Announce something in his fight to get the socalled Citizenship Question onto the census. It does appear he is simply going to ask the Commerce Department to continue to do what it does. An Administration Source tells nbc news that the president is going to direct his administration to get that citizenship data through other ways, which they already do. We have no that what that means. Hes actually going to announce that in a minute. Because the administration might be thinking that it wins politically by keeping up this fight even if it lost legally. How . Well, maybe might be frightening hispanics from even filling out the census forms. Well have much more on this breaking news when the president speaks. I think they are trying to decide whether to do it indoors or outdoors. But in the meantime, we have breaking news. Its a bit of a shakeup in the president ial race that youre going to want to see right here first on meet the press daily. These are the first nbc wall street journal polls. This is the front page of the leader board, folks. And the big news is that the biden and warren are at the top and sanders is not. So why is biden and warren in the lead . Because this is race is a tale of proprimaries. Biden leads by 20. While warren lags as you see there among the top five candidates she is in fifth place. But among liberal democrats, warren is ahead of everybody. She leads by 11 while its biden who lags a bit in that one. As big of a story as whos jockeying at the top is whos stuck at the bottom. Look at all these names. At either 1 which gets you to the next debate or basically less than one at zero. Sitting governors, none of them are going to make the stage at the third debate in september with numbers like these. But lets go back to the top tier. And, frankly, we do have a top tier of five candidates. Biden and warren, theyre 12 position shows you that democrats are divided and not just along ideological lines. They are also divided about what specifically they want from a candidate and a nominee and how much they want it. Joining me now bloomberg news, marcus, and column bisque at the washington post, and betsy woodruff. As also our fourth member is former republican congressman. He is down in the lovely place of miami, florida. Hello to all of you. So, betsy, let me start with you. First reactions here. Biden under 30, warren surging, sanders is, i think, the most interesting story out of this poll. Its interesting that the only demographic, at least as far as these numbers were broken down where sanders is winning is 18 to 49yearold democratic primary voters. With the youths he does, with just about any discreet group on here, though, hes having a hard time. The other thing that stood out to me that this poll shows is how much of a problem Elizabeth Warren currently has with africanamerican voters. Among white voters she is at 22 . With africanamerican voters, she is only at 8 . That is something shes going to have to change in a significant, big, fast way if she wants to be a competitor. And i think the interesting flipside of that is Vice President biden among those very same africanamerican voters. They have him at 46 . And this is after some unfortunate comments that he has apologized for after the debate, after his comments, after his apology. So this is the fallout. That is very good news for Vice President biden. By the way, pete buttigieg, 3 among africanamericans there. Yes, warren has problems, buttigieg has more problems. And thats an improvement compared to the recent polls hes gotten which are even worse. Warren at 17 points. Im struck by the africanamerican voters, biden still Dom United States 46 to harris. Now harris definitely helped herself in a certain way. Its the first time shes been in second among africanamerican voters. Warren far behind. Warren has a way to go with africanamerican voters. It is most important for demographic primary voters. A candidate who shares my view is 51 . A candidate with the best chance to beat trump is 45 . Now i highlight this because it is almost the exact breakdown between liberal democrats make up 53 of our poll, and moderate to centrist democrats make 45 of our poll. So it wont be a surprise to you that i think that breaks out a bit along ideological lines. Vice President Biden is trying to speak to both the liberal base and to swing voters at the same time. His theory is that he needs to build that coalition when those swing voters if hes going to succeed in november. In a way hes running for the primary and the general at the same time. Theres a lot of risk associated with that these days because base voters tend to dominate base primaries. He can make it. And by the way, this polling has to make the president and his team a little nervous. Joe biden being resilient is not something that i think the trump team wants to see. I still believe hes the candidate they fear the most because he can compete for those voters that President Trump took away from Hillary Clinton in 2016. So i think looking at needs numbers has to make a few people in the white house a little nervous. Well, were going to have those numbers for you over the weekend. Thatll be i think interesting for folks to look at. So for the table here i want to show you, we also asked you among democratic primary voters, do you want to see more change even if its complicated, more costly to do. We tried to reword this. 54 want something even though they may be less likely and more costly think medicare for all, they still are more aspirational about it with 41 . Heres whats interesting there. In that group, you wont be surprised. Warren leads among. She has a plan for big change. And its interesting that shes doing better than sanders is in that group, given that sanders has spent the last four years using very explicit terminology, uses the word revolution. The fact that that messaging hasnt made him the winner among this particular group of democratic primary voters is indicative i think of a challenge for him going forward. One other sanders problem. Hes only polling at 3 among primary voters who are over 50. Thats a huge issue given the way that age impact how people vote. Given the fact that old people vote. Thats right. And the revolutionaries and the increment lists, most of this breaks down cleanly. We know where biden. And the voters have figured it out. The voters know who are the big detailed people, who are the big idea people, who are the people who are trying to get everyone to get along. And we know who the revolutionaries are. Kamala harris is a little bit of both. She embraces some incrementalist ideas. She is supporting the singlepayer bill that warren has cosponsored. So some of them are walking the line here, whereas others are cleanly in one category or the other. And you can see to the harris point that in these groupings she doesnt perform at the top of either group. She doesnt perform at the top of the revolutionaries or at the top of the moderates, but she performs adequately in both. And the question is whether thats the compromise is a lane for her in this situation. I tell you, though, carlos, i feel like im hearing ruths description and i remember people saying, oh, marco rubio is a guy like this description of Kamala Harris is the description that most republicans gave marco rubio four years ago. Hes a little bit of the base that hes a little bit of the governing wing. He could straddle this fence, and as we find out primary voters dont like straddlers, right . You got to pick a side. Yeah. The perfect candidate isnt always the candidate that wins. And certainly marco rubio who i supported in 2016 after jeb bush dropped out was a very attractive, charismatic, strong candidate for republicans. But thats not what voters were looking for that year. And i think whats happening to bernie sanders, chuck, is something that could happen to President Trump. He was loud. Some people would say he was radical. Same thing with the president. The first time you do that, it calls a lot of attention. The second time it starts getting a little old, and people start looking for other options. No. The president himself is realizing his tweets dont get the same amount of attention. He wants to blame social media. Its probably because people are just worn out by him. Thats the market. Let me put up the big one here on issues which we asked about singlepayer health care. Overall, was a split that was fairly even. 44 in favor of it, 49 against it. But when you look inside the numbers and you see these splits, 72 of democrats want it, but only 36 of independents and only 14 of republicans. Ruth marcus, those arent numbers that tell you they can run on single payer, at least when i look at that independent number. Thats to me the warning sign for democrats there. And they the Democratic Candidates are going to have to get a little bit more specific and a little bit more clear including to themselves senator harris about what they mean when they say singlepayer. We are all going to have a little bit of an education on that. And the voters are waiting to see. And the voters are waiting to see it. And its a real challenge for the Democratic Candidates to be able to describe and concoct a singlepayer plan that both attracts and animate the base and it doesnt freak everybody else out about whats going to happen to the health care they have and they like. They say do you want medicare for all . They say yes. Then you tell them eliminating private insurance doesnt necessarily mean theyre going to lose their doctor hospital. And they say, oh, yeah, i like that one. There is another possible analog for Kamala Harris. She either looks perfect on paper but cant translate it or shes another barack obama. I dont know. Whats interesting here, our polls basically say the two candidates with growth potential, they see as harris and buttigieg. And thats why i think the next debate is going to be so critical because the question is, um, Vice President biden seemed to have survived a very bad debate according to this poll. How will he do next time around . What will that be . Senator harris clearly benefitted from the debate. Can she capitalize even more on the next one . Something thats going to turbo charge buttigieg or has the potential to is the fact that donors love him. He was able to raise so much money in the second three months of this year. As hes trying to narrow that gap, the fact that hell be able too hire a bunch of people, push out ads, potentially engage in a strategic way could be a game changer. Carlos, do you look at this, do you try to look at somebody that you would get comfortable voting for if you wanted to choose somebody other than donald trump . I know youre not the biggest fan, but you are also a party loyalist. Is that how you look at this race as youre watching it, or do you look at it through another lens . Chuck, i think the 10 to 15 of republicans who disapprove of republicans are watching this democratic primary closely. They are hoping that someone emerges who they could support. Not going to agree with this person on a lot of the issues, but because theyre so turned off by the president s rhetoric and his style, the democratic nominee could win a significant share of republican votes. Now, if its someone to the far left its going to be very difficult for those republicans to reach that far. But if its a centrist like biden or like buttigieg who appears to be trying to occupy some of that center space as well, i think those candidates could be successful among the dissfd republicans. You know, the final poll number i want to put up here is we asked democrats who they were impressed with at the debate. I want to put up the top four. And you were allowed to give up to three answers. Harris the top one at 47. Warren next at 32. Buttigieg and biden sort of a distant tied for third. Harris owned night. Two and it seems as if heres 60 told our pollsters say they watch that debate. When there was the initial perception that she was in something that could be arguably viewed as the kidstable debate, that can you see someday anxiety. But the fact that it went well for her, voters seem to be pleased and excited about how she performed. I think thats a relief. Not only that. But i think we look back and say warren won the first debates, not harris. Harris, by taking biden down, also had to take on some water doing it. Warren kept her hands clean. There was a difference in opinion in the warren team. This poll says. Mostly undercards. Not once in that debate on the first night did anybody turn to Elizabeth Warren and challenge her, not once. She had a free ride, basically. Which is something we have to remember, yet, ruth. She was in the barrel precampaign trying to fix this native american issue. So i think they both won, warren and harris. Well, no doubt. I think warren won and didnt have to take on any water to do it. Harris needed to do i think to break out and to show herself. There is, you know, a history of people, the attacker who takes down the frontrunner is never the one who actually really benefits from the attack historically. But you got to do what you got to do. So i think they each won their night. I want to come back to this later in the hour. But i do think a lot of the 1 ers. Among people that dont normally act desperate. There were some candidates at the bottom tier who had some impressive moments. Were not seeing that in the poll. And you cant say its a name recognition issue anymore. Thats the issue. There has to be a point where the bookers and gillibrands realize that despite their best effort, they havent caught fire and the moment may have passed. Well see. I think the july debates will be fascinating. The point is when the money monies run. So you guys are stick around up ahead as we wait to hear what the heck the president is about to say about the census and the Citizenship Question and whether hes just going to order the federal government to do what it always does when it comes to studying citizenship. We are going to try to figure this out. And later the democratic divisions obviously are in full display of the president ial race. Well, guess what, theres a new rounding fighting between nancy pelosi and alexandria ocasiocortez. 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Reporter well, chuck, the where is in itself a story because with rain threatening the idea that the president would not give up on the notion of doing this in the rose garden says a lot about his mood, and its sort of a metaphor for the larger issue. The president has a vision of what he wants to do and doesnt want to back away from that. Now lets talk about the Citizenship Question. Its nearly 11 hours since the president tweeted about his plan to hold this event and through the day its been one of the instances that really stands out in my memory of covering the Trump Administration where it has been very difficult to get any answers about what would actually be in the specifics. Weve been told its an executive action but told not to call it an executive order, that it might be one of the other tools available to the president. Weve been told that it might be a track separate from the census, which has been what this fight has all been about where the president wants to have a means to find out how many u. S. S ises are in the country, how many noncitizens, how many immigrants who are legally here but not are naturalized are present. He wanted tooed that with the census and because of the legal roadblocks and the timing constraints, he may have hit the end of the road. So we expect the president will talk about the decision hes made to call upon the Commerce Department to do this question. But we dont know the form it will take or if it will have anything to do with the census any longer. Chuck . All right. So, pete, this sounds like to me the president was desperate to get the Justice Department to find a legal way to do this, and they just couldnt do it. Is that your sense, number one . And, second, if the president is going to order the Census Bureau to keep track of american citizenship, as you wrote earlier, its asking the Census Bureau to do a job it already does. Yeah. I think youre right about it that. I think the Justice Department realiz