak. Hard not to see it that way. Whats shocking to me is find a prosecutor anywhere in america that will come on television today and tell you that they will allow principles to an investigation to sit in on another principles investigation in the middle of a case. And drop everything on holidays. Theres so much to say about fbis conduct here. Those that are skeptical about how hes done this, look at the fridays release. The guy has not had a press conference. He talks transparency. Ive become critical of him. I know he has a sterling reputation. Not with me. To release on friday as if hes an arm of the campaign, i was stunned. Theres a lot of information thats of great public interest. Is the best time to release this, to get a full public hearing on friday before labor
day. Following up an interview with Hillary Clinton on saturday, fourth of july weekend. I really believe hes called his own impartiality into question by what hes done. The number of new legitimate questions raised by this material its too many. We could fill three hours talking about it. Doesnt mean she should be indicted necessarily necessarily, but it does mean there are a lot of questions the fbi didnt follow up on. The fbi followed up Gene Robinson the fbi failed to follow up on so many things, conflicting testimony, missing laptops that contained all the secretary of states emails subject to this. They are still missing. Location unknown. Location unknown. They just left it hanging out there. You get tracking numbers for ups. The material requested by House Committee, went and
destroyed the information they were looking for afterwards. Yeah. Gene, go ahead. Here is my question, joe, how often do you hear from fbi such voluminous information on a case they decide not to prosecute. How often does the fbi come out and say we dont see a crime here. We dont see a crime here that can be. Randy gene, i agree with you. Yet they release volumes and volumes and volumes of information. The fbi got it wrong going both ways. The fbi was unfair. I think the fbi was shoddy in their process. They left too mabe things up in the air. This was political. They never were going to indict Hillary Clinton. You know what, if youre jim comey and youre not going to indict Hillary Clinton, treat Hillary Clinton like every other american and shut your mouth, but he did not do it. You know why . He knew she probably needed to be indicted but he wasnt going to do it in an election year. He made his bed. He should sleep in it instead of continuing to leak this out. The fbi is solely by shoddy, shoddy again, what are they going to do, keep dribbling this out was jim comey feels bad about himself . This is a question. I do think dribbling out is weird. I think if i were in the Clinton Campaign, i would say, whats the deal here. It would certainly be in the interest of their campaign to get everything out thats going to come out if they are going to keep putting stuff out there. Whether or not its on a holiday eve. In fact, the sort of every once in a while, here is a bunch of new stuff about Hillary Clinton that you might think is shady but we decided theres nothing really wrong here. Its crazy. I want to get steve in here. First nbcs Andrea Mitchell asked clinton to account for her judgment in these matters. Does that to critics indicate a casual attitude towards classification and towards the way secrets were kept and protected when you were secretary of state. Not at all, andrea. I went into the state Department Understanding classification. I had been on the Armed Services committee for years before i was secretary of state. I take classification seriously. The fact i couldnt remember certain meetings, whether or not it occurred, doesnt in any way affect the commitment i had and still have to the treatment of classified material. The fact she was on Armed Services committee, i was on Armed Services. I got put on there four separate times. I can tell you, if i had classified information on my blackberry, i wouldnt lose it. Its unaccountable. They have 10 unaccountable, 10
blackberrys and they destroyed two. Again, i want to be very clear, steve, the ship has passed. Shes not being indicted. What everybody is seeing this morning are questions about the fbis conduct. Comey made his decision, done. Fine. Shes not indicted. But this was an extraordinarily sloppy investigation, and i would say on this side of it i personally think, you know, cheryl mills, my god, there are people in the Justice Department that are scared to death of cheryl mills, i guess. I cannot believe what she got away with during this process. But if nobody is being indicted, the indictment now is with the fbi but a really, really showed investigation and a wrapup of it. What did comey have the press conference . If youre in the doing to indict her, do have a press conference to make your self feel better, dont release notes to make your self feel better. One, i agree with you. I think a number of the ways fbi handled timing of this release, the interview the secretary of the holiday on a Holiday Weekend and announce on tuesday, i think it was, or monday, youre not going to prosecute her just doesnt look great. I agree with all that. Number two, i dont think, and i think mark agrees with me, i dont think it would have been possible for fbi to say we decided not to prosecute her. Totally disagree. I dont think it would be possible for fbi to say were not going to prosecute her and not offer any explanation or backup for how they reached that decision, just given the nature of this. People who think it was political now would have thought ten times more political if they had done that number three, i think her handling, we said this, all said this, handling of classified email information from her emails was showed. Was terrible. She was cavalier. Requirements under foia,
requirements under National Security. Comey is great, comey has a lot of credibility, then they need to own the report. The report said she might have been hacked. I will take shoddy, fine. I dont think we learned anything about as secretary of state what she did do and didnt do that shows this is about the coverup. This is about the coverup, nothing she did as secretary of state. Mabe things about this report that are new. She property her blackberry into the secure area on the state department floor. She wasnt supposed to do that. Decisions she made as secretary of state. Not handling email. Comey or hillary . Hillary. Theres lots in this report thats new. I dont think the report should have been released. I think comey shouldnt have a press conference. You make a decision not to indict, you can say that and thats it. I really think its not
unprecedented but unadvisable. As unadvisable as president clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch on a plane in phoenix. She brought her blackberry into the state department according to this report. She claims she didnt use it but she brought it in there. We learned blackberrys were smashed with a hammer. When she was done with a blackberry. If youre a normal person and hate your choices, 59 dont like her, 69 dont like him, you woke up this morning hating your choices even more. If youre a republican trying to get to Hillary Clinton, you spend time in a bar and say to your friends, if she cannot lie for eight weeks shell be president. She can be overcome in peoples minds she has a cavalier relationship with the law, maureen dowd has been talking about it for decades and this
makes it worse. A continuing series and more and more for emails as they go through the process for the state department to be released. Shes going to have every week or two, whatever its going to be between now and november, more emails are doing to come out and thats a problem. I will just say, ive been clear, a lot speaks to her judgment. But this is one thing she did and i do think the coverage is out of whack compared to a lifetime of other things shes done and compared to lots of other stuff donald trump has done. I agree with that. This is in the news, something voters should think about, still Unanswered Questions but theres Unanswered Questions about other things. Its one thing she did all day every day. Its not just one thing she did. She made cavalier decision this is the way she wanted to do emails. This is how she communicated with everyone in her life for four years. David ignatius looking at her as secretary of state conducting this way and fbi revealing in
their own very flawed way the problems that happened here, what do you make of this . We know a lot about her performance as secretary of state. I traveled with her followed that week by week. That should be a more important part of the campaign. It tells us about her and how she will behave as president. We know increasingly about these email issues and the feeling that most lawyers had at the beginning that she had administratively made real mistakes in every aspect of this. How the servers were set up, how they were managed, how she interacted with them. That picture deepens with each new revelation but its never seen to most lawyers who looked at this to be something that rises to the level of a criminal violation. The issue is still obstruction of justice not misuse of classified information. So absent a finding on that youre talking about
secretary of state. Id love to see more attention everybody that serves in these positions runs administrative issues about classified information. Obstruction of justice. Not to this level. Not to this level. Joe, youre hearing a different account than i am from people who follow this. Did bob gates run into these problems . Pick. Susan rice . I have never been traveling with a Government Official that some comes person hasnt been furious some procedure wasnt followed. That aside, we really should have more discussion about her performance as isnt of state. Whats her greatest legacy as secretary of state . I would say the best thing she did was give advice to the president that was generally not followed. First of all, i think her advice about egypt, mubarak. Accomplishment working with
another country, accomplishment as secretary of state. You could say she helped get two crucial things going, rebalance to asia, one of obamas legacy issu