If the administration was standing by that tweet which sean spicer said the president is, then why could congress then need to investigate if this information already exists . The Press Secretary talked a little bit about the issu i have to listen to the vshage again, the transcript, but he talked about credibility and the idea there is a separation of powers as well. We also talked a little bit about the idea that hey we are in tax season, tax day is just over month away. Will the president release his returns from this most recent year . The president secretary said he would got back to us. And then is the president still under audit for past returns . The Press Secretary confirming he indeed is. A separation of powers, and they dont want to be perceived as directing congress to investigate in a certain way. Harold ford is this going to dog them much longer . It will. The question by halle and the other young lady spelled i out. I think the health care the governors will be the ar about iters, where the rubber meets
the road. The republicans and moderates and conservatives alike, but governors will have the phone say in what happens here. Two major stories. First health care, the other what exactly is going on with wiretapping. Both of those dominating the White House Press briefing. And both of those things that my colleague kate snow is going to be talking about in just a moment. Im katy tur. That will do it for me. Kate take it away. I feel like im crashing the party. Great discussion. We will take it from here. Good afternoon, everyone, im kate snow. Our top stories this hour. Seven years in the making, republicans launching a fullcourt press to promote their new obamacare Replacement Plan. Party leadership, even the white house now getting involved. But not convinced, a big chunk of the gop. This hour, in about 30 minutes from now the House Freedom caucus as long with Tea Party Senators will faulk about why they think this Isnt The Right Way the repeal and replace. Later on, the carson
controversy. In his first address to his new department, Housing And Urban Development, carson referred to slaves as immigrants. A lot of blowback over his comments. We have a lot to get through. Our team is in place. Chris jansing, kasie hunt, perry bacon, nice to see him again. Lets start off with a hard look at what is in this obamacare Replacement Plan. Before we get started here i want to run through the basics of the new bill. No more individual mandate. Coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions is still in. Young people can remain on their parents coverage until age 26. The expansion of medicaid that happened under obama, that gets frozen in 2020. And people who let their Coverage Lapse could see their premiums go up by 30 . Finally there is still a system of tax credits to help pay for health care on the individual market but those credits are now based on age. That is something we will really dive into. You are going to want to sti with us for in a, what does that look like, how does that work . Let me start with our panel, Chris Janszing at the white house. This hour we are expecting senator rand paul and the Freedom Caucus from the house who have concerns about this bill we are expecting them up on capitol hill. Is the white house feeling confident right now about getting this through congress. When you heard them talk about it, and we finished this briefing that called Secretary Tom Price they said that they are going to work this through and just didnt seem to be concerned about what the obvious problem is with this, and that is that on both side of the house and the senate you have republicans in numbers that threaten this bill who are against it. You mentioned for example, that you have this Press Conference that is coming up. I talked to rand paul on friday. For him and other like minded conservatives this is nothing more than entire entitlement program. It doesnt accomplish why they wanted to get rid of obamacare in the first place. That was the cost. You heard the acknowledgment they dont have any kind of estimate from the congressional budget office. When Mick Mull Vinny went out for the white house today to talk about it he acknowledged they didnt know what the cost is. And on the senate side you also have four members of the senate who sent a her letter because they are concerned about Medicaid Expansion in their states. They are worried about people losing coverage. So even though you have this situation where the president it sunds like is completely all in. As sean spicer put it there is going to be a very aggressive laser like focus on this it has involved tweeting, heating with health care people,nd it looks like he will be in charge with
when i spoke to him a couple minutes ago. Hi mr. Vice president. Is this Plan Conservative . Im sorry . This Health Care Plan is it conservative . This is the right plan for america. It is a framework we believe will Repeal Obamacare which has been a disaster. Heritage says it doesnt do that, heritage action. And well replace this with a plan that will handwritings the power of the free market, will give states resources and flexibility to reporm medicaid, will help americans be able to Purchase Health insurance but the cost of Health Insurance will go down. We are looking forward as i told leaders in the senate today 50i78 going to be meeting with members of congress this afternoon, we really do believe this is a historic opportunity the repeal the failed policies of obamacare and replace it with the kind of reforms that will lower the cost of Health Insurance en while we insure that the most vulnerable have
access to better coverage through medicaid and greater state flexibility. Where are conservatives so opposed . I think we are early in the legislative process. And the president has made it clear we are open to ways to improve the bill but we believe the American Health care act is the right framework for replacing obamacare. In the days ahead the president and i look forward to making that point the members of congress and the people of america. Thank you, i appreciate it. Of course the key there they are very early in this process, they seem to be open to making changes or adjustments. But at this point it is becoming more difficult to figure out how they square getting it through the house of representatives where you have pressure from conservatives and then sending it over to the senate where you already have a group of four senators writing letters saying look if you end this Medicaid Expansion its going to be really tough on State Budgets and potentially hurt low income americans. So thats very difficult. And any one of these political
calculations can make Something Like this completely fall apart. You remember i covered the beginning to the end of passing the Affordable Care act, obamacare, back in 2009. And that was something that took an incredible amount of arm twisting from nancy pelosi who of course was Speaker Of The House. She was question that is something that dpemts and republicans agree she is very good at. You had a president who was at the height of his popularity right after the election. Those things do not necessarily exist right now for republicans on capitol hill. Speaker ryan is dealing with a caucus thats much more kind of fractured. The way he has dealt with them has been to kinds of devolve some power. Its unclear if that strategy is going to work this this case. President trump doesnt have the same popularity nowhat President Obama had at the time. And all of that could really put all of thisn jeopardy, kate. Perry bacon, you wrote on 538 about all of this, about the seven groups that could
complicate gop plans to Repeal Obamacare. I want to run through your article. You said Older Americans because they could be charged more than younger people. You said conservative lawmakers, because it doesnt go far enough in getting rid of Medication Expansion for some of them. You said governors, you say you think some governors think its stingy on medicaid. Another group you are looking at is people getting Affordable Care act coverage particularly those with low incomes because they might not get as much help as they did. Voters, democrats who dont want to see changes to the law because they like obamacare as it is. And people who Support Abortion Rights or Planned Parenthood because federal plans are cut off to Planned Parenthood for a year through medicaid. Which is the biggest challenge . We are talking about a process in congress. The biggest problem i would say is that moderates in the senate thinking its too conservative,
house members thinking its not conservative enough. I would say older people. The aarp is organizing against this bill bus it lets you charge older people more than younger people. Aarp is an influential group. I think it matters lot, too. One thing in favor of the bill passing, the republican heeders and white house view it this way, custom is that most republicans in congress ran on repealing obamacare. Republican leaders view this as we dare you to go on the floor and vote against obamacare after what you promised your constituents. They have with one advantage which is that the republican voted to changing and revealing obamacare and most members dont to vote against an obamacare peal. Chris jansing a the white house,ore he took office, President Trump said he had an alternative vision, alternate vision for Health Care Reform. He made promises, weapon on 60 minutes and he was asked would
it be universal health care, he said yeah i really want to take care of everybody. Those were his words. He even said he didnt care if it got him votes or didnt. Now he is tweeting he is going to negotiate with congress. Mike pence saying this is the beginning of a process. Is this a shift away from the big promises he made on the campaign trail . Yeah, i mean this was a central focus of his campaign. Anybody who went to or saw any of his rallies saw this was one of the bige cheer points. This always got a huge reaction, that he was going to get rid of obamacare. And that he had a plan. I mean, remember, he also gave a Newspaper Interview where he said he had a plan that was going to cover everybody. In january he talked about that plan. Now it looks as though that plan doesnt exist. He is adopting this. And we have heard really, about sort of the genesis of how this all came to be today with the hhs Secretary Tom Price who was asked about his support for
this. Lets play what he had to say as the voice of this administration right now for this health care change. Do you support everything thats in the bill sitting on the table. This is a work progress. It is a legislative process that occurs. We will work with the house and senate. Another way to look at it is, kate, this is reality sinking in for this white house that has so few people who have ever been through this process before, that they are realizing how complex this is. You know, there were a lot of people who either laughed or mock the fact when the president said he didnt real how complicated that was going to be. There is no doubt this is one of the most complicated pieces of legislation that we have seen in recent years. And by the way, if it does get repealed, it would be unprecedented. We have never seen a Major Program like this that affects millions of people that then has been taken off the table. And obviously, thats part of
the concern that we have been talking about for some of the lawmakers. Chris jansing, kasie hunt, perry bacon, thank you all so much. Appreciate it. Up next we are going to kick in on one of the fine points in that stack of papers that you saw at the white house. Thats the houses Obamacare Repeal bill. The bigger stack is the old obamacare. We are going to talk about tax credits, which existed in both plans, and what does it mean what they are trying to do now . What exactly will those tax credits look like . How will they work . When we come back. But our past is just that, past. We are pioneers. So our greatest achievements cant lay behind us, because our destiny lies ahead. Thats what it means to drive the world forward. Thats what it means to dare. Parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what . You could apply for a Medicare SupplementInsurance Plan whenever you want. No enrollment window. No waiting to apply. That means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp Medicare SupplementInsurance Plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. Medicare doesnt cover everything. And like all standardized Medicare SupplementInsurance Plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesnt pay. So dont wait. Call now to request your free decision guide. It could help you find the aarp Medicare Supplementlan that works for you. These types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. Rates are competitive, and theyre the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. Remember these plans let you apply all year round. So call today. Because nows the perfect time to learn more. Go long. Will your business be ready when growth presents itself . American express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. Find out how American Express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open. Com. You are looking live at a shot outside the capitol building. War going to see the Freedom Caucus there and also conservative senators talking about the White House Bill and their reservations i should say representatives. The new republican bill krnly introduced in the house provides tax credits. I want to bring in ali very well shy. You get them up front. A refundable tax credit is generally something you have to file a tax return for. Right, you get it litter. This is called an advance refundable tax credit. Under obamacare when you sign up for insurance you could apply
the tax credit immediately. We havent gotten the nuts and bolts but this is an advance refund. You get it at the front ends. Thats how its supposed to work. If you are 20 years old you get 20,000 as you get older it increases. Now at 20 ive been looking around. Its hard to get a full 2,000. Of the at 60, there is zero chance you are getting a policy for 4,000. It might be a catastrophic policy but not going to cover nearly everything of as you earn more you will start to see them decrease. For individuals earning 75,000 or couples earning 150,000 they will not get the same size of tax credits. Heres the interesting part. Under obamacare for a 27yearold lets say, healthy, earning 20,000, on the low end they had they would get 3325 a
year in sub sid sees under obamacare. That person is now going get 2,000. If you are making 20,000 and 27 years he would. 20,000 for a 27yearold assuming you are relatively healthy. Under obamacare you were getting 3225 in subsidies and credits. To put towards health care. Right. Under the new plan you get 2 2,000. What this leads one to understand after studying it if you are ill dont earn much money or if you are old this is not going to be great for you. There is stuff we havent touched on yet, medicaid changes thats going to affect a lot of the poor. This is not a great thing for people who dont earn much money are sick or are old. Its hard to generalize because the a lot of the devils are going to be in the details. There are going to be outliars on all sides of this thing but when you generalize this is what you can come up with. This is instructive. Just seeing an example of one
particular kind of person. Ali thank you so much that helps me get my head around it. Earlier in the show in fact, now teleprompter is wrong right now. Let me talk about who we are going to join next. Its Tim Live Isser who knows a thing or two about one particular group of people that might be affected by this new Health Care Plan. That i people with disabilities. He of course is with the Special Olympics and joins me now. Tim, nice see you. Thanks for having me. Lets talk about the group you work closely with. People with disability. When you saw this new house plan what was your first thought . Are there some good things . Are there some concerns . We are all learning. I think its very early days. I think one of the great things that this president has done is inspired so many people to take an interesting in the legislative process. I suspect this draft will be the most read draft of a piece of legislation in the last ten years, especially by people
under 30. We are welcoming the process of elevating the needs of people with issues in abilities in this process. From what we can see the