Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20161212

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin December 12, 2016

They have no idea. At least he didnt say a 400 pound guy sitting in a bed. Also coming under friendly fire before his nomination made official. The head of exxonmobil scrutinized over his ties to russia and a seemingly close relationship with Vladimir Putin. Some gop senators suggesting theyre a no for confirmation. Its not like Vladimir Putin and Rex Tillerson are pounding down vodka, theyre not Close Friends but anybody in president trumps cabinet, particularly the secretary of state, the fourth highest ranking person in our government, that person will be advancing the interests of the u. S. Everywhere. Not like theyre pounding back vodka at the nearest bar. National correspondent Peter Alexander is covering the trump transition. How deep are the rifts within the inner circle for and against Rex Tillerson . Save the pounding back vodka for the rest of us. Donald trump was filled with praise in terms of comments about Rex Tillerson, both on twitter part of the fox interview saying hes not just a Business Executive but hes a world class player and thats what we are hearing. Hes been hearing from some top officials. Former officials as well. The former defense secretary robert gates, Condoleezza Rice and james baker all voicing their support privately to donald trump for Rex Tillerson as his secretary of state. But you talk about the divisions on this and the challenge may be what happens if there is to be a confirmation at the senate. Specifically because it only takes three republicans defecting away from tillerson for this thing to be dead in the water. We heard marco rubio saying a friend of vladimir is not someone im looking for for secretary of state. Both Lindsey Graham and john mccain spoken out as well. Mccain saying it is a matter of concern referring to that relationship. So thats where that stands right now. We understand that those close to donald trump say they want to sort of, before making this announcement, see how it plays out, both within the media but also at capitol hill. Peter, what are we hearing about rick perry . Possible position for him, former texas governor. Ran for president. What do you know . Yeah, so we know hes going to be meeting with donald trump today. He is the frontrunner at this point right now to be the next secretary of energy, ironic and notable because he was back in 2011 during the republican primary debate. Remember that oops moment, he was talking about agencies, departments he would want to get rid of if he were to become president and forgot one of them, the one he forgot, turned out, the Energy Department and the others up for that post right now, joe mansion, the democratic West Virginia senator. Hes going to be meeting with donald trump today as well. We know carly fiorina, got video of her arrived at trump tower a matter of moments ago, one of those going through the revolving door again today as well as Kathy Mcmorris rogers, the republican from the inland northwest from Washington State and right now is looking increasingly likely to be the next secretary of the interior. Good to talk to you. Catch up with you later. I want to bring in former spokesman for ted cruzs president ial campaign, rick tyler. Lets start with, good to see you, lets start with Rex Tillerson. As a businessman, done a remarkably good job. Exxonmobil for a long time for shareholders, done a very good job. Im not clear how between two Goldman Sachs executives in this cabinet, Rex Tillerson, what do we need now, big pharma and tobacco ceo to round it out . Look at all the past cabinet members and redefine what it means. Donald trump picks someone, puzder or for labor or for epa does not mean that theyre against the epa. It means they have a different vision. He has a different vision for secretary of state. Tillerson has been there for 8 president s. In Senior Leadership since reagan. Its a multination nationan. Generally. Its not mutually exclusive. I keep hearing that a business relationship say with putin is different than diplomatic, absolutely it is but doesnt exclude him from being able to do that job as well. Except in the business relationship, youre looking for friends and partners to do business with. Sometimes as a secretary of state, you have to take the hard decision to not make the deal. And im not saying that means he cant do that but the point is he has relationships, they know him, they like him. From my perspective, hes uniquely qualified to bring a different perspective. Thats why i think the hearing is so important because i think hell bring a different perspective to the committee and the democrats should watch it because there will be democrats trying to box this guy in. This guy knows more about Foreign Policy. What is Foreign Policy . Whats the chief diplomat supposed to be doing . Business deals or with the fact that weve got a belligerent china, expansionist russia . No argument there. Thats what they do. Rex is a friend of russia. Russia invaded a country and on border of nato allies. He knows that and baltics have dealt with it. Just because someone has a different view doesnt mean theyll be a bad secretary. Rick perry wanted to abolish the department of energy that he might be in charge of. Thats weird. Thats a little different. You worked for a texan during the nomination. A different relationship with energy than many in the country. I know were playing that clip and we have to play the clip from the debate. Rick perry was recovering from major back surgery then. I cut him a lot of slack for that. Im not worried about that. Im more interested in the fact, lets play it. So everybody here can be reminded of the kfgconversation. He started to say he wanted to get rid of three governmental departments and then started to name them. Here we go. I will tell you, its three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. Commerce, education, and, whats the third one there, lets see . The third agency of government i would do away with, education, the commerce, and lets see, i cant, the the third one, i cant. Sorry. Oops. The issue was that energy is actually on the list. How do you square that circle . One, need to get rid of the department and then run it. Does that mean youll fix it and make it into the thing you want to exist or dismantle it . I dont know yet. Its hard to dismantle departments and probably stay. The point is that these bureaucracies which were invented in the 1880s codified in the 1930s marginally effective in the Industrial Age are completely inappropriate for the Information Age and i hope the people have a different vision of how to function. Though we know the pentagon. These are not Silicon Valley guys. These are old guys doing what theyve been doing. Tillerson, to the point, fits the bill because he has a complete outsider. He has the experience, yet. You have ran a national campaign. How Many Americans would say the ceo of an oil company is an outsider . Thats about as inside as one gets. If you think about an american that is left out. But hes been part of the Successful Company and successful things around the country and we looked at the academics, right . Like nothing against Condoleezza Rice. She was academic. General colin powell. But obamacare was an academic exercise and its been, in my view, a complete failure. Well have to come back and have that discussion. Thank you for being with us. President elect trump is confirming that he is only received the daily president ial briefing about once a week since the election and addressing skepticism about the findings from the Intelligence Community and that skepticism is creating a growing rift between the incoming president and the spy agencies. First reported on the bad blood and doesnt seem to be Getting Better anytime soon. I dont have to be told, like a smart person. The same thing and same words every day for the next eight years. With me, david nakamura. Good to see you. When you have an open wound like this one, how is it possible and important to remember, theres not once by agency. There are 16 different spy agencies that have to, you know, its their job to make sure that the president has the information to make is right decisions. How do they deal with this . Its a lot of information that these agencies are collecting every day and trying to boil down for us in assessment for president obama to get this every day in the oval office in a private setting. For donald trump, its been saying this even during the campaign when he first started to receive these briefings. I dont trust intelligence and sort of marginalizing what these professionals do and now its an open antagonism and impugning the integrity of the agencies because he feels like the analysis on the russia intervention in this election is misguided or politically motivated and this has prompted unprecedented reaction from some of the agencies in question. Got a Statement Last night from intelligence officials saying its concentrated everything that these professionals find valuable about protecting the country but this is a Threat Landscape thats as complex and diverse as any. Donald trump made some allusion to the fact my people will come in and theyve got my people and i respect them but disagree with them. The Intelligence Community responds to them, the people who, the desk analyst, the people who compile the information that goes to the president , theyre not partisans. Right. Exactly. Whats interesting, his own Vice President is taking these briefings every day pretty much through the week he does find this valuable and understands that. Whether thats the continued relationship Going Forward remains to be seen but ongoing fuller review that president obama ordered about russias involvement supposed to be finished before hes leaving office. How do we proceed with this . The new boss, you could be in trouble. In addition to this disagreement over russian hacking, donald trump is now questioning the one china policy. Lets talk about this for a second because there are actually other americans who say, who invented this one china policy . We just decided that we like the peoples republic of china. You dont have to be too old to remember we used to not believe it existed, just like, taiwan. And its an interesting diplomatic game that trump is playing here. This goes back to Richard Nixon in china to the west and a delegate game and certainly have a relationship with taiwan but agreed as a bipartisan administration to maintain this policy to have some working relationship and stability with china which is not just a rival but also a big major partner and even more so now, as they rise economically and militarily. President obama has kept this policy in place and one of the first things out of the box that donald trump does is talk to the president of taiwan, contrary to all the things that previous president s have done. Theyre signaling this may not be a full shift but we dont know what the end game is. If theres not a fuller strategy, does not make a lot of sense. He said, whats wrong with having a conversation . And said in the campaign as did Many Republican candidates theyre going to rip up the iran deal. Now got Benjamin Netanyahu hoping he might do that. Listen to what netanyahu said last night. I think what options we have are much more, many more. Like what . President trump, quite a few, actually. If you put sanctions back on, the other signatories to the deal wont. There are various ways of undoing it. You have something in your mind. About five things. One . I like to talk to the president before i talk to 60 minutes. Donald trump and Benjamin Netanyahu answering in a similar fashion but the agencies donald trump doesnt want to seem to listen to said dont scrap this iran deal, thats dangerous. Where does that leave us and iran . Iran to deal with boeing for 80 planes. 70 billion. It is hard to undo that. I think europeans want to keep this in place, certainly the russians and chinese part of this deal and as weve atalked about, if all the countries did not reoppopose sanctions. Donald trump named a number of military advisors. Michael flynn and general mattis at the pentagon who really sort of view iran as a malignant evil country. Theyve been skeptical of this deal as well. So theres going to be a lot of internal pressure possibly for trump to move forward as well as from Benjamin Netanyahu who made a forceful case through Congress Last week much to the chagrin of the obama administration. Theres a bunch of senior people in iran who dont like the deal either, so they can all get together and talk about it. David ncakamura. Thank you. Michael hayden fires back about the security briefings trump calls repetitive and live to beijing with a fresh warning for president elect trump over one china policy. Stay with us. To do the best for your pet, you should know more about the food you choose. With beyond, you have a Natural Pet Food that goes beyond telling ingredients to showing where they come from. Beyond assuming the source is safe. To knowing it is. 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Andy carr, we have all seen the video going over and whispering into president bushs ear about what has happened and the idea that that can happen on a president s first day in office or the first week or first month and youve got to have far more knowledge about decisions than youd ever think one needs to have about these things. What do you need to do when the president doesnt feel its important . I think its very discouraging to have president elect trump take that position because you need information on a daily basis to be sure and often even more than a daily basis. When i was at the pentagon, id look forward to these briefings every morning and to go over what had happened overnight and what was likely to happen that day and that week. And so the president has to make decisions sometimes on a very spontaneous basis and he has to have information presented to him which he accepts or rejects but at least has this dialogue with the people charged to be collecting that information. And i think the most serious thing is to degrade the Intelligence Community or belittle it and say theyre bumbling or bias, you are creating a situation in which people will no longer trust the information unless the president endorses it, so therefore unless it supports the president s position, its not to be believed. Very dangerous for our country. You wake up monday morning, youll have seen there were terror incidents in istanbul and cairo, yemen, all things that you have to have a deep knowledge about. A lot of people are comparing this to president nixon who didnt like these briefings but got them all from henry kissinger. Whats the difference other than the fact its 2016 . Theres a lot more information to get, but can the president get everything he needs to get from an inner circle as opposed to intelligence briefs . Can he do so . I think the answer is yes. It depends on how close his advisors are to him, what their perception of the intelligence is. If you go through a filter, however, then that intligee passes through a facility we ils own biases saying, i dont believe it or accept it. If you want to maintain the morale and credibility of the Intelligence Community, youve got to have a relationship with that community and say that i trust in the integrity of the process. I may come to disagree or not accept the ultimate recommendations or analysis, but i need to have the information so that i can make an informed decision. Absent that, to simply say im smart, people with the information must be dumb and therefore needed. I think the president elect needs for more and more information directly to him and not filtered. Lets talk about the russia stuff. What did you hear with people like sean spicer saying if theyre so sure the russians did something to influence the election, why not make it public and let americans themselves make a decision . I think thats whats going to happen. President obama has apparently given an indication hed like to see a report before he leaves office. Youve got a Bipartisan Committee on capitol hill that wants to investigate it. To have russia, if russia has intervened in any way, that really is a National Security issue. That strikes at the heart of our democracy. I dont expect him to say but i expect him to say i dont tolerate other countries interfering with our right to vote and my po

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