Votes are being counted in all of those places and were continuously getting updates. It is close in all of those states, really close. As it stands, joe biden has nine paths to 270, druonald trump ju three. He needs pennsylvania and georgia, pennsylvania, or nevada. We were hearing of Court Filings and allegations from the trump Team Including an allegation of fraud in nevada. My colleague Jacob Soberoff tried valiantly to get campaign of that. Can you talk about the evidence that youre claiming thousands of ill legitimate veg ballots. You said there are no where is the evidence of the fraud . You havent presented any evidence of fraud . Where is the evidence . So were live on msnbc. You said there are thousands of illegitimate ballots. Where are the ball lolls . Good on jacob. Things are changing by the minute. Lets get right to it. Joining me from the big board is steve kornacki, kris jansing, vaughn hilliard, Jacob Soberoff, also with me the editor of the nevada independent john ralphson. Join me the state of play, where we are in the count right now. You can see that joe biden is leading in nevada by 11,000 votes. 76,000 votes, and we have gotten repor reports from reno. A lot of space here, not a lot of population. We also got some of the votes, some of the outstanding votes from clark county where is where las vegas is. This is where biden has the advantage. The votes announced from clark downty went 21 for biden over trump. Everything else that came out today was basically even favoring trump by a little bit. Now where does that leave us . It leaves us with not many votes left to come. There are a lot of votes to come still from clark county. If youre watching from a few minutes ago there was a press conference there about how long that was going to take them. Apparently there are about 50,000 votes due to be released tomorrow if we understood that correctly. These were mail and voting ballots that they dropped off or mail ballots that were received on election day. Nevada is one of the states that allows that. That is the type of vote that were talking about here. Nevada leads statewide right now and what the election is essentially coming down to is ab sen t absentee ballots. So far those votes that have been tabulated show biden leading by a 21 margin. If youre biden i think youre encouraged by what we know so far today from nevada. But you have to say it sounds like it will take them alittle while there. We have been waiting and waiting and waiting on this one. Yeah, lets talk about why were still waiting for more votes. He is legally obligated. I know that every legal vote needs to be counted, but it seems like the process of getting all of these ballots, the ones that they already have in their possession counted, it is taking a painfully long time. Are you in pain, katy . I am. Were all in pain. I think everyone watching around the world is in pain because nevada is taking so long. Steve had everything right and he is right and they will relate 51,000 votes from charge county. They will heavily favor joe biden. It is the democratic area of the state. The initial release of the states, that is what it has shown down here. Cas katy, they have been over whelmed. I think there is a lot of extrnl presh. There is 60,000 mail in ballots and about 60,000 provisional ballots. The cut into bidens lead. Bidens lead is almost certainly going to expand and probably by a significant amount tomorrow when they announce the 51,000 ballots. There is just no path here. Im sorry to interpret, let me ask you about logistics. Is it because they have to open up the ballots and feed them into a machine . Is that why it is taking so long. What is the process of receiving a ballot and putting it into a machine. They could have started putting them into the machine 14 days or 15 days before the election, katy, and they did start, and its like why didnt you get it more done . I dont think they had the staff and they werent set up for the ballots that came in, about 40,000 more ballots came in yesterday. They cant release the provisional ones, same day registration exists here, so they were about to get a provisional ballot. They wont even look at those until theyre done with mail. They want to make sure that none of those people voted twice. So the 60,000 mail in ballots, that is essentially all that is left and those will favor biden unless something very strange is going on. I get that were in a pandemic, but you would have hoped that the Staffing Levels would have been up. Clearly that didnt happen, the other news out of nevada is alleging 10,000 cases of fraud. There is no long er people illegally registered. You still have not gotten any evidence. Sub tweeting me is the appropriate language and again on social media they came out here, stood over there, gave their press conference about what they say are thousands of fraudulent ballots. They talk about them ending up in the trash can. And he played the video. They point their finger at the folks inside of this building and they say what about them, but it is an allegation that they are making. They talk about not being about to about serve election counting. I just showed on television that there is observers right now in there counting the vote. Farce i can see there is no evidence of voter fraud, and there is no evidence of lack of election observers in this facility. So i think now return to the lawsuit that has been filed in federal court. Look at the specifics there, and theyre saying essentially that well see you in court. They already had two other lawsuits here that have been unsuccessful. When they get there it is unclear if 10,000 votes would but enough to change what we see in nevada. Lets go to two other states, watching three other states, lets go to two of those. Lets go to pennsylvania and arizona also taking quite a long time. Understandably in pennsylvania because they could not start counting, but arizona also taking quite a bit of time even though they were able to start before election day. Yeah, lets look at arizona first, they did process a big which you know much chunk of the votes before election day. Then they were piling up, the day before, the day of election day, the ones that the folks drove in in person on election day. That is being counted now. That is being released now in arizona. We got over night a bunch of them being counted out. There is about 90,00024 hours ago. Now they have been tallied up, and a couple other counties as well. But maricopa is slar. It is about 60 or 65 of the state population. But anyway, they tallied up the counties, and trump was winning 58 of them, so that cut bidens lead. There are still hundreds of thousands of more of those ballots to be counted and released. There are others too. Some of the other smaller counties in arizona, so on paper the potential does exist, and it is possible that trump could over take joe biden and get in front and win arizona. So more of i think it was a update that vaughn can speak to this. Were going to get another update and those ballots will be very interesting to see how that goes. Pennsylvania checking in where we are here, okay that trump lead over joe biden now sits at 111,000. We have seen that tick down 1,000 here, 2,000 there. Steadily for a few hours tool. Let me show you again where these are all mail ballots, absentee ballots, and biden had a particularly large advantage among those votes in pennsylvania where the mail ballot option was used disproportionately by democrats. I want to show you where the remaining vote is in pennsylvania to give you a sense of this. You can see by far the bulk of it, the giant circle here, that is philadelphia. That is the biggest city and in philadelphia just to give you a sense of thousand is going overall, joe biden is winning the city of philadelphia with 80 of the vote. But that is all of the votes. Votes cast on election day in person. When you look at the mail in ballots that are being processed now they are winning them like 90 and you still have upwards of 100,000 votes. Biden will win the over whelping share of those. When youre looking at a situation where the statewide margin right now is 111,000 you look at what philadelphia represents. You look at what biden is doing, and you see where else the votes come from. Right outside of philadelphia, delaware county, that is a biden county. Also in where allentown is, biden doing well in the mail vote, and there are a lot of pockets here. There is philadelphia and a number of pockets that are out there as well. Biden has the potential and he has to make up 111,000 votes. Just as you see a path way for trump in arizona, you can see a path for biden in pennsylvania, and it might be wider than the one that trump has out in arizona. If biden takes pennsylvania its over, right . Yeah, road to 270, here is where we are, bide at 253. If he takes pennsylvania, he is president elect. Steve kornacki, thank you. Kris jansing, there is protests right now. Democrats probabeople presumabl to keep the vote going, and trump voters that want to stop the count going. How is the situation down there as these votes get counted. There was a lot of concerns among Election Officials and National Security officials about these molts post election day getting really tense. Yeah, it has been intense here in harrisburg. We had a pretty growing protest. They have been shouting stop the vote. If you count votes that come in after election day is fraudulent which is untrue. We should also point out that here in pennsylvania the three days for a mailin ballot to arrive was part of a large voting reform effort that was approved in a bipartisan fashion. That particular amendment, friday at 5 00 ballots could still come in was proposed by a republican. But we did have a couple tense moments as folks on the other side came, at one point, and they surrounded a guy. They were able to diffuse the situation, but yes the things that the president has been saying about this being a fraudulent, stolen election is resonating with people like you see behind me, katy. I said probably democrats wanting the vote to keep going, that is not just democrats, we can imagine,. Youre in arizona, a place where overnight we saw some tension between Trump Supporters who were there, not demanding to stop the count but demanding that the count continue. They want to be able to watch the count. Theyre alleging which is not tr true. Where the office where the votes are counted, clear it up. Who is monitoring the ballots getting counted . Yes, inside of that area you have observers. And you not only have observers but you have, if there is any skr discrepancy, it goes into the hands of a individual, picked by the Democratic Party and a individual picked by the republican party. They look at that ballot. If there is a mark, a little old question about how that bubble was filled in, those two individuals, a democrat and a republican, decide together. Outside of last night you saw about 100 folks out there chanting where are the votes. They are being processed. There is such an enormous amount of votes cast and ballots that came in particularly late here and they are backlogged. Thats not what county officials wanted. They didnt want hundreds of thousands of ballots left on their door temperature here. Step here. Even the chairman of the board of supervisors, and theyre saying that everything is going fine. So these questions being raised are not in line with what officials, republicans, and democrats here are saying. There is also a live stream that were showing of the votes being counted. Just because you dont like what is happening doesnt mean that there is anything nefarious going on in is democracy. This is how it works, but we wish we lived in a placed that that a better handle on our elections and getting these counted faster, frankly, so there was not drama post election day. Thank you. At this hour the state of georgia remains too close to call. And the Trump Campaign launched a legal blitz. A legal blitz. Also michigan secretary of state who was sued by the Trump Campaign, will join us. S sued b campaign, will join us here . Nope. Here. When the middle of nowhere, is somewhere. The all new chevy trailblazer. Making lifes journey, just better. Recount the vote. The donald Trump Campaign is sending mixed messages. We expect there to be a filing in nevada soon. There has been filings to stop counting the voting, but in just the past hour a judge declined the lawsuit in michigan. In georgia a recount was dismissed by a judge. Both campaigns are now trying to raise cash to pay for the expected legal costs. Team trump sent at least a dozen emails and texts asking for money for an election defense fund. Kamala harris says the fight could stretch for weeks. Phil rutger is joining me now. And msnbc legal analyst michael kang. So the Trump Campaign is going to try to fight this in the courts. Theyre not getting favorable rulings right now. From what you were hearing how far are they going to take this . They said they are determined to fight this legal fight until the president is declared the winner of course the numbers are not looking in the president s favor. There is an attempt here by the Trump Campaign to file a number of lawsuits in pennsylvania, for example, that could have the effect of slowing down the process there, but we got an indication from state officials earlier that theyre proceeded at a rapid pace. The president is insisting, as he said publicly, late and in the Early Morning hours of wednesday, that he has won the election and that it is being stolen from him. There is zero evidence of that yet the Trump Campaign is pushing forward with the lawsuits. Theyre claiming evidence of fraud without siting it, showing it, or without it existing to anyones knowledge and it is being driven by the president. He wants to win and he thinks it is being taken away from him. Michael, do you expect the Trump Campaign to appeal some of the decisions. They just lost that filing in michigan to stop counting the votes. How far can they take it through the legal system . When will they hit a wall . I think they will hit a wall soon. They dont have a lot of merit and they cant back up a lot of the claims as widespread fraud or wrong doing in is a legal process. You cant just make the courts and expect the court to just do whatever you want. You have to substantiate these. I suspect that a lot of what theyre doing is as much political theater as it is legal strategy. So i think what theyre trying to do a little bit here is muzy the water with their legal strategy. The legal claims dont seem to be convincing courts of much wrong doing going on or having any effect at changing votes or throwing out votes day dont want counted. What about the suit that they are expected to file in nevada alleging that there are 10,000 ballots that went to to people that are no longer legal voters. How do you separate out the ballots once theyre already in the system and the names are no longer attached . I think the judge doesnt have to make a decision other than to hear the evidence that the Trump Campaign brings forward. So they have to make and prove this point beyond allegations. We dont know what ed they have that proves this point, but the burden is on them. So the ruj wijudge will review and make a quick decision. How that affects the county and throwing out certain ballots rather than others, i imagine that it is too late. Once the ballots are received and processed theyre secret. So i think sorting that out in the end is very difficult. I think the question is that if youre alleging it is 10,000 voter and the margin is bigger then it wont change the outcome. What would, even if the Trump Campaign is right about their claim, does it change the outcome or the count. And the court will not hear that. What is Rudy Giuliani being involved in this . They clearly dont have a jim baker at their disposal, so he is the best the president has in terms of legal talent and political strategy. And we saw him in philadelphia yesterday and he is clearly the front man when it comes to the battle in pennsylvania, he has been the president s lawyer for year and defended him in another number of instances. Many scholars dont think he is the sharpest one to be making the argument. So he is the zoom or skype equivalent of the anonymous egg on twitter. Oh no thank you, there you are. There is your shining smiling face. Thats what i meant. Its 2020, katy. I havent had much sleep. It has been 28 years since georgia voted for a president ial candidate. Could it be on the verge of doing so again in well go live on the ground where the final votes are being counted . Both camps say theyre confident in winning the election. Only one can be right. Well get the thinking behind the campaigns with two of our reporters, next. E campaigns wit reporters, next. [ engines revving ] its amazing to see them in the wild like th shhh. [ engine revs ] for those who were born to ride, theres progressive. Tonight, try pure zzzs all night. Unlike other sleep aids, our extended release melatonin helps you sleep longer. And longer. Zzzquil pure zzzs all night. Fall asleep. Stay asleep. Both camps think that theyre candidate is on track to win. And covering the Biden Campaign, ali vitali. I dont know how your eyes are not crossed at this point. I saw you at 4 00 a. M. And youre still there at 2 00 p. M. The biden team, tell me what theyre thinking right now . I think for the Biden Campaign what i frankly said to you this morning at 4 30 holds true. They have been bullish on their takes in this race for over the course of the last few days and what we heard on a call earlier stood that they believe that victory is imminent. And imminent in this case a funny word because you can read the data, do the math, and make predictions, but the counting will take how long it takes. We all knew that counting would take longer, but living in that reality now i can tell you that in talking to sources there is a little bit of a sense that if they believe that victory is imminent they would like to get there already. On the first track theyre preparing on the legal front. We know theyre starting to plant the seeds in legal challenges. Bob bauer saying theyre silly and merit less and that they will be met with the biden legal team. Theyre also setting up a fund for those election suits. The Trump Campaign is doing the same. The other track theyre preparing on right now is the transition. 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