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MSNBCW Morning Joe November 10, 2017

Number, picked her up and took her to his home in the woods, twice did that. The first time there was kissing and then the second time, he took off her clothes. He took off his own clothes. He touched her over her bra and underwear and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. Nbc news has not independently verified these accusations, corfman never filed a lifl suit. We should know the age of consent then is now 16yearsold, she was 14. Three other women between the ages of 16 and 18 at the time told the post they, too, were pursued by moore. He never forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact. The post indicates the post did not seek them out. Poor calls the report completely false and a desperate political attack. He says it is no surprise, with just over four weeks we maining, in a case in the u. S. Senate with National Implications that the Democratic Campaign would come up with these allegations. He responded i dont have night saying. And here is what we have been hearing from republicans on capitol hill, including Senate Majority leader, Mitch Mcconnell. It is a devastating, nasty story. If the revelations, if thats true, that i dont believe there would be any place for him in the u. S. Naat. Its very, very disturbing, what ive read about. Ill have more to say about it im sure after i learn more. Obviously, what ive heard, its incredible, very serious. If there is any shred of truth to these stories, he ought to step avoid and now. Would he be fit to serve in the senate, if this is true . No, no, no, if there is any sled of trutshred of truth, he o step aside immediately. Most couched it, if the allegations are true. Senator john mccain was much more forceful and definitive. He said so aagain, nicole, your old boss john mccain stepping forward when a lot havent. That clause, if true, lets stipulate. We have four women open the record. Their stories are corroborated by women at the time they told friends, she told her mother a couple of years later. What should republican, what should decent people be saying today . I think every republican there went out to do the right thing. They intended to say and do the right thing. But by saying if the allegations are true, when women, many, many, years later, put their names in the paper, no woman wants to be dragged into a sexual assault, a Sexual Harassment story, so the fact that and i really i think its ignorance, not malice, but every time i hear if theyre true. This is the kind of detailed journalism that the first Harvey Weinstein stories included, no one said, if theyre true. Thats exactly the question, nicole. The question isnt posed to senators, do you believe the allegations . The question ought to be posed, do you believe these women . Thats the question . Four women put their name on a story 30 years later with absolutely nothing to gain. Susan, the reaction from the Moore Campaign is instructive. We heard, we will get into it with local alabama republicans, which is consider the source. This is the liberal media, instead of considering the allegations, consider who is presents these allegations in the wall poshington post. The question is do you believe these women, as nicole said, they put their names out there. The other question of course is what else will we see in the next couple of weeks, this type of thing as we saw in the weinstein, more women tend to come out. So it will be an avalanche thing. I think at this point its up to Mitch Mcconnell to say im no longer putting funding into this race until we see, you know, if he wants to do the wait and see report, at least he can now hold back funding. Heres a sad probable lot to this story, if no other women come forward and this continues as is, hell get elected. Thats the tragic part. I believe the Republican Congressmen punched out a reporter on national television. I generally believe the passion and the ignorance to keep the status quo as it is when it comes to race, when it comes to a guy who has gone up and said homosexuality should be against the law. I genuinely believe we are still at a state in this country where he will get elected. That is tragic. Is that the lesson from donald trump as he powered through the access hollywood tape, go through it, people will rally around you, maybe you will come out of it . It certainly was the case for donald trump. For roy moore, its another question. One of the things that happened as in virginia and new jersey and other places is democrats were kind of on the fence about the question that they were going down to make a push in alabama. If you see republicans running away from moore, if the part abandons him in terms of it support and money, if democrats make a push there with their candidate who is not a bad candidate for alabama, this race can get pretty tight, very fast. I understand donnys point, there are a lot of places where republicans in red countries are unacceptable and survived. I dont know whether given the climate and the focus on these issues, this race could with just a little bit of the right kind of chips fall the right way, this race could end up being a race, they could win a month from now, if it happens, it will be the biggest most dramatic political manifestation of this moment right now we are living through with respect to these issues. It will test conservative media, too. The first media outlet to surround him is breitbart. They said the only won that would be illegal is molesting a 14yearold. You saw on fox news, he had a lot of defenders. This will test the conservative Media Outlets that defend someone like roy moore is known to be a pedophile if you dont believe the women, that has to be reliving some of their worst moments. Two, its going to test whether or not this toxic slogan of fake media has made people fake news has made people immune to facts. You have a uniquely receptive audience in the state of alabama and this is going to be a real test for that. How about that lovely state auditor with the bible defense, was that the most amazing . You have it, thats, im sorry, im here to tease it up. I was talking about this earlier, daniel dale is a washington correspondent for the toronto star. A reporter compiling a reaction to moore from public figures in alabama. Among them, marion care david hall said it was 40 years ago, i really dont see the relevance of it. He was 32, she was supposedly 14. Shes not saying that anything happened other than they kissed. Actually, thats not true. Thats not true. There was genevaia signman, saying, other than being an under aged person, he didnt force himself. I know thats bad enough, if he withdraws, its five weeks to the election. That would concede it to the democrat. He later added, while he doesnt believe the allegations are true, if they are true, he said its not Forcible Rape adding i know that 14yearolds done make good decisions. How about 30yearold hemen . Has the politics so corrupted people that the defense of the tribe supersedes a 14yearold girl saying she was raped . Is that where we are . Thats where we are. 14. I would have a question that i would like to pose for all the good people, enormous numbers of good people in alabama, birmingham, alabama, if a 32yearold man came into your driveway to ping up your daughter, what would your reaction be . It would shoot them. Covington, county republican chairman women blocker tells dale, quote, there is no option to support the jones, the democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat Party and state auditor said, quote. This is the worst. Take joseph and mary, mary was a teenager and joseph was an adult carpenter, they became parents of jesus, thats not a parody, thats not the onioning im not making that up. That is an actual quote from a republican official in the state of alabama . Whats happening to us . We set this backdrop against louis c. K. Stuff, all the things we are hearing, whats happened to us . Where are we going in is there such deviancy that lives in so many men, are we still in a world as we saw those defenses that the humanity is sucked out of so many people . My daughter is 14yearsold. Shes a little girl. You have to picture it. If you knee 14yearold, pick that, now visually pick this 32yearold slime bag attorney actually coddling up to her, just play that movie out in your head. He picked her up at a custody hearing of all things. We only have a huge following in alabama, we are the number one. By far. If you have kids, look at your children, man. You know, there is obviously a larger issue with everyone thats gone on recently over the past few years, can you almost hear the nuts and bolts of the under straur u structure of our culture loosening as everything becomes more permissible. Everything becomes more public. The longer its public, it becomes in an odd way sort of acceptab acceptable. How do we get to the stage electing a democrat is worse tan electing a deviant . So right now, moore appears to have a sixpoint lead. It puts moore at 48 and doug jones the democrat at 42. Senator luther strategy who moore defeated in the prime area, senator Lisa Murkowski won after a successful writein bid said she has spo ento strange about that point when asked if he should run as a writein candidate, Richard Shelby said hed support him, to which strange respond, thank you. It is too late to take moores name off the december 7th ballot. If he steps aside, any votes will not be certified, as far as switching candidates, there was such a case in new jersey into 2002. You remember a democratic senator tried to pull out of the race, torricelli. Democrats went to court to replace him with frank lautenberg. Lautenberg went on to easily win that election. This brings us back to politics here, right. This is a sixpoint race. Thats not that far outside. In alabama, you go back to tuesday night, wednesday, howard dean saying this is a race democrats can win a. Winnable race, tough before the write in. Ill say as we head into 2018, you got a todd aiken six here where this will have reverbations outside of alabama. We may have the horror of roy moore winning this race, now you will have republicans all over the country in districts not alabama in suburban districts asked the question over and over again, what do you think about roy moore . Are you on roy moores side . Do you believe the women . This is going to be another, just from the suburban districts where republicans are in a bad w way. Again this is todd aiken times five. The way the current electoral landscape looks where democrats can easily win. This will be a issue they will be dealing with, toxic issue, all thanks to steve bannon who brought us roy moore in the first place. So this has wide broad reverb racing over the next 12 months. The worst thing that can happen is roy moore win, this is the party of pedophiles, the party of physical abusers, so you make him one of the posterboys, short sided, obviously, the republicans want him in there. I think its a move. Carolele lee, john raises the point this was a candidate in roy moore, not a beloved one lets say by members of the senate up there currently. So if you talk to people, we heard the if true clause, but do you think the drum beat will get so big that he will have to drop out of the race or some people, conservatives, if he won he ought to be expelled from the senate. That was on background reporting from senators, himself. Reporter i think you are right, willie, either way you seen the republicans, including the leadership who really dont have any interest in having roy moore in the senate. If you step back, this was already how they felt when he won the primary this has fueled that, i think you are going to see. I think it depends in part on how roy moore responds in the coming hours and days. Does he come out and address it . Does he answer questions about this . And does anything he say, you know, hold any weight . Can it be believable. But you are absolutely right in the sense, i think you will increasingly see republicans just taking a step back from him. Nicole, before we go to break, i want to under line again, you seen from become become republicans some muddying of the waters here, she was supposedly 14. No, she was 14, it was 1979 all they did is kiss. Se said the quote in the story, i just wanted it to end. I just wanted it to end and by the way, there is a whole another layer we will talk about later her life was altered by this day. Every womans life is altered. They never get those years back. So these comments about consider the woman, the source, the Washington Post, its repulsive to dismiss a womans allegations that way. I dont know what to use other than deprav, the depravity of anyone defending him, or circleing the wagons and make this a fake news story is appalling. This isnt about the media. This is about four women going about their lives in alabama t. Quotes in this story are unbelievable. Someone had to take his mask off. That was one of the accusers, to see the minutes after this story broke, they say the only legal problem he has is the 14yearold. No the problem he has is hes an an pam, hes an animal and republicans are waiting to see if its true. And some are invoking jesus christ as a comparison to excuse his behavior. Still ahead, a new report says the president sees himself as almost keenly power, which he is describing with increasing bluntness. Explains a lot. Plus the president hammers his two most recent predecessors, barack obama and president george w. Bush. His Vice President is taking a different approach. Mike pences role in washington and who he is talking to outside washington. You are watching morning joe. Well be right back. Us. Its what this country is made of. But right now, our bond is fraying. How do we get back to us . The y fills the gaps. And bridges our divides. Donate to your local y today. Because where theres a y, theres an us. 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Dont let anything slow you down. Visit invisalign. Com. Welcome back to morning joe. It will be a cold day, wind chill in the teens they say, in the teens. So joe was writing this morning in the Washington Post it proves it. American politics are a disaster. This has been a pipe dream for too long, its been a pipe party, its never worked with a candidate that has a chance to win. Is it different . Is it getting different . I spent the last weekend out with the trump voters, the democrats who had voted for trump in pennsylvania and ohio and theyre still enthusiastic about him but as much as they love him, you look at the 67 of the country thats appalled by him and repelled by him. I do think, ive never been a fan, a proponent, a believer that a third party can do anything other than serve as sa spoiler for the party with which he or she is most aligned. I think were in this moment. Mike and i were talking about the book the unwinder by george packer, we are unravelled, we are unwound, we need to be updated and could unwound. I think as we sort of all are on our knees, there is an openness to something different. But it would have to be built around competent not ideology. I think something that repels people is this tribalism, the defending of the indefensible because theyre in your tribe. I think a Third Party Movement would have to be based around that which is competent, not ideological and that which is grass roots. We saw that. Every other area of our life, we have more choices than ever before, we grew up with six tvs, there used to be two peanut butters, now there are 100. Thats not a good thing, standing there for like an hour. This is the only area in modern western civilization that has not eva fld to kind of more choices. We still live in this a or b world and we are not in an a or b world. So i dont have a prescription, but i do not, its not mirror who we are anymore. Which is take one, take the other or go home. But in new york, syracuse the fifth largest city, elected mayor on tuesday that did not come from a major party, who ran as an independent with 54 of the vote. As a matter of fact, he came from a prominent republican family, but the fact that he was able to get 54 of the vote in a democratic city and now goes in as an independent, it does show on the grass roots level with the right candidate, people are open to it. So we are starting to see a little break here and there. John, if you look at last year, donald trump is not a republican. He was a vetting candidate who ran, Bernie Sanders isnt a democrat. In fact, hes not a democrat, hes an independent, that spirit is there. The question is can you run without the

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