Had been killed just hours earlier. Mere feet from them. This morning, Police Revealed this was a targeted attack by a 38yearold man who is currently being held without bail. They also cleared up earlier questions about identifying the maryland man with the use of fashl recognition technology. We were able to use that and a couple other techniques to make sure we knew who the bad guy was. I will not say his name today. I refuse to do it. I wish you wouldnt do it but i know better. He doesnt deserve us to talk about him one more second. There are no other suspects we are looking for right now. We have no reason to believe anybody else but the suspect was involved in this atrocity. With me now, nbc justice correspondent pete williams. Pete, you have been covering this closely. Where are we . Well, we had a bail hearing for the person who was arrested last night. And he has been held without bail, which is understandable. And at that bail hearing, the prosecutor said that the man you are seeing here, jared ramos who is now charged with five counts of firstdegree murder barricaded the back door of the newspaper the only people could have gotten out after he shot his way in through the glass doors in the front of the office. Barricaded that door making it impossible for them to get out. Adding to the fact that they say say this was well thought out, a point that the police chief himself amplified on at that news conference. In may of 13, we did have a situation where on line threatening comments were made. We had a detective assigned to investigate it. The detective spoke with Legal Counsel for the Capital Gazette. Several members of the Capital Gazette staff. It was discussed that the Capital Gazette did not wish to pursue criminal charges. There was a fear that doing so would exacerbate an already flammable situation. So just to fill in the blanks there, what happened is that jared ramos was arrested and charged with harassment, online harass men of a woman that he had known since high school. She says his comments were increasingly vulgar, she cut off contact with him. Then he started harassing her on line, tried to get her fired from her job. And when the newspaper wrote a story, he sued them for defamation. It went through the courts for Something Like three years. Each time the court said no, you have no case here, the newspaper accurately reported what happened of there is no defamation. After that he began to threaten the newspaper. The newspaper called the police. You heard the police chief say they talked to them and decided there wasnt enough evidence to prosecute. Nofr but they were so concerned about ramos that he had a picture printed and put it at the front desk saying if he ever came around alert authorities. Pete williams, our justice correspondent joining us from d. C. For more on the shooting at the Capital Gazette im joined by the dean at the Merrill College of journalism at the university of maryland. Three of the victims killed had connections to the college. Two graduated from there. Another taught there. Im also joined by malcolm nance msnbc terrorism expert. He is out with a brandnew book the plot to destroy democracy. Thanks to both of you for being here. Lucy, let me start with you. This is not targeted in the way someone would think it might be, that it is an antijournalist, you know, in general move. This suspect had a particular beef with this newspaper. But these are hard working, local newspaper journalists, the type of which exist all over america, and indeed all over the world. We are not used to living under specific threat of violence or death. People threaten journalists all the type. Yes. This is a different thing. This is a different thing. People have had feuds with journalists around the country for time in memorial. Ordinarily you handle them through the courts or handle them with letters to the editor, or you resolve it. It very, very seldom would get to an act of vie lens. This is a sayings where this event with mr. Ramos happened several years ago. Things apparently had been rather quiet until ream. Yep. And we are not clear on what happened to escalate it. But malcolm, the Reporters Committee has put out a statement. This is it is a tough one to address because we dont know how the current atmosphere of hostility toward the media influences them but they have said the escalating anger and hostility toward the press has made it dangerous to be a journalist in america. We lead leaders to condemn this violence and to stop adding to the rhetoric that fuels it. How, as a guy who looks at violence in so many ways in society, how do you square this . How much do you think outside influence and the portrayal of journalism and the media as the enemy of the people play as role in this . Well, it certainly plays some role. We cant say in this specific instance just what capacity it played. We know that this was a started out as a private endeavor. Then it moved on to an organizational hatred. And he has focused all of his ire he sought to the point where he felt that individuals inside that organization needed to be destroyed over whatever was going on in his mind. These extremely disturbed person, emotionally disturbs persons, you cannot predict what they are going to do or how they are going to do it. Reaching out in a. Laer expanse if we have an environment where the press is called the enemies of the people, these people hear that as well. And it might push them to do a destructive act without any more prompting for whatever small isolated problem that they have in their mind. It really is insidious. Lucy, one of the things that is new that didnt exist to this degree in 2013 the term fake news was not really known widely to people. It related to something specific, sort of people who monetized the spread of nonsense on the internet. Now its mainstream. And polling i wanted to show you a recent Axios Survey Monkey poll that shows the degree to which people think news sources report news that they know to be fake, false, or purposely misleading. 72 of people say a lot or sometimes. Only 25 say rarely or never. Now, as you go down that screen, you see democrats, independents and republicans. Once you get to republicans, 92 think that the news is fake sometimes or a lot. Its truly disturbing. I think there is not enough appreciation or understanding of what it is that these local Community Journalists all over america do. I think when you are looking at that Public Attitude toward the media, they are not necessarily thinking of the people who are covering their school boards. Correct. Covering their tax increases. These are people who come to work every single day. They work hard. And they provide the glue that holds communities together. If we cant have those local journalists providing that localized information, we are really in deep, deep trouble as a democracy. Lucy is getting to an interesting point, malcolm. That is that you have to be able to distinguish when you think there is a lot of fake news out there, you are right. There is a lot of fake news out there. Thats thats true. But not all journalists and not all news organizations and not all types of news organizations are purveyors of it. I think most journalists are as lucy said just hard working journalists who are trying to get stories out there. They absolutely are. Fake news exists really in cyberspace, on the internet. It is very rare to see people actually spend money to print and put something on a piece of expensive news sheet and go out there and create a fake story unless its alien babies from the National Enquirer or Something Like that. We know that kind of fake infotainment sits where it sits on the shells. Local organizations like this, small paper in annapolis, serving the small community, the government, the naval academy, they dont have time for that. They are doing the yeomans work of keeping people informed. Its a shame that what happened in cyberspace may in fact have worked its way down to a small community. Lucy, it is remarkable that these folks at the Capital Gazette published a newspaper. They did so yesterday. They were determined. Their initial tweets were defiant. The idea that they are going to publish is damn paper is the way they said it. And they did. They reported on the story. I dont know how they held it together to report on this story. They reported about their five dead colleagues in detail and put out a paper and left a blank dhitorrial page saying today we are leaving this blank in memory of these five colleagues who passed away. It is admirable. I think its remarkable to remember that in america, generally speaking, elsewhere in the world journalists work under threat all the time. Yes. It doesnt happen we are not as familiar with this in america but all around the world journalises work under threat just for doing their jobs. They absolutely do. I wasnt surprised that they put out a newspaper last night. I think they just relied upon doing what they knew they could do. They wanted to honor their colleagues. But these are journalists. They are very committed to what they do. And im very concerned that if we dont figure out how to ratchet down all of this demagoguery on the internet and everywhere else if we dont do that we are going to be putting bulls eyes on the backs of every journalist in america. Yeah. And we are going to have a situation just like we do in what we have always thought to be the most dangerous parts of the world to cover. I would hate to see that happening here. In the last year, only more journalists were actually killed in afghanistan than america. So it is important for us to keep this in mind. Lucy, thank very much. The dean of the Merrill College of journalism at the university of matter and malcolm nance. Up next we will take you live to a shelter that is housing immigrants recently released by i. C. E. Their stories of waiting weeks and sometimes days at a time in the blazing sun before being let in. Plus reports of President Trumps chief of staff john kelly is expected to leave the white house as early as next month. Details later in the hour. You are watching msnbc. Ds of our friends. And we found others just like us. And just like that we felt a little less alone. But then something happened. We had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. Thats going to change. From now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. Because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. 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Needs to comprehensively examine and assess its inspection process, improve followup frurs for corrective actions and ensure ero field office is consistently engaged in overseeing operations. In its response, i. C. E. Officials agree with the recommendations and propose steps to improve. But what happens to the migrants as they await their court dates . Msnbc is getting a look at the shelter that works in conjunction with i. C. E. To house migrants while they wait for their case to go through the court system. We should make sure, this is not an i. C. E. Detention facility. It is operated primarily by volunteers organized by a church. Msnbc goes to tucson, arizona. This shelter basically gets the heads up from i. C. E. We are bringing 50 people today. We are dropping them off. Then they take care of those folks who have nowhere else to go, frankly, because they have just been released frye i. C. E. Detention with their ankle monitors. Many with their babies. And the organizer tells me that this center started, this shelter because i. C. E. Actually asked hem to take on this work. I want to bring her into this conversation. This is gretchen. She has seen thousands of migrants come through her doors. We have been talking about conditions in i. C. E. Facilities. From the accounts you have heard what are the conditions like inside these places. We hear from the families that it is a very cold. The lights stay on all the time. So they get they start the get confused, how many days they have been there, what day is it . They talk about only having the mylar blankets and how thats hard to put their children at to bed at night with those blankets on and for them to sleep of they are uncomfortable. They are scary. And they just talk about the fear that they have while they are there. Gretchen, we also want to understand whats happening to those migrants trying to seek asylum. Yesterday Vice President mike pence was there with the Homeland Security secretary in guatemala telling the people of Central America if you want to come to the u. S. Do it legally. We have been speaking to dozens of families in this shelter who tell us they want to do it the right way. They want to turn themselves in at ports of entry but they are being made to wait for two weeks on average on the other side of the nogales bridge. Can you tell us what these folks are telling you gretchen . Whats going on . We want to understand whats happening. The families we are seving right now through the nogales port have been waiting up to two weeks to even be taken in and processed. They arrive, are given a number and have to go to a shelter in nogales and wait. A number like you would get in the supermarket line. Like you have to wait for 100 people before its your turn . Correct. Once they receive that number, they then are almost turned away from the port, have to go wait in a shelter for up to two wooebs. Once they are towards the front of the line they got brought back to the port and then have to wait there for up to three days. Most tell me that they are sleeping on the sidewalks out at the port waiting to hopefully be taken in. There are days that they tell us no one gets taken in to be processed. They just sit there wait asking hoping that the next day they will be called. Thank you for your hard work and talking to us today. The message from the administration is seek asylum the right way, do itologically at a port of entry. Yeah. But its incredibly hard for the families to do that. People go to a point of entry. They are denied entry or even not processed or looked at. Told that there is no space for them on the other side. But this facility you are at, which contracts out to i. C. E. Or at least does work with i. C. E. When people are processed and have to stay there had availability of space. There is some other problem why people are waiting days and weeks in the sun. Exactly right. Briefly i want you to hear it from gretchen herself. When i. C. E. Says to these people we cant process you because there is no room on other side, you have room here, right . Correct. We do. When they are at the border it is cbp who is interacting with the families who then passes them on to i. C. E. There have been many days this month where we have been completely empty. We had no one here. We were told there was nobody the release to us. But i know there was lines and lines of families waiting in nogales to be processed. Thank you so much, gretchen we will get to the bottom of this and hopefully go to the other side is bring you the pictures to get to the bottom of this story. We want the real reason why people are made to wait in the heat or months ago when it was cold. Many immigrant toddlers, some literally in diapers, are forced to appear in their own deportation proceedings alone. To be clear, the practice of requiring what are deemed to be uncompanied minors is not new. But the trump administrations family separation policy rapidly increased the number of Young Children who are forced to deal with Court Proceedings without a parental guardian. As the executive detectivor of a los angeles nonprofit Immigration Law firm recounted quote we were representing a 3yearold in court recently who had been separated from the parents. And the child n the middle of the hearing, started climbing up on the table. It really highlighted the absurdity of what we are doing with these kids. To discuss this, lets bring in msnbc contributor, former watergate prosecutor jill wine banks. Something you may not know about jill who is terrific and helps us through a lot of thing is she has done pro bono work with Asylum Seekers and is connected to the american bar associations commission on immigration. Which provides services in california and texas. I think we are generally agreed in america that we have to treat children very differently when it comes to court, even when you are prosecuting young people for actual crimes. But we are not these are not actual crimes. These people are here lawfully. A 3yearold cannot possibly enter a courtroom and explain why they are seeking asylum. They cannot explain why they have a credible fear, and why they cannot return to their home country. It is absurd. They are suffering the trauma of being separated from their parents. And then they are being asked to defend themselves in court. They arent entitled to a lawyer. Thank heavens for all the pro bono lawyers. Yes. Who volunteer to help them and to defend them. But its not really realistic to expect them to have answers to the questions that are required to get asylum. I also want to point out that Asylum Seekers are lawfully here. It is not just american constitution and law and regulations. Its International Law that we allow people to have a due process hearin