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MSNBCW Morning Joe September 16, 2020

And floridas panhandle. Well go live to pensacola for the latest. Talking to friends up there right now, and man, they say it is rough. Plus, some stunning admissions from President Trump in a town hall interview on abc news that aired last night, including a slip of the tongue that might have revealed his true strategy for combating the coronavirus that would mean for the potential of millions more dead so, when he said, its going to go away, he may have meant it well explain that and our big interview this morning. Bob woodward joins us at the very top of the 7 00 hour of morning joe. Along with joe, willie and me, we have White House Reporter for the associated press, Jonathan Lamire, former aide to the george w. Bush white house and state departments, elise jordan. But lets start with the state of the president ial race with 48 days to go until the election, the latest cnn ssrs poll out of wisconsin likely voters has biden with a tenpoint lead over President Trump in that state, 52 42 while the latest morning consu consult poll in the state has biden up by nine points, 51 42 . Willie, lets just start there and look at wisconsin. This is a state that was considered by the Trump Campaign and the industrial midwest to be the most favorable for them. I think its very illuminating that all of the polls after june 1st, when donald trump cleared out the park of Peaceful Protesters on june 1st to hold his bible upside down i think its very instructive that his poll numbers dropped then. Afterward, Jonathan Lamire reported, and well talk to him about this in a second, that the white house staff went back and highfived each other because they actually thought violently removing Peaceful Protesters so the president could hold a bible upside down was they called it iconic. Yes, like Michael Dukakis in the tank was iconic, and like gary bauer flipping pancakes and falling backwards off the stage. Yes, those were iconic moments, too. Poor gary. Poor gary you know what . There, by the grace of god, go on thats right. But you look at wisconsin, and this is really you can look at the numbers since donald trump praised a 17yearold outofstater coming in to kill people on the streets of kenosha, saying that he was sort of going to protect property and doing it illegally, as far as, you know, running around with an ar15. These wisconsin numbers have so solidified since donald trump began, tried to try out what he considered to be law and order that looked like a lot of chaos, and a lot of those wisconsin voters appear to be saying, no, thanks weve got a tenpoint spread in wisconsin, and it has ironically enough now, since kenosha, become actually bidens strongest swing state. Yeah, that number really jumped off the screen yesterday, because as you say, they had sort of written off michigan, the Trump Campaign, and thought wisconsin was the place where they could hold on to the midwest. They, of course, won by a tiny sliver in 2016 there, but it was key to his victory over Hillary Clinton. And now youre seeing, at least in this cnn poll, and also in the monmouth poll, a doubledigit and a ninepoint spread so, yeah, theres a combination of things at work, which is number one, kenosha. Clearly, some of the voters in wisconsin didnt like the way the president s talking about their state. And the other piece of it is, if you look inside the cross tabs, far and away the number one concern of voters in the state of wisconsin right now is coronavirus, is the pandemic, and they are watching Bob Woodwards book roll out they are listening to the president on tape. They know in their own communities how this is going and how the president has handled it by the way, theres a ton more inside this book that were going to talk to bob woodward about, about the president ignoring warning signs from his own advisers were going to get into all of that with bob woodward, but this is top of mind, whether youre in wisconsin or pennsylvania or North Carolina or florida. This is whats at the middle of peoples lives and if you listen to him and we will in a minute the president in that town hall with George Stephanopoulos last night, this is a man adrift. He has no handle whatsoever on whats going on. He still wants it to magically go away. Hes proposing herd immunity, which would kill millions of people, and saying a lot of people dont like to wear masks. So, top of mind, coronavirus, and hes not on it well, and last night just not. He again, its remarkable that there are actually people in the Trump White House who are looking forward to the debates, because this man last night made admiral stockdale look like lincoln at gettysburg its very clear, even four years into the job, he doesnt understand the issues, he doesnt know the issues, and 200,000 dead americans into the coronavirus, hes still stumbling around with no strategy, and he actually, talk about a freudian slip, he comes out and talks about herd mentality, then gets to herdapproved, or whatever he said, and i think we should play this lets play it one second, because this is incredible, because its not that hes stupid he is but its that he doesnt care that 2 to 3 Million People may die, when he talks about herd immunity but doesnt even get the phrase right this is someone who doesnt care. Here it is. It is going to disappear. Its going to disappear. I still say that it would go away without the vaccine, george, but its going to go away a lot faster with it it would go away without the vaccine . Sure, over a period of time, sure with time, it goes away. With many deaths. And youll develop like a herd mentality its going to be herddeveloped, and thats going to happen that will all happen herd good god. Herd mentality and herddeveloped theyve just explained, lamere and me, talking about the red sox. But Jonathan Lamire, donald trump last night did something quite extraordinary. He admitted, out loud, that after 200,000 dead americans, he has now reverted back to where the british started, where Boris Johnsons people started, talking about herd immunity, and then immediately were rushed off of that when they figured out how many dead brits there would be donald trump has stumbled back onto it. And i just want to go back to what willie geist said, because you look at wisconsin and you go into those numbers, and yes, law and order is very important there, but coronavirus is the key issue, and you have some older people in wisconsin who are very concerned that donald trump still doesnt know what hes doing when it comes to this onceinacentury pandemic so, talk about that and talk about the ten points the tenpoint lead right now whats the white houses response to wisconsin seeming to slip beyond their fingertips, at least for now . Joe, i think the most important takeaway last night, the overarching theme, is that this president still has no message when it comes to americans who think hes done a poor job handling the pandemic and we know in public polling, thats the majority of americans. The president has no ability to listen to their concerns or suggest that things could have gone differently or sort of recognize and identify with their suffering, because theyve lost a loved one or they, themselves, got sick, or they lost a job theres been none of that, no ability to show empathy or signify any sort of course correction the white house has said herd mentali mentality. Theyve said over and over that herd immunity i did the freudian slip there, too the herd immunity is not a plan. Thats not what theyre looking to do, but it was really telling last night that the president seemed to zero in on that. And one of his newest advisers, scott atlas, one of the doctors, has talked up that subject as a possibility, though again, he has later, when pressed, said thats not an actual recommendation but that is what this, from the beginning, we know, joe, in the last few months that the Trump Campaign feels that, any day that theyre not talking about the virus is a daythat they ca win. Thats a fight they want to have the problem is, thats what the American People want to talk about. Theyre consumed with the pandemic and how it impacts their daytoday life, and this strategy is not working, and those wisconsin numbers are so telling. Im glad were starting here today, because youre right. Of the three great lakes states there that we know michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin the Trump Campaign, unless their map looks very different than 2016, the strategy all along is of those three, they needed one and wisconsin was always seen as the most likely, from the beginning, and particularly in recent months, recent weeks after the violence in kenosha. They leaned hard into law and order. They thought that was a winning message. And so far, that has not played out that way wisconsinites are certainly, of course, concerned with law and order, but they dont like the president s messaging on it, according to these polls, and theyre far more concerned about the pandemic and they feel that he has let them down. And if wisconsin slips away and we already know that michigan is quite the longshot for this president then suddenly, youre asking for pennsylvania and the polls have pennsylvania closer, but we know thats joe bidens state, as weve talked about on the show. That is a hard thats a tough haul for the president to win pennsylvania and if he goes 0 for it 3 in the great lakes, his map becomes extraordinarily difficult. Its a good point and again, were not just talking about one poll in, you know, the middle of march. Willie, were talking about poll after poll after poll since kenosha that has shown joe biden expanding his lead in wisconsin, which was supposed to be the friendliest state to him, especially in the upper midwest. Michigan already, many people in the Trump Campaign consider that gone, quite some time ago. I suspect that will tighten up, too. But still, theyre not counting on it. And pennsylvania, i dont see how they get there from here i know the polls are tightening, but boy, that would be the last state id want to depend on, if i were donald trump. But willie, talking about the coronavirus and were going to get to this mask comment. This mask statement in a minute but just think about, again, the message that he is sending hes pushing to get College Football back on the field yesterday we heard from the National Champion coach, the coach from the National Championship lsu tigers, saying, basically, hey, everybody on my team has coronavirus now, sure, its not everybody on his team, but this is spreading like wildfire through a lot of College Campuses and through this Football Team its going to be interesting to see what the truth ends up being about lsu. But people see that, and they see the president getting angry in his answer on the coronavirus is, lets force young kids to go out and play College Football. And again, its just stupid its just its deadly. If youre in a oshkosh and youre seeing the president saying this and youre like, i like the badgers, i like football, but do we really want to have one superspreader event after another . Yeah, its dangerously irresponsible, obviously, the way he talks about it, and particularly last night the herd immunity, which he hung his hat on now, all of a sudden, as the new strategy, i guess, out of the white house. Were talking in shorthand, we should be clear about what that means. It means enough people either have the vaccine or contract coronavirus and then develop the antibodies that the herd, the country, 328 million of us, is immune to the disease. Now, to get there, mika pointed to this, most Public Health experts believe that 2 million or 3 Million People would die because people contract it and they dont survive it. So, the idea is to let the disease run its course thats what herd immunity means, and thats where the president is as of last night on a national strategy. He also talked about masks in that town hall, said a lot of people say masks are not good. George stephanopoulos asked the president , who says masks are not good . A lot of people dont want to wear masks there are a lot of people think the masks are not good and there are a lot of people that, as an example who are those people . Ill tell you who those people are waiters. They come over and they serve you and they have a mask and i saw it the other day where they were serving me and theyre playing with the mask im not blaming them im just saying what happens theyre playing with the mask. So, the mask is over, and theyre touching it and, and then theyre touching the plate. That cant be good so, at least the guy who brought President Trump his lunch the other day was playing with his mask, so we shouldnt have masks i mean, people, honestly, as a public good, people should sit if they didnt and watch that town hall start to finish and ask themselves if this president and this white house has a handle on the most serious crisis to face this country in a generation you know, im just spitballing here, but what do you think are the odds that that was a waiter or a waitress at a trump hotel or a trumpowned business because where else would donald trump be eating out and using Government Resources to protect him but at a Trump Organization establishment . You cant make up how horrible last night was its amazing to me that donald trump did the event. I mean, i think its great we need to have more opportunities, the president speaking with a moderator who is actually going to challenge and follow up. We saw yesterday where donald trump begged at the end of fox friends for a weekly spot again, and fox friends was luke warm on it and said they hadnt decided yet so, maybe doing more of these events, someone in the white house thought this was a good idea i dont think it necessarily helps the president because you get to see just how detached from reality he is and all of the new quack theories that hes going to spout, returning to herd mentality after so many months of failure with the coronavirus pandemic it really just takes your breath away and there was another horrible moment, too, when he just couldnt empathize with a woman who had recently lost her mother from Breast Cancer and kept talking about covid. I dont know if we have that clip, but its just really bad. Yeah. Alex, do we have that clip, because we might as well show that clip, and then i want to go to pensacola and see whats going on there but elise, thats a great point. But im not so sure, mika, that even going on fox friends is safe for him anymore, because they had to sit there in pain listening to donald trump talk about austria and how things are better in austrias forest cities okay, well where they sweep like, it i dont know ive never actually visited all of austrias forest cities where they sweep the ground of pine needles, but thats what donald trump was saying the fairies do it oh, on fox friends. Exactly. I was like, i was wondering which lord of the rings that was, and if liv tyler was going to walk out of one of those austrian cities, forest cities but no, he embarrasses himself wherever he goes and so, again, thats why its so preposterous, if joe biden has a dangling participle in one sentence, everybody goes crazy, and this guy is stumbling around talking about herd mentality well, youve got the polls out of florida, which well get to and also, speaking of other countries, the new report, front page of the Washington Post countries around the world agreeing with wisconsin voters that trump is failing on this pandemic but heres the exchange elise mentioned last night in that abc town hall. President trump fielded a question from a woman who says she immigrated from the Dominican Republic and recently lost her mother last month she had Breast Cancer, but it made metastasize on her brain and lung she passed on 19 one of her dreams was to become a citizen, and she did she did ten days before she died and i did it, too. She pushed me so hard to do it, and i did it this past im here because of her. She was supposed to be here and ask you and thank you for the stage you take during this epidemic you made people closer we lost our job, but we learned how to love our family so, im saying that from her very nice her question for you was because she write this question what will you do for our immigration system what will you change to make more people like me and like her to become citizen and vote so, we are doing something with immigration that i think is going to be very strong, because we want people to come into our country, people like you and like your mother and that just shows how vicious when you have another problem you have a heart problem or another type of a problem. Did you have covid you didnt have it, right . No. You didnt have it. Your mother. Well have it taken care of. Its going to get taken care of. And so, Jonathan Lamire oh, god. Again, this is you know, theres always that question on polls that is so telling, and usually predictive who cares about people like me will be the question on the poll and thats just one more small example of the difference between joe biden and donald tru trump. Bidens doing so much better than the president when it comes to that question, in large part because joe biden is empathetic, and even those close to donald trump will admit that its always been a blind spot for him. If this is the question thats going to decide the election, joe, then its a landslide. I mean, theres no question. This is something that the president has never shown any real ability to connect with real voters, to display sort of empathy, and its dated from his early days in office where hes responded to other terrible tragedies. And that could be a mass shooting, or of cou

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