Obamacare. Essentially the same vote that we had in 2015. I would remind everyone that in that proposal, theres a twoyear delay. A twoyear delay which would give us the opportunity to work out a complete replacement on a bipartisan basis with our democratic friends. So, thats a vote, i think were very likely to have in the very near future. With our democratic friends. Theres a term you dont hear all that often. Senator rand paul who opposed repeal and replace is urging his colleagues to support just repeal for now. All of us promise we would repeal obamacare and the discussion is whether or not to move forward to a vote on that. We voted in 2015 to repeal obamacare. Im in favor of the motion to proceed to repealing obamacare. And i think thats what we should do and thats what the discussion has been about. Now, on the flipside. The democrats are coming out slamming repealing obamacare without a replacement saying millions can be put in jeopardy. Make no mistake about it. Passing repeal without a replacement would be a disaster. Our Health Care System would implode. Millions would lose coverage. Coverage for millions more would be diminished. Okay. So, from capitol hill to the white house, were going to bring you the news as it happens. Were starting with nbc garret who has been covering every moment of this eventful day on capitol hill. Lets start with this. Explain to us what has been happening there today because much has happened since this morning. The repeal and replace bill effectively died and mcconnell talking about repeal and then maybe replace. Moderates already coming out against that. Rand paul likes that idea. Just make sense of this for me, please. Ill try, ali. But the starting point for this, i think, is last night when Mitch Mcconnell said were not going with that old plan of repeal and replace. Were going to repeal, replace. Capped off the discussion of the previous bill. Were not talking about vote counts on that bill any more. Thats ancient history. Most republican senators voted for in 2015. Well, it turns out there are at least moderate republicans who arent ready to go down that road. Voting for this bill now which will repeal obamacare outright and delay that repeal for two years. You had three republican women senators all come out and say, were not going to do this. Were not going to vote for something and for various reasons leave people unprotected or unsure about what might come down the pipe. That leaves Mitch Mcconnell in a bad place. He cant bring this discussion to the floor. You heard from him just now, theyre pushing for it. And conservatives are aligned and pushing for it and a lot of other republican senators are voting for it. I asked Lindsey Graham about this after Mitch Mcconnell spoke just a few moments ago. Here is part of our exchange. Is it frustrating to you that we are seven months in and we had a couple votes get to the brink and fail. No matter how smart you are as majority leader, you have a hard time with politics back home. So when you go back home, if your doesnt matter what they say. You have sandoval saying i dont like this bill. Several governors who are not really on board. So, his problem and all of our problem is that the solution doesnt have a whole lot of support. Now, what if you flipped it around and said were going to be generous with money but spend the money at the state level and not the federal level. More control of the stakes when it comes to health care decisions. I think youd have more governor support and more rank and File Republican support. And some democrats, i think, could support the idea of giving money to their states. And, ali, thats Lindsey Graham talking about a whole separate plan. That means you are farther away, not closer to coming to an agreement. But theyre going to keep working and ill try to chase down ted cruz who just appeared during that sound bite and let you know if he says anything more about this plan. Go do that and well chat with you later. Hans, youre stuck with me because garret is going to talk to ted cruz. The latest White House Briefing is one of those weird ones where its audio only and we cant put cameras in there. Its just ended. What happened . If it just ended well get sound to you shortly. The emerging strategy to punish democrats and forgive republicans on health care and ignore the timetable. When Sarah Huckabee sanders was briefing just moments ago and talking about this, given numerous chances to answer this question on whether or not they blamed republicans. And she decided not to take the bait. Theyre putting the blame squarely on democrats and the whole theory, ali, is that they want to say that once health care is even more broken. Once more Insurance Markets collapse, then they think the system will be so broken that democrats, therefore, have to come to the negotiating table. And this will then be a truly bipartisan process. But this is predicated on this strategy. Lets be clear about this. Predicated on americans losing access to Health Insurance on markets collapsing in individual states on things getting much worse before they get better. Not having any sort of Preventive Care but going and making sure that this is almost accelerated the decline of it and then they think they could potentially start the policy process. We heard that from the president and we just heard it from Sarah Huckabee sanders. Ali, i apologize. Part of the problem here is with the rules of the briefing. If the briefing is, indeed, over, we can share some sound with you enumerating this strategy. I dont know if its finally over since i started talking to you. Im just getting word that its not over yet. We cant, we cant air that audio yet. These are some weird rules, hans, for viewers who didnt grow up with them and they think its weird. Theyre right. Weird stuff. No one grew up with them because theyre brandnew. Youre right. Brandnew rules. Not sure they make sense. Hans, dont go far. You and i need to talk about the other big story of the day, russia, in a little bit. Ill come back to you. I want to take a quick look back at Republican Opposition to the Affordable Care act. After obamacare was passed in march of 2010, thats the signing ceremony, republicans almost immediately started their campaign against the law. For the past seven years, republicans have been promising a simple formula of repeal and replace. We will stop the out of control spending and tax increases and repeal and replace obamacare. When it comes to repealing health care, we made it clear going back to last spring right after this bill was passed that this bill ought to be repealed and replaced with common sense reforms to low the cost of Health Insurance. We have to repeal obamacare and replace it with real patientcentered health care. I think you know what our view is. The thing ought to be repealed and replaced entirely. The answer is to repeal and replace obamacare with modern market centered reforms. This country deserves better and this class is ready to deliver on its promise to repeal and replace obamacare. My poll numbers are going through the roof. You know why . I believe the big part of it is obamacare. Were going to repeal it and replace it. As far as im concerned your premiums are going to start to come down. We will get passed through the senate. I feel so confident. In january of this year the senate took control of and they tried to repeal and replace the Affordable Care act. House republicans unveiled their plan. Two and a half weeks later on the 24th speaker ryan pulled the vote on the bill at the last minute when it was clear he didnt have the votes. A month later on april 25th, the mcarthur amendment is added to the bill allowing states to opt out of many of the requirements, including the essential Health Benefits that were central to every single policy under obamacare. The amendment helped woe the hardliners who opposed the bill. It ultimately passed the house on may 4th and everybody went to the white house to celebrate. Thats what youre looking at right there. Celebrating at the white house rose garden. That was just the house. Lets turn to the senate and see what happened there. It unveiled its version of the bill less than a month ago on june 27. 22nd. Im sorry. A mere five days later on the 27th of june, speaker mcconnell delayed the vote as it became clear that the votes were not there yet. Late last weekend an updated version of the bill was introduced which ckept many obamacare taxes and cruz amendment. It appears the compromises were not enough and as of today the bill is dead for now. For more, i want to bring in republican congressman buddy carter of georgia. Congressman carter voted for the house version back in may. Congressman, good to see you. What on earth happened here . You control the house and you control the senate and this is the fifth or sixth generation of a bill that you guys have been promising since 2010 to repeal and replace. How come this cant get done . Well, obviously, right now were struggling with the replacement bill. So, what we need to do now is just repeal obamacare. This failed experiment, if you will, that is imploding every day. We need to repeal it and then we need to work with our colleagues and work in a bipartisan fashion to come up with a replacement. This is going to take a while. And the leader of the senate has said, its going to be a twoyear plan. We always said were going to have a stable transition period. Were not going to pull the rug underneath, out from underneath anyone. Were going to make sure there is a period of time, two years, that we wind the program down thats failed obamacare. We need to do that now and we need to be working in a bipartisan fashion to come up with a replacement. More than two years ago, year and a half ago when you all voted for the bill that senator, that senator wants to put forward right now. Let me ask you this. You are a young man, but you remember what life was like before obamacare . There were 58 million, 56 million unemployed americans or 26 million now or Something Like that. If you couldnt get a bill that worked in the last year and a half do we suddenly think we pass and repeal and youll get your act together in the next two years . We do feel that working in a bipartisan fashion that we can come up with solutions for this. What needs to happen now is we need to go ahead and repeal this and start getting over it and then during that twoyear transition period, we come up with solutions. We come up with ideas to replace it. Thats simply what we need to do. We need to create a fiber, robust insurance system where Insurance Companies are competing for your business. Not where were begging them to stay in the system. Not where were having to subsidize them to stay in the system. Instead, we need a robust, vibrant, competitive market. So, you know that doesnt work unless you compel everybody to have insurance. No system in the world at all where that works. Switzerland has a private insurance system but everybody has to be covered. Well, look because Insurance Companies wont get together. Ill rephrase it. Insurance companies are not going to be begging to cover people with cancer or Heart Disease or diabetes. They dont beg for that kind of business. They just wont insure them. What we need are Insurance Companies that offer policies that americans can have a choice with. Thats the whole key to it. Is giving patients accessibility, affordability, patientcentered health care. Thats what were talking about here. Thats what weve been talking about through the whole process. We have about 33 million more people insured today than under obamacare. Those are people who were not able to afford insurance because of preexisting conditions or they were too poor. We have to figure out a way to do this. I understand what your concerns are and valid concerns about obamacare, which i outlined on this show. But in the end, what faith can americans have in the fact that you guys will deliver a plan since you havent been able to despite trying to kill obamacare since 2010 . Well, we at seven years. Look, when we start from scratch. We will work in a bipartisan fashion keeping in mind that we want to have accessible, affordable, patientcentered health care. Which is what Everyone Wants to have. Republicans and democrats together. Then we come up with a plan. Thats what our charge is. Thats what our challenge is at this point. Will you push your leadership to actually do this in a bipartisan fashion now that this has not worked in a singleparty fashion . Well, if we cant get it done by our selves and the majority party, yes. We need to look at bipartisan fashion. Look, health care is personal. Health care is very personal. We understand it. We get there. And we want to make sure that were and we have made sure that we are addressing the needs of everyone. Weve made sure in the American Health care act that those with preexisting conditions would be covered. We did not leave anyone behind. We made sure that there would be competition out there for Insurance Companies to get more involved and offer more plans so that more people would be covered. I get so frustrated by the cbo scores that say, oh, 22 million. 23 Million People are going to be uninsured. No, thats not what it says. What it says that 22 million, 23 Million People will have a choice. Thats what we want. Sir, we all have choices, right . I have a choice to do all sorts of things. Can i afford to do it . If you cant afford to do it, thats not a choice thats viable. In all fairness the American Health care act made sure we kept the premiums for those who have preexisting conditions at a stable level. That they wouldnt go up. We assured that through that plan. Thats why im so disappointed in the senate that they didnt accept it. That they couldnt get to a yes vote with enough people there. But thats where were at. So, right now, the best thing for us is to repeal this, go back, Work Together and to come up with something even better. Youre not looking for my advice and nobody voted for me, but i would really suggest an alternative before you repeal it. The wrath of the American People could be quite strong if they lose their health care. Look, we have to make sure we get this right. We have to repeal it and start from scratch. It has failed. Obamacare has failed. Im not sure. Hasnt failed. There is 30 plus Million People who have insurance who couldnt get it before obamacare. 74 Million People on medicaid. You said it. You said it yourself, health care is personal. So, for those people who didnt have it, its personal. For a small proportion of the people who are insured on the individual markets who dont qualify for subsidies, their premiums went up way too high. For every one of those people its personal and its awful. That is no way an indictment of obamacare. It is an indictment of obamacare. 44 of the counties in this country will have one or zero providers. That is a failed system. You dont want to repeal and it will go to 50 mer. In a year it will be 50 and in ten years 75 . But, again what was it before obamacare . Good question. Before obamacare, it was pretty bad. I guarantee you it wasnt 1 or 0. Could be right. Ill look into it and well talk again. I appreciate you coming on to have this conversation with me. Ill call you once i have that data and well continue. Republican congressman of georgia. He asked me a question i didnt have the answer to on health care. I like this guy. Lets get him back. Kristen welker and the briefing has ended. Sarah Huckabee Sanders has wr wrapped it up which means we can now talk about it. Kristen, what happened . A spirited briefing and, of course, the majority of the questions had to do with health care. And a couple of points ill make. One of the questions she was pressed on over and over again is whether or not the president has now effectively acknowledged defeat on this latest attempt to repeal obamacare and then replace it later. Sarah Huckabee Sanders not addressing that directly saying, look, this is not the last step at health care. She was also pressed on whether or not the president bears some responsibility. And over and over again she said, no. In fact, it is democrats who bear all of the responsibility and, of course, there were a number of robust exchanges around that idea because republicans controlled not only the white house, but the house and the senate. I asked her about that. Take a listen to our exchange. You say this is democrats fault. The reality is, they were willing to sit down at the table with you guys and negotiate. I missed all those phone calls coming in. They said they were going to work with you guys on repeal and replace. Isnt it fair to say and wouldnt find Common Ground with them, as well . Not at all. Weve been very clear from the g beginning. Well sit down with democrats and talk about how to reform the Health Care System. Until they recognize the fact that i think obamacare has completely collapsed and failed, i think it will be hard for them to move forward in the process. Their unwillingness is pretty undocumented. At 2020 at Donald Trumps twitter account obamas complaints about republicans stopping his agenda and im quoting are bs since he had full control for two years. Doesnt the president need to take some responsibility for this moment, sarah . I think were taking responsibility in terms of pushing new legislation through. But not the failures of legislation that happened before the president got into office. I think you also have to take into account the outrageous obstruction that weve talked about pretty frequently up here. Not just on health care, but across the boa