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MSNBCW Morning Joe October 12, 2016

Last night. I dont think i want to know about your personal life. With us on set, weve got veteran columnist and msnbc contributor a legend. Managing editor of Bloomberg Politics Mark Halperin. And in nashville, tennessee, Pulitzer Prize winner jon meacham. Less than four weeks and friction within the Republican Party, if you could call it that, what would you call it . Wedges . Its at a new high. Wedgeies. What . Would you call it friction in the Republican Party . No. I would call it a massive food fight. Everybody is doing whats in everybodys best interest. This is in trumps best interest. Maybe everyone ought to have gone with their gut in the beginning and had spines. Would have helped, right . The thing is were going to show this in a second. Everyone is sitting there saying why dont paul ryan completely distance himself from donald trump. The fact is waffling works. Good morning, mika. So good to see you. The fact is that donald trump is actually a lot more popular in the Republican Party than paul ryan. Its not as simple as us sitting around a set in manhattan think it is. On one hand i do think hes half in, half out. Are you behind him or you not . I still endorse him. Voting for him. I will not support him. Whatever that means. On the other hand, hes always been a unique case in that he had to keep a caucus together and help people win elections in places where donald trump is very important popular. Can you redefine what he just said . Is he more popular than paul ryan or more well known . In the Republican Party. His positives well just read it. Look at the survey from usa today. Im about facts and details. Im data driven. Every decision i make even when what i drink, what i eat, zeros and ones. Its the saban metrics of life. I do everything the same. I wake up. Eat the same. Do you not think its true. All right. Look at this survey why usa today completed last night. Extremely high lack of support for donald trump. Among the partys highest Ranking Office holders. Of the 331 republican governor, senators and members of congress, 87 are not endorsing trumps candidacy. Thats more than one in four. One in four. Lets stop right there. Now everybody sneers but in a change election when everybody hates washington, d. C. , is this a bad thing that senators and congressman that have a low Approval Rating arent endorsing a candidate who is running against Hillary Clinton and beat a bush . Im not sure hes handling it positively because being antiwashington change candidate so you say hes fighting. Hes a fighter. George bush did the same thing. Went after Congressional Republicans when he was running. Its helpful in the current environment. Again, if all of the coverage of your campaign is youre fighting with other people and your own party, thats not, i dont think, a great dominant message to have. Well, it is a message that you probably need to have if you were close to political death three or four or five days ago where youre going out and fighting everybody. There was a moment when we tried to chase Newt Gingrich out of of town on a coup and it blew up in our face and people were scared and ran home. I turned to a friend and i said in cases like this, you were either the hunter or you were the hunted. What would you like to be . And we went hunting. Politically. Because if we didnt, we would have been dead. We would have been stripped of our committees. We would have lost reelection. It would have been a nightmare. Donald trump has no choice than to do what hes doing right now. The media cant see past their shear hatred of him. Their uncontrollable shear hatred of donald trump. We can all be offended by what he did. Were still supposed to report, but the shear hatred is stopping analysts from realizing hes doing the only thing he can do right now to keep his campaign alive. Hold the core together and use the last two weeks to expand. Im not so sure that right now this isnt exactly what he needs to do to survive. Yesterday trump leveled a multistate, multiplatform assault on the partys leadership for abandoning him. Began at tweets aimed at the speaker of the house. Despite winning the second debate in a landslide, its hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support. Our weak and ineffective palead, paul ryan, had a bad Conference Call where his members went wild at his disloyalty. Disease loyal rs are far more difficult than crooked hillary. They come at you from all sides. They dont know how to win. I will team them. The media hates them. What do you think someone in iowa, a republican that lost five out of the last six president ial elections in the popular vote when they hear that, what kind of impact . They dont know how to win. Get out of my way. Ill teach them. Get out of the way. It may influence a republican in iowa. It may influence a republican who sort of has an affinity for donald trump. Get people onboard. Expand. That leaves you a week and a half to expand who is going to vote for you and make you president. My point is hes talking to the base that he had during the primary. Hes reassuring them hes fighting a machine. Thats not enough to win a general election. Whats the next step to grow the pie . The thing is he had a chance of losing that core this past weekend. You bring your core together. The troops are scattered on the battlefield. You bring them all together. You get the core together. You move forward. He has to count on two things. One, people feel like Hillary Clinton is disqualified by how they feel about her. Two, hes got to hope for Wikileaks Revelations coming out and, three, Mike Barnicle, he has to hope for the reverse bradley effect that there are millions of people, and i suspect there are, that are saying they wont vote for donald trump will go into a voting booth and vote for donald trump. Wherever we go, we hear it all the time. I dont think its going to maybe he has a 20 chance of winning. I dont think this race is over. Its not over. Its not over until its over. Thank you, yogi. I dont think donald trump is thinking about anyone in iowa or anyone in pennsylvania. I dont think hes thinking about the voters. I think hes only thinking about himself. Hes certainly not thinking about your party, joe, the Republican Party. Of course not. Hes disassembling this party piece by piece by piece. Whats going to happen after the election, job number one, how do you rebuild the Republican Party . Whats left of it . Its going to be fragmented into a certain section of a trump party thats going to be out there for quite some time after this election is over. I think what hes thinking about right now is not iowa, not the Republican Party, not the future of the Republican Party, it will help reporters if they understand this. Hes thinking about survival. Survive this week. End this friday stronger than you ended last week with the tapes when they came out. Ive got to say that right now nobody is talking about billy bush. If he hadnt done this, everybody would be talking about billy bush, access hollywood and that tape. Trump continued to slam Republican Leaders at a private fundraiser yesterday afternoon in san antonio, texas, where according to the Texas Tribune he said leaders forgot there was an election because something happened in the last month where you didnt see them, right . Why arent they on the shows . Why arent they all over the place . Trump brought up ryans 2012 Vice President ial candidacy saying this guy lost four years ago in like a landslide. Last night trump spoke with fox news where he commented more on ryan and explained his tweet. Its so nice that the shackles have been taken off me and i can now fight for america the way i want to. You say, okay, the shackles are off and now i can really do what i want. I mean, what are you going to do that you havent done . Are you going to be more outspoken . I dont think im that outspoken to be honest with you. Come on. Im not outspoken at all. I think ive been very nice. I think we should get support and we dont get the support from guys like paul ryan. He had a Conference Call yesterday with hundreds of congressmen and they practically rioted against him on the phone. One person stuck up for him. If you sneeze, he calls up and announces isnt that a terrible thing. I dont want his support. I dont care about his support. If youre elected president , youre going to need mccain and youre going to need ryan. Youre going to need these guys. Theyll be there. I would think that maybe ryan wouldnt be there. Maybe in a different position. While donald trump had a lot to say about paul ryan yesterday, the House Speaker didnt have much to say about trump. His Office Released a one sentence statement. Paul ryan is focusing the next month on defeating democrats and all republicans running for office should probably do the same. This as the latest you gov poll taken friday through saturday those ryan is less popular with republican primary voters than trump is. Ryan had a 16point net favorable rating. Worth noting, trumps very favorable rating is 34 while ryans is only 13 and its not just republican primary voters. Trump is more popular than ryan among all republicans period. Ryan net positive 23 points to trumps net positive 48 points. Lets keep this up for a very long time and explain its not about paul ryan. I love paul ryan. I have actually ideologically been aligned with paul ryan. You look at these numbers, trump up 20 in favorables over paul ryan. Ryans unfavorables are higher. This is even in among primary voters. This is what the establishment doesnt understand. They will never understand. I saw it declared 14 times in three seconds that paul ryan was the leader of the party. He got 60 million votes. Hes leader of the party. I heard him say it on chris matthews. Bad news. American enterprise institute, the Republican Leadership, and all of the fundraisers, paul ryan is not the leader of the party. The party believes donald trump is the leader of the party. That is the conundrum that every republican from pennsylvania to oregon faces. What do republicans want above all else . They want someone to stop Hillary Clinton from being president and they want washington to be shaken up and fundamentally changed. Paul ryan cant do those two things. Only one person can. I want to talk about a man who is responsible for a picture that many of us will be remembering 50 years from now. That is the photographer in your closet announced you won the Pulitzer Prize. We dont know how he got there. Mika and i are shy about cameras. Wee keep them away from us. You wont see images of us ever. Anywhere. Anywhere. So anyway, you look at those numbers, and i cant help think of the scene that Everybody Loves talking about with Andrew Jackson during his inauguration where he invites the people in and he has to sneak out the back window because they trashed the white house. Thats whats happening to the Republican Party right now. Andrew jackson started a political revolution. Right. This is a classic populist moment. I think when we look back on this, one of the things to study is how brilliantly trump has mastered the culture and the media culture. If this were an election for ringmaster, it would be over. You said it a second ago. Exactly right. Five days ago the question was will he stay in the race because of the access hollywood tape. He understands the way to change that story was, a, the debate but to attack someone else in the center of the ring. He pulls paul ryan in. Before that, he drags poor bill clinton into the center of the ring and surrounds him with accusers. That changes the headlines quickly. Now its paul ryan and the Republican Party, right . And its been this way for a couple years. He really has understood the narrative culture in an intuitive way that i think any candidate Going Forward is going to have to study. That may be the only thing they study about trump. There are two campaigns going on it seems to me. One is you have this ringmaster who is trying to manage and marshal the conservative rououte and you have secretary clinton running as a realist grownup. Theres no more conventional candidate certainly since george h. W. Bush who has put herself forward. So you really have two campaigns that really dont seem to be intersecting very much. You know, Jonah Goldberg tweeted last night. He said donald trump stopped running for president a long time ago and hes now running to put together a tv network. Now, weve suggested that in the past as well. Dont know if thats the case or not. I will tell you if thats what you were doing, this is pretty damn perfect strategy. What youre doing is youre melting down your support to a core. I think his core is still 35, 36, 37, maybe 38 . It may not be today. The more he beats the hell out of washington, d. C. Including his own party, the more that core expands. Maybe slowly but he saves himself politically and if he does start a tv network later, if Jonah Goldberg is right, then this is the move for him. That would be a very lucrative and powerful Television Mark halperin is about to burst. I think youre underestimated the anger in that 38 if he loses to Hillary Clinton. The current people who support him will be really angry. Do you know who theyll be angry at . Angry at the media first. Paul ryan second. Angry at Mitch Mcconnell and the republican establishment. Some of them i think will be really angry at him too. Hes promised hes going to win. He ran for the nomination saying he could only be the one to beat her. Theyre stabbing me in the back. How am iupposed to win if paul ryan and Republican Leaders in washington keep standing me in the back. Some will buy it. Theres an element to this and it refueled itself yesterday in pennsylvania with donald trump. Hes more dangerous than dynamite. Look at those fans. It fits into what mark is saying. Were going to be left the carnage after this election, well be left with i dont know what percentage. 30 , 35 out there who will be more than angry. Theyll be convinced that as he points out consistently now the election is rigged. Its fixed. Its against him and thus its against you. Youre going to have a permanent class, 30 , 35 of the people so bitter and so angry we have it now. Theyre going to have a voice. Theyll have place to go. Lets say he got 40 of the vote. Who would your brother be mad at . My brother would be mad at the media for rigging it. Mad at Hillary Clinton. Hell be mad at Hillary Clinton thinking she should be in jail right now. Hell be mad at paul ryan. Hell be mad at joe scarborough. He will be mad at all of us. Hes not going to be mad at donald trump. None of them are. Is he going to believe the election is rigged . Within two years he builds a media empire that rivals all of the others on cable and the internet. A real truck. Well talk metrics later. Ill ask joe for help on that. Oreilly said dont trash ryan and mccain and these guys, youll have to work with them when you become president. He doesnt care about that. Hes trying to get to the finish line, if he does become president , hell worry about that later. He wants to do whatever it takes to get there. If he doesnt, then hes left as having stood on his principles and he stuck to his guns. The message of his campaign, which is to rail against the establishment and then he has that pocket of people with him after the election. I need to get to these polls. Hes fighting to live another day. Hes not sitting there thinking my first 100 days im wondering Regulatory Reform hes not thinking that. I have to survive another day. Hour to hour. First of all, were going to show you coming up Hillary Clinton and al gore. Its veep on crack. It is. If you watch it and you think veep, you will honestly not be able to concentrate. I was looking for dreyfus through the whole thing. She was there. New National Poll numbers show Hillary Clinton with a ninepoint lead over donald trump after sundays president ial debate. The latest nbc news wall street journal poll gives a snapshot of before and after the debate in a fourway matchup two days before the debate clinton led trump by 11. In the day after the debate, that margin was down to 7. In a twoway race, clinton was leading trump by 14 . 52 to 38 before the debate. After the debate that margin was down to seven as well. So we had heard over the weekend the poll that was taken in the midst of the political storm, which is kind of like going to South Carolina in the middle of a hurricane and saying what do you think of weather in South Carolina . How often does it rain here . Ds it ever rain . Do you approve or disapprove . Do you get wind gusts . Do you disapprove or approve of South Carolina weather . Thats when they took the poll. Come on. So hes down by seven right now. I think the debate probably was not as bad for him as some people suggest. Good lord. Dont open your computer today. Still ahead on for what . Telling the truth . The guy jumped seven points. Did he win the debate mark Halper Halperin . By most ways if you say

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