Deutsche, heidi prsybyl la, good to have you all this morning. Well, so, theyre denying that there is any problem between donald trump f. You have to tweet out a denial that you called the president a moron and you have to hold a press conference denying that, chances are good you called the president a moron. Even you take eight step further, he didnt deny it at the press conference. Why would you deny. I am not going to deny. When you are forced to deny you called the president a moron is a 100 chance you called him a moron. If in fact, in that press conference you dont call, you dont deny calling the president a moron. I want to ask you, you spent a few years in politics, when somebody says i will not dignify or petty, we call that 100 a falsehood. I dont think there is much of a question. There seems to be a twohour gap from the 6 00 in the morning time the story broke and 8 00 a. M. Where trump hit the road pacing and kelly was trying to calm him down t. Problem trump has is i think for a while he is stuck with tillerson, a sue sued pact between mattisson, mnuchin, if one goes, they all go. I think theyre strange bed fellows. Obviously, we know tillerson is a ceo his entire life. Its marred for a ceo to subordinate to another ceo, particularly when one is a pedigree ceo in a fortune 20 ceo, the other was never taken seriousrily in the world of ceos. Thats another quagmire. Yesterday, i had heard about four or five times, even on our morning show, people say theyre both powerful ceos. They dont get along. I get that Rex Tillerson every time he hears that, he has to make his skin crawl. Because donald trump ran a mom and pop operation without a mom and Rex Tillerson ran the Largest Corporation in the world. Different species. And it took a lot more maneuvering. A lot more compromise. He actually had a board he had to deal with. Donald trump, you know, he had to deal with his cat. Its not that they cant get along. Ceos get along all of the time. Senior executives, boards, these relationship, but the key thing here is that donald trump had this almost fetish with ceos, generals, these very powerful men. Hes attracted no that power. Once theyre within his orbit and control, you see some very cutting and very unusual behavior behind the scenesened also in the public with these tweets to kind of undercut them. Emass can you late them almost. On the issue, why have a secretary of state . It seems like hes undercut tillerson almost go down the ledger of the issue, whether it be north korea, iran, of all of the reporting we have is that he undercuts him and he resents him when tillerson prevails. Such as in the instance of the increase in troops in afghanistan. The reporting is that trump resented that. We also have David Ignacious with us in washington. We will begin this morning with something the president said at the white house, bannon still has some wondering exactly what he meant. President trump had dinner with the top military commanders and their spouses at the white house. While posing in the dining room, the president volunteered their ominous comments to reporters. David ignacious, what do you make of those remarks and what do you think he meant . Well, theyre saberrattling. Theyre intended to disrupt to what trump might do. Is that anxiety inside the pentagon or outside the pentagon . Reporter i think its anxiety, its intended to be anxiety outside the pentagon, among our adversaries, particularly im sure in north korea. Also coming over the next week, are significant new announcements about iran and tougher steps the u. S. Will take towards iran and irans proxies around the middle east. That is a storm thats being cranked up in the back room, but when you gat your military leaders and make remarks leak that, thats a signal. Its very deliberate. Its intended to put our adversaries on notice that were prepared to be tough. President trumps tried to send that message every other day. Its a part of his strategy. It makes people nervous and thats i think what he wants to do. And in addition, as i was alluding to before, it makes people nervous inside the pentagon as much as anywhere. They are not to be used in photo ops, we dont do military parade, although, that fact breaks the president s heart every day so this is his version of a sort of a Dining Experience complete with a parade of military officials. This is policy as game show t. President likes to create some anticipation for his cliff hangars. Its a little different to do when military action is at stake and, look, if hes creating some worry for our enemies, he is creating some worry for our allies and frankly for people like me. I prefer to have a little short tea on these decision than have it dangled in a press conference like this. You get the feeling the life blood of trump the adrenaline of trump if there is not some eight created. He is in the alleve. There will be no diagnosis, i poen wont bring my ph. D. Of diagnosing whacky people. There is a tourettes of a need to ruffle the papers. Can you make an architect if there was an underlying strategy, if for example we were trying to headfake kim jongun to a greater purpose other than this ending in a hot war. But when you have scenes like this, days after the president is tweeting out rex forget about it, dont waste your time on diplomacy. What, where are we headed . There is nothing in the last three, four, five, six days that would merit that. So you cant say, okay, this is the fire and brimstone argument. Where did that come from . David ignacious, i know you dont know where it came from. Where are we sitting right now with north korea . Its been quieted by volatile weather and of course the tragedy in las vegas. But this Nuclear Standoff continkompbts continues. Where does that fit into the larger north korean developments . Obviously, we dont know the details bharks we do know is that an effort to engage north korea diplomatically, which was made publicly and privately be i the secretary of state has not been successful t. North korean versus not sent back the message that would allow talks to go forward. Its my assessment tillerson and, indeed the white house would like it to happen. It hasnt happened. One message the president was sending in warning off tillerson was this diplomatic meal is getting cold on the table and were about to walk away. I think that was what they wanted north korea to hear. People forget if we were to take significant military action, move up the ladder in dealing with north korea, it would take about two months to get all the logistical supplies in place to be able to work with and protect our allies. So maybe one of the issues thats ahead is, if were moving into a period of greater confrontation the things that have to begin. Thats within thing. As i said before, i do know, there was a meeting with senior now Security Council officials yesterday, they are preparing a series of announcements about harsher measures to deal with iran as proxies. So thats ahead. Now to this story in this mornings wall street journal, stocks continue their steady march higher, notching milestones not seen in more than 20 years, many investors see fewer obstacles to the seemingly endless run. That headline comes as a usa suffolk poll Shows Americans are optimistic about the recovery for the first time during trumps presidency, 53 say the economy is in a recovery. But despite this, 64 also say the country is on the wrong track, up 21 points, since the beginning of the year and the highest for trump yet. Also in the poll, 57 said they want the next congress to stand up to President Trump. That includes one in five republicans say they want him to cooperate. There is always this belief that people vote their pocketbook and pockbook only. That certainly happens when the economy is doing poorly. Right now you are seeing the stockmarkets continue to rise. Thats certainly positive for a lot of americans and Business Owners. You are seeing the right track go in the wrong direction. I remember 1994, bill clinton had a pretty Strong Economy and yet his Democratic Congress got wiped out in the 94 midterms. A Strong Economy does not always mean that the president in power does well politically in midterm elections. But i think the most important part of those polls, it explains why Business Owners, why a lot of republicans, why people still are putting up with donald trump. Because theyre say, hey, the economy is better now than its ever been before. Ill keep my head down. You turn off the tv to make money. Its a good thing for donald trump. You have to give the president credit for one thing here. He has this magical ability to make people optimistic act the economy, their optimism and their sense of where its going beyond where it actually is. So we se a divergence more and more about people thinking about the economy and where actual jobs are. Look, i think he will ultimately be graded on how things are for people and so to the extent things are Getting Better, it will insulate him between the divisions he korea its to some extent. I know a lot of even in the zip code we live in here, affluent people who begrudgingly voted for donald trump, they said to themself, you know, im going to make more money, he will not screw up my tax, i can live with him. I think now a year into this presidency arc big chunk of those people are willing to possibly sacrifice a buck or two from their pocketbooks. Have you met those people . The people i talk to Business Owners i talk to say full steam ahead, baby the markets doing great. Im making more money than ever before. Like republicans walking the plank. He knew he was a little whacky when we voted for him. The swing democrats, im seeing a little bit, earlier they said screw it, im not voting for hillary, im going to make more money t. Swing democrats that moved over, i see some waivering because there is a human i think there is something to that, i was in a Bowling Alley in macomb county. I was there. Mika and i are always there. I met one of these guys, a jolly fellow, voted for barack obama twice and then voted for trump. I took his number. We talked you know about he felt that this congress was obstructing the president. But on some of these cultural issues, these swing voters were never comfortable with the president. His tweets, his comments about women. These things always made them uncomfortable. I called him after the nfl stuff. And he was angry and i think some of these swing people who yes they want him because hes a businessman, because hell do things for the economy, are turned off by what he may be doing to tensions in this country, cultural tensions. Because they feel, ah, hes doing it to get elected. There are many people voted for him despite thinking he was not fit for the presidency. That is like the central mystery in american politics right now. It makes me wonder about a lot of these people. A difference between unfit and temperament. Clearly they said he didnt have temperament. That didnt automatically mean unfit. Again, donald trump did not run. It wasnt a referendum on donald trump. Correct. This election was a referendum on somebody who had been in government for 40 years and if you look at the honest David Ignacious if you look at the honest and trustworthy numbers of donald trump, they were horrific. The only person in american politics that had worst, honest and trustworthy numbers was hillary clinton. You can talk about Approval Ratings. His Approval Ratings were hor risk. So were hillary clintons. We still, were sort of in a fog still trying to figure out exactly why donald trump won and its hard to answer that question, because the person he ran against had 40 years of political scar tissue on her when people went to the voting booth. Reporter you know, joe, one other great insights of the super economist john maynard caines Economic Life was driven by what he called animal spirits. He couldnt come up with a better phrase than that, animal spirits and sometimes people have them, they just want to buy, they want to invest. They think things will be bet fer theyre Business Owners. Sometimes they dont. For whatever reason. We could debate it for the next hour, donald trump has aroused those animal spirits and people buying in our security markets and maybe out in the real economy and that is the engine of economic growth. You can be worried about the future. You dont like his policy, you dont understand this or that. But that funny thing that kind of raw desire to invest after years of not doing so, maybe thats what were seeing. All right. Still ahead on morning joe, former Vice President joe biden receives an award yesterday that is very near to my heart. One named after my father. Well play for you some of his remarks at the ceremony, including about the time he told Vladimir Putin to his face he had no soul. The response, priceless. Also ahead, former defense secretary under president Clinton William cohen joins us, he was there last night plus two members of congress, democrat amy klopuchar and congressman cush curbelo. Bill, another hurricane . The fact that in 42 hours from now we can have a hurricane over new orleans, lit cause problems, storm surge, especially on the mississippi coast. Right now it came off the coast of honduras. If it will do rapid intensification, it would be today. We dont hear 18 terms, nate is rapidly intensifying, thats great news, 45mileperhour winds right now. So its still kind of small. Its not that big. Its not that powerful. The Hurricane Center does think and bring it up towards the biloxi, mobile area. Sunday about 2 00 a. M. Then its a rainmaker through areas of the appalachian. Cancun 7 00 p. M. During the day, over the open water, sometimes after midnight sunday, definitely expect the impact there. It will be an overnight impact. Hurricane watches are up for this area t. Biggest concern, besides the wind that knocked down trees, minor power outages, will be the storm surge. 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