Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20170

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20170615

Sourced. 99 are getting pushed around and the 1 are not giving a dam. Amazing that this is the second story of the day, a huge one. Obstruction of justice. Reports out that the special counselor is zeroing in on President Trump perhaps with criminal charges surrounding james comeys finding and trying to halt the russian investigation. So much to cover. Good to be here in washington where were going to begin where House Republicans are meeting as we speak to talk over yesterdays tragic shooting. The house officially convenes in about 60 minutes, but today no such thing as business as usual. Not after this. Each and every lawmaker arriving here this morning. It is painful, painfully aware, that one of their leaders, majority whip Steve Scalise remains in Critical Condition, hospitalized just a few miles away. Youre looking at live at Nationals Park where the game is still scheduled for tonight. This game, this unity, important more than ever. And our team is covering every angle. I want to start with nbcs tom costello at medstar washington hospital. Tom, tell us, who is there and give us an update on everyones condition. Well, we have at least two people here and most importantly, i think in terms of the injury, we have representative Steve Scalise, the gop whip, last night President Trump came here to the hospital along with the first lady to pay his respects to representative scalise. But the injuries are quite more severe than maybe we first expected yesterday. He was shot in the hip and he is now in Critical Condition. His staff is telling us that, in fact, that bullet traversed through the pelvis, causing significant internal injuries. Not only to organs but also bones that were damaged and significant bleeding. He had several units of blood last night and also underwent emergency surgery. Another operation is still planned for representative scalise. We have other members as well, rather other individuals, who are here and being treated. That includes i should tell you, of the six, we had zachary barth, who was shot in the leg. He was treated and released. Matt mika, shot in the chest. He worked for tysons food, a lobbyist. We dont have an update on his condition. Officer crystal griner is here at the hospital, shot in the ankle, with the Capitol Hill Police and her partner officer david bailey, injured not shot, treated and released, representative Roger Williams injured in the ankle as well, not shot. What happened was, as those Capitol Hill Police officers returned fire several [ no audio ] i want to turn now i think we lost sound. I want to turn to nbcs garret hake live at the baseball field in alexandria where the tragic shooting unfolded. Garret, take us there. What more do we know about the gunman, extraordinary he had been around that area for as long as four weeks . Thats right, stephanie. Last night the fbi said they think hodgkinson, 66 years old, has been living in a van here in Northern Virginia, possibly since early april. Before that he was a home inspector in illinois and police there were familiar with him from an incident in late march where they were called to his house to the reports of the sound of gunfire. They found him in his backyard shooting a rifle at some trees. They didnt feel any crime had been committed. He owned that weapon and let him go about his business after telling him not to do that. That gun and a handgun thought to be involved in this case are at the center of the fbis investigation. They want to find out more about those guns. Theyre combing through hodgkinsons social media profiles and theyre also trying to get in touch with anyone he might have spoken to back in illinois or here in Northern Virginia about his plans or anyone he talked to at all to get a sense of his state of mind. We spoke to some people who knew him yesterday. He did about things he was interested in. He was he was not stupid by any means. I was just characterize him as rationale, a loner. He never backed down from anybody. In a bar fight or whatever. He stood his ground. But he wasnt evil. He was tired of some of the politics of that were going on. And, obviously, his politics had become so much a part of the story. We know that he was a supporter of vermont senator bernie sanders, had volunteered for him. Senator sanders came out yesterday to condemn this, saying he had absolutely nothing to do with this and condemned violence of any kind by any of his supporters. The fbi is being cautious about ascribing a motive to this shooting, despite the political leanings of the shooter. Stephanie. All right. Thanks so much, garret. We mentioned this earlier, one of the men shot is already out of the hospital. Zachary barth, he serves as an a aide to congressman Roger Williams and described the scene with his boss earlier on today. They started shooting at me. I was pinned down in right field. And at that point, i got struck in the leg and made a run for it. I was running for my life. All of a sudden here comes zach and he jumped in there and all of a sudden here we were arm to arm and mel brooks took his belt off and gave it to flake and i and we helped put a tourneyket on zachs leg to help his bleeding and we stayed down. North carolina congressman mark walker was also on the field yesterday. Hes the starting pitcher for the republican team. First, i am so sorry for the ordeal that you went through, but here you are, a little more than 24 hours since the shooting, youve had time to process this. Where is your head at now from whats gone on . You can see the mood this morning. I was a pastor nearedy two decades dealing with people who has gone through crisis a lot of adrenaline and starts to resonate a little bit. Weve been very appreciative of the democrats reaching out giving us hugs. We had a collective time of prayer that i was able to lead with both houses yesterday. A lot of encouragement here in the house today. Can you give us an idea, again, because when theres adrenaline after its hard to remember what you saw, when you think back now, what did you experience . What did you see at the time . I think back over the last month and a half and noticing this guy a time or two, now that youve seen the pictures, just hanging out there, the ymca is adjacent where i believe he joined in march or april you remember seeing his face . I remember seeing this guy. Kind of background distance and knowing that youve been warming up there in the bull pen or in the batting cages where this guy was literally 20, 25 feet away from you at times it is unnerving. But also, want to make sure that we spend some time focusing on some heroic work on not just the members but the special agents that kicked into action yesterday as well. Its unnerving so take me back 24 hours or if youre to go to that field and practice tomorrow, would you want more security . Would you want to carry a weapon yourself . It is something that we have to think about. I dont want to rush to that judgment because i like being accessible. We did four town halls a couple weeks ago. As leaders we have a responsibility to carry ourselves with a certain statesmanship. Were going to still have our differences. Our countrys history has been full of differences. But how we share and how we relay those i think is something were going to have to rethink. You mentioned bipartisanship prayer. You led that prayer yesterday. Could there be some sort of Silver Lining that a call for unity or bipartisan could come from this. These are men and women youve been working with for 20 years and things are divided and divisive right now. Could this be a moment where you say hold on, weve got a common goal here to serve this country . I hope so. As a person of faith, were called to love people. It doesnt say if they vote the way that you do or if they believe the way that you do or have the same life tile choice. Were called to love people. I hope that comes out of that a little more doesnt mean that were going to have to mix it up from time to time but the rhetoric we use sharing what we believe is going to be important in moving in the days ahead. Get practical with me. How do you think youre really going to do that . Even in the last 24 hours, weve seen conservatives say that attack was a terrorist attack from the left, the president this morning has already tweeted, some of those involved in doing the special counsel against him are bad people. Those are already some of the words were hearing, and were also hearing very aggressive words from the left, from a practical standpoint, how can you be an agent of change . Thats a great question. I think it starts you get an extra point every time you say that so you know. Good. I think it starts with genuine relationships. Theres a lot of super fish yalty in our country today and until i know about whats going on with you and your family and children and parents in a way that im genuinely caring where you are in life, Chris Christie said something about three years ago, i dont know him well, but at a breakfast when i ran tore congress, its harder to hate up close. I believe that, once you know each other you understand maybe a little the differences. Like any relationship. When you have genuinely care about each other youre able to work through those differences than you were not. That means a change in behavior. Years ago when Ronald Reagan was president people moved their families here. Their kids were on Little League together and went to cocktail parties. Now Mitch Mcconnell and Elizabeth Warren dont make eye contact. You are up close. Just not being nice to each other. It doesnt happen by accident. It has to have a certain intentionality, where that is definitive times that you spend together working through these issues and its not just the members. External forces that continue to drive those divisions as well and dare i say people who profit from them. Tell me about the game tonight. You are the starting pitcher. Yes. Whats in store . Some have said why dont we mix it up, put republicans and democrats on the same team. Thats not a bad idea. I think we enjoy having fun and competing just like you do with growing up with your brothers and sisters got at it full speed and shake hands. I believe this is going to be a different tone tonight than weve seen in the past. This is my third year. I look forward to pitching against Cedric Richmond of the democrats tonight. I think the spirtsd of tit will of unity and congeniality. Does that mean youre going to go easy on them . Not at all. Youre still in it to win it. Strike as many out as i can. There you go. Thank you so much. Thank you for joining me today. We have to get to that other huge story that broke last night. Amazing this is the second story of the day and this big. The Washington Post reporting the special counsel is now looking into whether President Trump himself tried to obstruct justice. Robert mueller is looking into interview three intelligence officials as early as this week about their interactions with the president. Nbcs Peter Alexander is at the white house. Peter, the president has taken to twitter this morning responding. Tell us more about it . Lets be clear, this could be one of the biggest developments to date in this investigation. President trump lashing out on the reports hes being investigate for the possibility of obstruction of justice. From a series of tweets he wrote. They made up a phony collusion with the russian story, found zero proof and now go for obstruction of justice. On the phony story. Nice. Then later tweeting you are witnessing the single greatest witch hunt in american political history led by some very bad and conflicted people. As you noted, this comes after the Washington Post reports that the special Counsel Robert Mueller is looking into whether the president obstructed justice with mueller planning to entire two of the nations top intelligence officials right now. Dan coats, the dni, director of National Intelligence and admiral mike rogers, the head of the nsa. Theres also reporting today from the wall street journal, this is about a phone call with admiral rogers, that where the president questioned whether russia really had interfered with the election and tried to convince mr. Rogers to say publicly there was no evidence of collusion. Between his campaign and russian officials. It is said by the journal that admiral Rogers Deputy kept a memo of that conversation. Mueller reportedly entered this phase of the investigation a matter of days after President Trump fired james comey. That was on may 9th last month. The president s outside legal team are not denying this. They did give a statement to nbc news that reads, the fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal. Stephanie. What a web this is, peter. Thank you so much. This is a major story still unfolding. Were going to take a break. Up next here in washington, were going to cover a lot more on that bombshell report. Our legal team here to break down what happens next with the obstruction of justice investigation. More on the shooting. Will it bring politicians here in washington together. We hope so. We may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our Nations Capital is here because above all, they love our country. Bar whoer threw it has to go get it. 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In a Major Development the special counsel is now looking into whether President Trump tried to obstruct justice. Thats right. Our president. He responded to the Washington Post reporting this morning via twitter saying quote, they made up a phony collusion with the russian story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on this phony story. Nice. In another tweet, he called it, quote, the single greatest witch hunt in american political history. I want to bring in ashah, a former fbi special agent now an associate dean at Yale Law School and tom served as Deputy Assistant attorney general from 2007 to 2009, a lawyer for george w. Bush. Tom, the Home Court Advantage and i will go to you first. As far as obstruction of justice theres been, obviously, the president tweeting this morning but the fact that the president is tweeting, is this can we take this as an admission that he is being investigated for obstruction . Because we havent heard that per se . We havent heard it per se. Like so many things in the investigation the whole process is being driven in large part by anonymous leaks. It doesnt surprise me if, in fact, the special counsel is investigating obstruction. Certainly we heard the testimony from mr. Comey, weve heard reports from other people and again, this is not an indict, its not a finding that a crime has occurred, its merely the special counsel asking questions of people who might have relevant information as the special counsel goes forward with this investigation. Ashah, how hard is it to prove obstruction . I mean it seems up to this point especially in the news cycle, people hear what they want to hear, the debate over the intent of the word hope. Its not black and white, is it . Its not black and white and intent is probably the hardest part of the obstruction of justice statute to prove because you have to show that the person, in this case the president acted with corrupt intent, with an intention to do something unlawful, so theres going to have to be more than what weve seen for it to get to a point of being charged and potentially get a conviction. I think we also need to remember that there are going to be more people interviewed and as more people are interviewed, and we get more information about conversations that the president had, either regarding comeys ring or w he thought about th investigation and how h thought it

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