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MSNBCW MSNBC Live May 5, 2017

Term political ramifications. The economy added 2011 new jobs. It dropped to a tenyear low but Oil Prices Also plunged below 44 a barrel overnight. Ill tell you what thought means later in the show. Kelly odonnell is following the latest. And mike, hello. Donald trump tweeted was a big win earlier. They had victory celebration in the rose garden yesterday. What are we hearing from the white house this afternoon . Well, i think the president s branding is leading the way here. A big, big win from President Trump on what happened with the house. But there is an acknowledgement from the white house that there are more steps, critical steps and there will likely be changes to the bill that was so hard for republicans to finally settle on when they were able to push it thugh house. Today at the wte house briefing, one of the things has remained a question, and there are some uncertainties about how it would have a real world impact, the issue of those dealing with existing conditions. They have a medical condition that can make it more difficult and expensive to acquire Health Insurance, and by virtue of being older americans, those over 50 but not yet qualifying for medicare at age 65, the provisions that would allow insurers to charge more with the actuarial presumption they would use more services from health care providers. And so today that question of, can the president guarantee that they will not end up paying more . There was a back and forth with our colleague kristin welker. In today for sean spicer, sarah sanders. And sean spicer was off today because he was doing his reserve duty. Yes. He was. I thought we were going to the sound bite of sarah sanders. You offered that very convincingly as if we were. Did i that lean in which is a cue for the sound bite. Her expectation was that there will be additional changes and it is the president s goal there would be a reduction in cost overall. First were talking about the house bill only. So it is not in the real world t. The magic of the ear piece tells me that they have it now. Can you guarantee americans, People Living with preexisting conditions, seniors, that they wont see likes in their premiums . It was for people with preexisting conditions were protected. The final bill added an additional 8 billion to go a step further to provide another layer of protection. It is just not enough money. Thats not the only piece of that it has coverage for preexisting conditions. Again, the president wanted to focus those that were most vulnerable. And so the white house expressing the president s goals with some sort of by absence of saying any acknowledgement, that yes, it is unknown how this will play out. While they stay 8 billion is insufficient, it would help pass it believing would it support accessibility for those deemed to have preexisting conditions. Were not talking about people in the Employer Health market. If you have insurance through your employer, were not talking about that. But those who need to buy insurance on their own. These are questions will need to be asked over time and it could change when the Senate Begins doing its o tinkering. Right now the white house is trying to talk about the upsides as they see it as critics are saying, we need to know what this will cost and those in the vulnerable population. It would be nice to have the cbo score. You got that clip just by sheer fofrs will because you stared down the camera until we got it. To that point, the senate will take its time on the health bill. Senator Lindsey Graham tweeted that a bill finalized yesterday has not been scored, amendments not allowed, and three hours final debate should be viewed with caution. Saying its nuts, whats next . The animosity between the house and the senate, never mind between republicans and democrats. The institutional rival 50 as old as this building im standing in. It goes deep and long. Minus the 20 that voted against it, they are also glad to send it to the senate where no one knows what will happen. We heard the Republican Leaders in the aftermath say they would take their time. They formed a working group to have republicans with several of the members about, a dozen or so. This will take weeks, if not months. One thing working to their advantage is that they do not need a filibuster proof majority of 60 them only need 50 with Vice President pence as a tie breaker. There are 52 republican senators right now but many more than expressed reservations, as kelly was talking about. Many republicans come from states that use the expanded medicaid under obama medicare. The age fax kelly was talking about. Were all talking about the lack, to know how many are lose their insurance because of it. The last iteration, it was 24 million. It resulted in contentious town Hall Meetings last recess. Next week, perhaps one advantage per versely or ironically, there is no Congressional Budget Office score. As they push it through anyway, going to the white house afterwards, celebrating with President Trump but of course, obamacare is still the law of the land if and when and until d passes it. Akes something up kelly odonnell, to mikes point. I want to play a quikt clip of ed markey talking about this bills chance in the senate. You have to pay close attention. Its quick. Right now to a certain extent the republicans are searching for a unicorn. What can make the far right wing Freedom Caucus in the house happy while at the same time making moderate republicans in the senate happy . Good luck in finding that political unicorn. I do not think that it is possible. Its a toughy. And i especially appreciate the boston accent for unicorn. We all do. He lived in the house before he became a senator. He knows these divisions on a personal level. It is a tough thing to do. For people less familiar with how this works, you have senators by virtue of the fact they have an entire state do represent citizens of the other political party. And so you find that it is more challenging in the senate for them to just go by the more confined district only red states that some in the house have had the political barrier where theyre protected by that. That many are like minded. In the senate it is broader than that and you have so few moderates. And those who do exist are also unsure about this even within the republican conference. There are some who arent sure about the ways to go forward with this. So it will be difficult. Any senate outcome has to still be passed by the house. It is the roadblock. Just looking at your picture, it feels like the world is coming to an end with all the rain so maybe theres hope getting out of here without getting soaked. It has eased up. Last night, sharon brown of ohio went on a tweet storm. He identified 90 preexisting conditions that he says may justify insurance raising your premiums. Here they are. Like kidney disease, congestive heart failure, cancer can mean being priced out of your insurance plan. Asthma, hysterectomy, lupus, stenlts, sleep apnea. It is like reply people suffer from one of these conditions or know someone who does. Insurance companies couldnt charge you more than other individuals in your area for having one of these conditions. In your demographic. But under the republican plan, they might be able to. There are certain conditions under which they might. The founder of bold tv, and Andrew Reuben, good to see both of you. Let me start with you. This is the problem that obamacare had one thing and that was the he have insurance policy written in this country had to cover certain basics. Er rt the president has said he doesnt want to see people charged for preexisting conditions and they wont be. This is like, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor moment. The problem was that was the very problem with the structure of obamacare. Loading up things for people who dont have a need. If youre a man, i dont think youre going to get pregnant. But prostate cancer. I would like the split the cost of both our maldid is. I think people should be understanding more about what is happening with their health care. I want to talk about the cbo scoring and the lack of it. The cbo has been so far off. Medicare part d. By 2013, 30 overshot. We have a cbo. If it is broken, fix it. Are we going to pass bills without knowing . I agree. The problem is that when it comes to health care, there are so many variables. The freer we can make it, the more we can have costs driven down which is what we saw. Obamacare scoring by cbo predicted 22 Million People enrollment. Only 10 million enrolled. As well as they thought the Insurance Companies would be profitable. They were not profitable. I feel like cbo is fake news. Is there any free market insurance system that youve ever heard of in it feels like theyre profit making organizations who dont insure sick people if they don he to. It is for a profi making system. Thats what we have in this country and most people like that concept. The voters didnt want socialized medicine. But there are a couple things people need to understand. Number one. Preexisting conditions. We all, even if we dont have them today, were one preexisting condition away from someone impacted by. This i have to say this. The whole concept of Health Insurance is to protect yourself for something that may not happen. And the very underpinning of that is everybody has to be in it. If youre lucky, are if im lucky, well never get cancer. The whole concept is that im going to pay into it in case my neighbor gets it, in case you get it, my mother gets it, if someone gets it, the insurance is there. You cant have a stable and balanced Insurance Market works for everybody if youic and choose who gets on buy what in the market. It falls apart. So every other industrialized nation in the world has come to that conclusion. That it has to be the biggest pool you can get. Theyre not all single payer and they do work very well. Why is america so insist tent that your insurance isnt just for your pregnancy or my cancer. The difference was, i would give the analogy of a bicycle helmet. He wanted 20 helmet. Youve got a helmet. Whereas obamacare was a 200 helmet. So we have to make sure we have the plans that meet the margaret place. The more we can do that with the free market. We do this as a car insurance. As a woman i have lower rates. I dont have he is the toss troenl and im more passive behind the wheel. So we do that already. We do it with other differentials as well. This already happens and we see the prices as we have, go down. I want to turn camera back to that wall. The content of Sherrod Browns tweets and the 91 preexisting conditions. And the problem is this. There is no free market. If i have this list of stuff, if i have a box i have, my cost will go up. And i will make a choice. Explain to me how we are going to get there. You said we dont want a socialistic health care system. Most do. They have Better Outcomes and charge less. Australia has a hybrid system. They have a base package and then insurance on top of that. You have to understand how Health Insurance works in this country. Bottom line, everybody has to be in it and it has to work for everybody by having everybody pay. It almost doesnt matter how you get there. Different countries had use different ways but we have to have in it there. 10 Million People signing up under obamacare, thats a lot of people sflt it 20 s . No. Should it have been 30 million . Maybe. A lot of those people wont have insurance if this passes next year. I want to differentiate between it on paper. The difference with the socialized countries is a two tiered system where you have the elite of the elite and then everyone else. Thats not the case in the u. Sxrks canada. The. It is very the cost is a fraction. There is no country in the world that pays as much per personal. 9,700 per person. Were also the fattest country. We dont focus on prevention. Doesnt the doctor, doesnt it show if we go to a doctor for a regular basis, theyll singled for mammograms, theyll tell you youre too fat and youre going to get diabetes and heart disease. So we all know about the medicaid study that shows people who had medicaid versus those who didnt. This was the gold study many oregon which was very perfectly set up in terms of the correlations. There was no difference between having medicaid and not. Smoking, lifestyle choices. These are things that our culture we know. As human being, you dont need doctor to tell you dont be obese. I think these are common sense things that the trump voters are motivated. Neutral zone government reimbursement but the freer we can make it, the lower the cost. Donald trump has been tweeting about Australian Health care. Of course australians have Better Health care than we do. Everybody does. Obamacare is dead but our health care will soon be great. My fear is the change we saw yesterday, it is not a law yet. It is not going in the direction of getting our health care better. Health care reform, obamacare, you and i have been talking about it a long time. There are structural problems with it. People so against it. The premiums have skyrocketed. They can get insurance in their home town. They cant see the doctor they want to see. They cant go to the hospitals they want to go to. Blowing it up and kicking all these people out of their plans isnt a good solution. I want to say one more thing about these high risk. People dont remember what they were. What we had before obamacare. Half the states, it could be less, closed their high risk pools. They were not accepting any more members. They were bankrupt. People couldnt get into they will. It was a disaster. Lots to talk about but well have to come back and do it again. Thank you to both of you. Im going to have to watch my weight after that one. Coming up next, the impact. House gop impact on states. Ill talk to charlie crist. When a fire destroyed the living room. We were able to replace everything in it. Liberty did what . Liberty mutual paid to replace all of our property that was damaged. And we didnt have to touch our savings. Yeah, our insurance wont do that. Well, there goes my boat. You can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. Liberty stands with you™ Liberty Mutual insurance you need one of these. You wouldnt put up with an umbrella that covers you part way, so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day . Aleve, live whole not part. Tell you what, ill give it to you for half off. You realize the smartest investing idea, isnt just what you invest in, but who you invest with. Hey youve gotta see this. Cno. N. Alright, see you down there. Mmm, fine. Okay, what do we got . Okay, watch this. Do the thing we talked about. What do we say . Its going to be great. Watch. Remember what we were just saying . Go irish see that . Yes im gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. Find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. The Gop Health Care bill is one step closer to being the law of the land. It is time to take a look at a key provision. The high stakes rules. In theory people with preexisting conditions would be quarantined off from healthy people. The government would then subsidized some of the increased cost being insured in a high risk pool. It is not a perfect plan. For starters, the government has 8 billion set aside for people who pay more because they have a preexisting condition for five years. Even if writ properly funded and no one thinks it is, there are questions whether or not the system actually works. We just touched on that with Andrew Reuben in my last segment. Heres a plan who can help me get into it a little more. Charlie crist from florida. He was a governor in florida that did have a high risk pool. Youre coming at this from a unique position. Your state used high risk pools. In 2011, 0. 02 of floridians not enrolled in a group market like i am because i work for somebody were part of a high risk pool. That seems like a very low number. I think it is a low number because who wantso be in a high risk pool . What we have now is working. It is not perfect as you just discussed in the last segment. What we have under the Affordable Care act, and youre right. It is important to the point out. A lot of people are frightened about this bill. It is not yet a law. Thats why it is so important to communicate with your u. S. Senators and encourage them to slow this thing down. To be more thoughtful. To be more considerate. To be more kind to people. This is really about people and not about the politics of the issue. And i think we need to focus on that. How this impacts people in a real way is what is so important and why i voted against it. Take we will, for example. Planned parenthood would be zeroed out in the first year. Thats terrible for women. Not the just the choice issue, i am prochoice, but it provides for cancer screenings or mammograms and things of that nature. And number two. How it affects senior citizens. Under this new bill, as im sure youre aware, can be charged five times as much as others. This is cruel and unusual. The part bothers me the most is how it treats the poor and the disabled in our society. Medicaid. It cuts over 800 billion out of medicaid for poornd disabled people in our sie and im going to get a little biblical with you on this. A friend of mine called me, the first time we were voting on this about three weeks ago. And he said ive been thinking about you and the vote youre going to have to take later today, meaning three weeks ago. And he said it made me think of the book of matthew. If you can get on the floor of the house, i think you should say this. He said this is the quote. And jesus was the one who said it. If, whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you are doing to me. Meaning christ himself. In other words, if youre going to be that cruel to poor people and disabled people under this law, whacking them and taking them out of health care nch could, that youre doing it to him. Let me take you back to this point. The reason so few people signed up for the high risk pool this florida, if youre forced into it, your rates are that much higher. Fundamentally people drop their Health Insurance. Youre right. A

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