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I really mean it when i say i could talk to these friends for another hour. My thanks to all of them, and mostly to you for watching. Chuck todd with mtp daily starts now. Welcome to tuesday. It is meet the press daily. Good evening. Im chuck todd in washington where another round of potential bombshell testimony as the president and his allies once again struggle to defend him as democrats unveil their official road map for the next phase of the impeachment inquiry. This afternoon the house laid out a resolution that will lay out the rules and procedures that will govern the next phase that will include public hearings and the official rollout of the impeachment. It will include an ability for President Trump to have attorneys around. Meanwhile, there was more potentially explosive testimony in the investigation itself from Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman. He is a purple heart recipient, a National Security official who was in on the infamous phone call with the ukraine president. He testified that ukraine a National Security threat, and he twice notified his Chain Of Command and notified the top warrior at the National Security council. To give you a sense of the apparent alarm over this testimony, some of the president s allies even reverted to Smearing Vindman with a trope about his immigrant background, a dual loyalty attack that any jew, catholic, muslim knows anything about. Trump said he was, quote, a never trumper, someone the president has also called human scum. He also says hes a nonpartisan veteran and patriot. He worried him digging up dirt would, quote, undermine National Security. And after listening in on the president s phone call with the ukraine president , vindman was so alarmed that he notified his top security adviser. The alarm was sounded on a second occasion after Gordon Sondland told the ukranians that they needed to deliver, quote, specific investigations, unquote, and that included the bidens, joe and hunter biden, and burisma. Jeff, vindman, is he done . No, hes not done. Testimony in Something Like that tends to last eight to ten hours, so he has a few hours to go, chuck. On the substance of it, which you laid out, here you have an army officer assigned to the white house National Security council show up today in full uniform in his dress blues and made the point that he twice flagged complaints about this ukranian pressure campaign, this ukranian gambit. In his Opening Statement said he did not think it was proper for this government to demand demand was an interesting word choice that he chose to demand a Foreign Government to investigate a u. S. Citizen. In that same Opening Statement, he liens heavily eans heavily oy service, speaks highly of the duty to his country. He fled the soviet union when he was three years old, fled the soviet union for the u. S. That was the grounds that some in the Chattering Class followed that smear, suggesting his loyalties laid elsewhere. Interestingly enough, the tweet you read from President Trump basically saying, why is this guy i never met testifying about me . Democrats say that is precisely the problem. Here you have a man who was a top expert at the nfc, and donald trump didnt know who he was. Why . Because trump was leaning on Rudy Giuliani, was leaning on rick perry, on Gordon Sondland to pressure ukraines leader to manufacture dirt on the bidens, chuck. And, jeff, what can you tell us about Gordon Sondlands decision to review his transcript . Reporter yeah, he came back here to review his transcript yesterday. That in itself is not necessarily unordinary. Other witnesses have come back to review the hourlong transcript. Whats interesting, though, is that sondlands testimony looks really curious because it is undercut by vindmans testimony. Sondland said at times, i dont recall, where it might set him up for perjury. They think he may have legal cover on some of those grounds, that he was not specific on things that could have gotten him in trouble. Let me move over to the white house. Hans nichols, the rest of the company wrote back today on kber effect phone calls. He seems to be plindside twhd one. Its almost as if he just learned this Morning Thaveveryt Trump was up to. They either sign a letter saying donald trump should never be president. There are no implications that he ever expressed the ability publicly of the president. The president has been relatively quiet, right . If he has something to say, he generally makes the opportunity. That didnt happen today. By midmorning and late afternoon, he hasnt said much on twitter. Let me caveat that with saying i had to look at my phone for the last two minutes, and white house officials seem to be huddling trying to find out what their response would be to this revolution that is laying out the parameters for this next phase of impeachment. I suspect well hear from the president on that before we hear from somebody specific about what we learned from Alexander Vindman today. Hans, im glad you brought up the impeachment resolution. It essentially gives the president president s, do they want more . They want more. Theyre not convinced whats being read out in tit. It lays out what theyll be offering, and officials are struggling to reconcile what they read in the evolution r. They dont want them to question the entire impeachment proceedings. Hans, very quickly, is it possible this is todays relative quiet throughout the d daily is it lawmakers struggling tlup, but it seems like they were r going so far. Benjamin hans nichols with Important News to start us off. Joining me now is virginia democratic congressman jerry conley. The house was present today at the closed door vindman deposition, congressman conley. Let me just start with a simple question about what youre willing to share about the deposition. Weve obviously got the opening stateme statement. What have you learned beyond the Opening Statement that youre willing to share . Well, obviously i cant really comment directly on testimony in closed session, but let me just say i was struck by the fact this individual came forward because of patriotic duty. Hes not a diplomat, hes not a politician, he is a soldier. A soldier who won a purple heart. A soldier who is an immigrant. He was born in ukraine and came to this country when he was three. And he loves america. He was bothered by what he heard and felt dutybound to express his concern to a superior. I think all of america is in his debt. How important or did others inside that room try to make a big deal about where he was born . No. In fact, i think people went out of their way to reassure him and separate themselves from those reprehensible views that were aired yesterday. On both sides of the aisle . Even on both sides of the aisle. Gordon sondlands testimony, we know he wanted to go back and review his transcript. Based on what you have learned between this, does Gordon Sondland need to come back before the committee . I think Gordon Sondland would be well advised to come back to the committee and clarify his testimony in a number of respects. There is testimony, obviously, that seems to be at variance with that of mr. Sondland. So far, of anybody youve taken deposition from, is this the only time youve run into some contradictions . You mean with respect to Gordon Sondland . Is this the biggest contradiction of testimony youve heard from Gordon Sondland compared to others . Im sure youve got different versions of events, but is this the most stark . I would say its the one that stands out, yes. Youre right, there are some variances here and there, but not on fundamental narrative. Almost everything weve heard corroborates the underlying narrative in almost all respects. There was a story over the weekend in the Washington Post, and its filled with a lot of anonymous sources, unfortunately, because its about the questioning that has taken place behind closed doors. But the report indicates the Washington Post seems to indicate, and let me read you a portion of it. Republican members and staffers have repeatedly raised the name of a person suspected of filing the whistleblower complaint that exposed trumps effort to pressure ukraine to conduct investigations into his political adversaries, officials said. Republicans appear to be seeking ways to discredit the whistleblower as well as other witnesses, quote, by trying to dredge up any information they can what officials said. Did you notice today an attempt to try to identify the whistleblower . Chuck, let me say this. Its no secret that the white house, President Trump himself, and his employees here have tried to wedge a campaign to out the whistleblower. The committee, which is made up of three committees, are determined to protect the anonymity of the whistleblower. There is a statutory reason for doing that, and there is a practical reason for doing that, that he or she not be put in any kind of physical danger. Do you now have to i know one of the pledges i thought you guys made was to release as much of these depositions publicly as you can at some point. Do you have to redact these transcripts due to these attempts to out the whistleblower . There will be redactions. Most of them will be to try to protect innocent names that may have come up in eight or nine hours of testimony. But i dont expect Material Redactions other than, as i said, to protect certain identiti identities, and the whistleblower might be one of them. Those transcripts were going to be voting soon on a resolution that pledges to release those transcripts to the public. I want to play for you a couple sound bites from adam schiff and nancy pelosi who made the case, you didnt need an Impeachment Vote in order to go through with your inquiry. Here it is. I think the constitution is very clear. The house will have the sole power of impeach. A and there is no court that will find otherwise. As chairman schumer said, there is no requirement that we have a vote, so at this time we will not be having a vote. Im very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on in terms of fairness, in terms of seeking it is truth, in terms of up hohold the constitution of the united states. So what changed, congressman . Why a vote now on thursday . I dont really know whats changed, because i certainly would agree that the house can set its own terms for proceeding with an impeachment or an impeachment inquiry. The resolution that we will be voting on is not a resolution for a certain inquiry, it is a vote on trying to Caugterize Th Process going forward. Release of transcripts, and the right of the president to crossexamine witnesses. That is new. It really isnt a resolution designed to formalize what were already doing, it is a resolution to set out in as many more detail the process going forward. Is it designed to win over republican support even if you dont support the impeachment, or is this likely to be a pretty partisan vote . Chuck, id love to believe that my colleagues and Friends On The Other Side of the aisle are going to put country ahead of party. So far they evhave not done tha. I dont have any hopes that theyre going to change their behavior now. I think thats a sad thing for the country, but thats what were dealing with. But that cant deter umpls frs from protecting the constitution we promised to defend and protect. By caudifying the process, does this make it harder for the white house to prevent john bolton from testifying . I think it does, because it guarantees the white house an opportunity for direct input and Cross Examination and representation, even in closed sessions. So thats a new development. That would be a new prerogative for the white house in this process, which might make witnesses of john bolton more comfortable, or it might make the white house more comfortable with witnesses such as these or not . I think it helps us understand the rules of the. Impeachment is the gravest opportunity. Congressman jerry conley post editorial page lucy marcus, kimberly atkins, and also security analyst evelyn farkas. She served as the deputy of defense in africa and asia. Evelyn, let me start with you. Considering the work youve done in both Eastern Europe and in russia, what kind of witness do you expect him to be . Yeah, chuck, i have to say i dont know him personally but ive seen his name on documents so he was a wellknown officer. These people are very expert. They lived in the field. I think he already referenced he lived in moscow and then ukraine. How do you get this job . How do you get picked to be an nfc uniformed Military Person . You have to be one of the top experts. You have to be a very solid, very reliable professional. You have to be smart. You have to be a good writer. You have to exercise good judgment. Hes not a very good officer in The Grand Scheme of things, but yes, he has a great responsibility and hes dealing probably regularly on the phone and otherwise with people who are much more senior in the Minister Of Defense and ukraine and countries hes dealing with. Pl hes got a lot of responsibility, a lot of knowledge. Obviously his background and helpful because he probably grew up fluent. Manicall manically. Requesting the patriotism, questioning the dedication to Lieutenant Colonel vindman who will be coming today and others who have testified. Its a shame to question their patriotism, their love of this nation, and we should not be involved in that process. Let me roll the first of what he was reacting to. If you look at this, we know he got the purple heart in iraq. He tends to feel sympatico about the constitution. His main concern was to make sure the u. S. Got those weapons. We as a rule have an affinity of our homeland. Its interesting, clearly the republicans didnt also distanc deck Civil Servant working in the white house off he did his service for the army. It doesnt seem like thats a good road to go down. I think some are trying to portray him for somebody that has sympathies, dual loyalties, et cetera. In a way maybe were trying to give coverage to Rudy Giuliani. I keep coming back to say Rudy Giuliani is the person who didnt belong here. He was not an employee of the white house. He did not have security clearance. He was not cleared by the senate in the state department. He was the one acting in a way that made us question whether he violated foreign relation laws, not that person that seems there will be one set up here. Matt, this is something that seems to happen when you dont have a coordinated strategy. Youre absolutely right. Notice when those were. They were last night right after the story popped and early in the morning before they were able to marshall a message. They have more credibility to shut it down. And look who is behind her. This is a political fight, its a communications fight. Its not a legal fight in large part. They need to move numbers as best they can. I think its also important, too, when you talk about members of congress and stories like this, i think thats why youre seeing a lot of republicans, especially ones ive talked to, very worried about going far out on a limb to support the president. I was told, look, there isnt going to be very Many Republican votes on thursday. As thin as the limb is, the limb is also thin trying to win reelection. Can we get back to the message in the war room . I totally believe this white house needs a war room, it needs to do a better job with its message, but you do not need a war room to tell you not to attack the patriotism and loyalty of a uniformed officer. That should have been known last night. With friends like these guys, you dont need enemies, they just their situation was already really difficult last night and just made it worse. Then when he showed up in the morni morning, that was just stupid to do. Theyre struggling, struggling to get anything. Im not saying it was trite, it was wrong in every aspect. Warren could be in the closs wet a math book and you fwornd remember, he fills fld he does go back, that cant be good news for the president. No. Its interesting to me they would allow him, though, to make such meaningful changes. I unfortunately went through a similar situation with them under the last congress, republican controlled, and they allowed me to review any transcript. I dont know whether they released it or not. It was more for typos, make sure they didnt get anything wrong, it wasnt for substance. If i had a substantive change, i dont know what would have resulted. Maybe that will let him, prove helpful to them, theyll let him do it, i dont know. I want to say another thing about ukranianamericans. This guy vin man came with az a. They come here on coming here by believe america represents everything thats good in this world and they want a part of it. And not only did this family want a part of it, but three of their sons then went into the milita military, including Lieutenant Colonel vindman, and of course he was injured in the protcess. I think its important to highlight that. And hello, ukranianamericans . Theyre all over the midwest. Absolutely. The other part of the jerry conley interview, the vote, President Trump<\/a> to have attorneys around. Meanwhile, there was more potentially explosive testimony in the investigation itself from Lieutenant Colonel<\/a> Alexander Vindman<\/a>. He is a purple heart recipient, a National Security<\/a> official who was in on the infamous phone call with the ukraine president. He testified that ukraine a National Security<\/a> threat, and he twice notified his Chain Of Command<\/a> and notified the top warrior at the National Security<\/a> council. To give you a sense of the apparent alarm over this testimony, some of the president s allies even reverted to Smearing Vindman<\/a> with a trope about his immigrant background, a dual loyalty attack that any\rjew, catholic, muslim knows anything about. Trump said he was, quote, a never trumper, someone the president has also called human scum. He also says hes a nonpartisan veteran and patriot. He worried him digging up dirt would, quote, undermine National Security<\/a>. And after listening in on the president s phone call with the ukraine president , vindman was so alarmed that he notified his top security adviser. The alarm was sounded on a second occasion after Gordon Sondland<\/a> told the ukranians that they needed to deliver, quote, specific investigations,\runquote, and that included the bidens, joe and hunter biden, and burisma. Jeff, vindman, is he done . No, hes not done. Testimony in Something Like<\/a> that tends to last eight to ten hours, so he has a few hours to go, chuck. On the substance of it, which you laid out, here you have an army officer assigned to the white house National Security<\/a> council show up today in full uniform in his dress blues and made the point that he twice flagged complaints about this ukranian pressure campaign, this ukranian gambit. In his Opening Statement<\/a> said he did not think it was proper for this government to demand demand was an interesting word choice that he chose to demand a Foreign Government<\/a> to investigate a u. S. Citizen. In that same Opening Statement<\/a>,\rhe liens heavily eans heavily oy service, speaks highly of the duty to his country. He fled the soviet union when he was three years old, fled the soviet union for the u. S. That was the grounds that some in the Chattering Class<\/a> followed that smear, suggesting his loyalties laid elsewhere. Interestingly enough, the tweet you read from President Trump<\/a> basically saying, why is this guy i never met testifying about me . Democrats say that is precisely the problem. Here you have a man who was a top expert at the nfc, and donald trump didnt know who he was. Why . Because trump was leaning on Rudy Giuliani<\/a>, was leaning on rick perry, on Gordon Sondland<\/a> to pressure ukraines leader to manufacture dirt on the bidens, chuck. And, jeff, what can you tell us about Gordon Sondland<\/a>s decision to review his\rtranscript . Reporter yeah, he came back here to review his transcript yesterday. That in itself is not necessarily unordinary. Other witnesses have come back to review the hourlong transcript. Whats interesting, though, is that sondlands testimony looks really curious because it is undercut by vindmans testimony. Sondland said at times, i dont recall, where it might set him up for perjury. They think he may have legal cover on some of those grounds, that he was not specific on things that could have gotten him in trouble. Let me move over to the white house. Hans nichols, the rest of the company wrote back today on kber effect phone calls. He seems to be plindside twhd\rone. Its almost as if he just learned this Morning Thaveveryt Trump<\/a> was up to. They either sign a letter saying donald trump should never be president. There are no implications that he ever expressed the ability publicly of the president. The president has been relatively quiet, right . If he has something to say, he generally makes the opportunity. That didnt happen today. By midmorning and late afternoon, he hasnt said much on twitter. Let me caveat that with saying i had to look at my phone for the last two minutes, and white house officials seem to be\rhuddling trying to find out what their response would be to this revolution that is laying out the parameters for this next phase of impeachment. I suspect well hear from the president on that before we hear from somebody specific about what we learned from Alexander Vindman<\/a> today. Hans, im glad you brought up the impeachment resolution. It essentially gives the president president s, do they want more . They want more. Theyre not convinced whats being read out in tit. It lays out what theyll be offering, and officials are struggling to reconcile what they read in the evolution r. They dont want them to question the entire impeachment proceedings. Hans, very quickly, is it possible this is todays relative quiet throughout the d daily is it lawmakers struggling tlup, but it seems like they were r going so far. Benjamin hans nichols with Important News<\/a> to start us off. Joining me now is virginia democratic congressman jerry conley. The house was present today at the closed door vindman deposition, congressman conley. Let me just start with a simple question about what youre willing to share about the deposition. Weve obviously got the opening\rstateme statement. What have you learned beyond the Opening Statement<\/a> that youre willing to share . Well, obviously i cant really comment directly on testimony in closed session, but let me just say i was struck by the fact this individual came forward because of patriotic duty. Hes not a diplomat, hes not a politician, he is a soldier. A soldier who won a purple heart. A soldier who is an immigrant. He was born in ukraine and came to this country when he was three. And he loves america. He was bothered by what he heard and felt dutybound to express his concern to a superior. I think all of america is in his debt. How important or did others inside that room try to make a big deal about where he was born . No. In fact, i think people went out of their way to reassure him and separate themselves from those reprehensible views that were aired yesterday. On both sides of the aisle . Even on both sides of the aisle. Gordon sondlands testimony, we know he wanted to go back and review his transcript. Based on what you have learned between this, does Gordon Sondland<\/a> need to come back before the committee . I think Gordon Sondland<\/a> would be well advised to come back to the committee and clarify his testimony in a number of respects. There is testimony, obviously, that seems to be at variance with that of mr. Sondland. So far, of anybody youve taken deposition from, is this the only time youve run into\rsome contradictions . You mean with respect to Gordon Sondland<\/a> . Is this the biggest contradiction of testimony youve heard from Gordon Sondland<\/a> compared to others . Im sure youve got different versions of events, but is this the most stark . I would say its the one that stands out, yes. Youre right, there are some variances here and there, but not on fundamental narrative. Almost everything weve heard corroborates the underlying narrative in almost all respects. There was a story over the weekend in the Washington Post<\/a>, and its filled with a lot of anonymous sources, unfortunately, because its about the questioning that has taken place behind closed doors. But the report indicates the Washington Post<\/a> seems to\rindicate, and let me read you a portion of it. Republican members and staffers have repeatedly raised the name of a person suspected of filing the whistleblower complaint that exposed trumps effort to pressure ukraine to conduct investigations into his political adversaries, officials said. Republicans appear to be seeking ways to discredit the whistleblower as well as other witnesses, quote, by trying to dredge up any information they can what officials said. Did you notice today an attempt to try to identify the whistleblower . Chuck, let me say this. Its no secret that the white house, President Trump<\/a> himself, and his employees here have tried to wedge a campaign to out the whistleblower. The committee, which is made up of three committees, are determined to protect the\ranonymity of the whistleblower. There is a statutory reason for doing that, and there is a practical reason for doing that, that he or she not be put in any kind of physical danger. Do you now have to i know one of the pledges i thought you guys made was to release as much of these depositions publicly as you can at some point. Do you have to redact these transcripts due to these attempts to out the whistleblower . There will be redactions. Most of them will be to try to protect innocent names that may have come up in eight or nine hours of testimony. But i dont expect Material Redactions<\/a> other than, as i said, to protect certain identiti identities, and the whistleblower might be one of them. Those transcripts were going to be voting soon on a resolution that pledges to release those transcripts to the public. I want to play for you a couple sound bites from adam schiff and nancy pelosi who made the case, you didnt need an Impeachment Vote<\/a> in order to go through with your inquiry. Here it is. I think the constitution is very clear. The house will have the sole power of impeach. A and there is no court that will find otherwise. As chairman schumer said, there is no requirement that we have a vote, so at this time we will not be having a vote. Im very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on in terms of fairness, in terms of seeking it is truth, in terms of up hohold the constitution of the united states. So what changed, congressman . Why a vote now on thursday . I dont really know whats changed, because i certainly would agree that the house can set its own terms for proceeding with an impeachment or an impeachment inquiry. The resolution that we will be voting on is not a resolution for a certain inquiry, it is a vote on trying to Caugterize Th Process<\/a> going forward. Release of transcripts, and the right of the president to crossexamine witnesses. That is new. It really isnt a resolution designed to formalize what were already doing, it is a resolution to set out in as many more detail the process going forward. Is it designed to win over republican support even if you dont support the impeachment, or is this likely to be a pretty partisan vote . Chuck, id love to believe that my colleagues and Friends On The Other Side<\/a> of the aisle are going to put country ahead of party. So far they evhave not done tha. I dont have any hopes that theyre going to change their behavior now. I think thats a sad thing for the country, but thats what were dealing with. But that cant deter umpls frs from protecting the constitution we promised to defend and protect. By caudifying the process, does this make it harder for the white house to prevent john bolton from testifying . I think it does, because it guarantees the white house an opportunity for direct input and Cross Examination<\/a> and representation, even in closed sessions. So thats a new development. That would be a new prerogative for the white house in this process, which might make\rwitnesses of john bolton more comfortable, or it might make the white house more comfortable with witnesses such as these or not . I think it helps us understand the rules of the. Impeachment is the gravest opportunity. Congressman jerry conley post editorial page lucy marcus, kimberly atkins, and also security analyst evelyn farkas. She served as the deputy of defense in africa and asia. Evelyn, let me start with you. Considering the work youve done in both Eastern Europe<\/a> and in russia, what kind of witness do you expect him to be . Yeah, chuck, i have to say i dont know him personally but ive seen his name on documents so he was a wellknown officer. These people are very expert. They lived in the field. I think he already referenced he lived in moscow and then ukraine. How do you get this job . How do you get picked to be an nfc uniformed Military Person<\/a> . You have to be one of the top experts. You have to be a very solid, very reliable professional. You have to be smart. You have to be a good writer. You have to exercise good judgment. Hes not a very good officer in The Grand Scheme<\/a> of things, but yes, he has a great responsibility and hes dealing probably regularly on the phone and otherwise with people who are much more senior in the Minister Of Defense<\/a> and ukraine and countries hes dealing with. Pl hes got a lot of responsibility, a lot of knowledge. Obviously his background and helpful because he probably grew up fluent. Manicall manically. Requesting the patriotism, questioning the dedication to Lieutenant Colonel<\/a> vindman who will be coming today and others who have testified. Its a shame to question their patriotism, their love of this nation, and we should not be involved in that process. Let me roll the first of what he was reacting to. If you look at this, we know he got the purple heart in iraq. He tends to feel sympatico about the constitution. His main concern was to make sure the u. S. Got those weapons. We as a rule have an affinity of our homeland. Its interesting, clearly the republicans didnt also distanc deck Civil Servant<\/a> working in the white house off he did his service for the army. It doesnt seem like thats a good road to go down. I think some are trying to portray him for somebody that has sympathies, dual loyalties, et cetera. In a way maybe were trying to give coverage to Rudy Giuliani<\/a>. I keep coming back to say Rudy Giuliani<\/a> is the person who didnt belong here. He was not an employee of the white house. He did not have security clearance. He was not cleared by the senate in the state department. He was the one acting in a way that made us question whether he violated foreign relation laws,\rnot that person that seems there will be one set up here. Matt, this is something that seems to happen when you dont have a coordinated strategy. Youre absolutely right. Notice when those were. They were last night right after the story popped and early in the morning before they were able to marshall a message. They have more credibility to shut it down. And look who is behind her. This is a political fight, its a communications fight. Its not a legal fight in large part. They need to move numbers as best they can. I think its also important, too, when you talk about members of congress and stories like this, i think thats why youre seeing a lot of republicans, especially ones ive talked to, very worried about going far out on a limb to support the president. I was told, look, there isnt\rgoing to be very Many Republican<\/a> votes on thursday. As thin as the limb is, the limb is also thin trying to win reelection. Can we get back to the message in the war room . I totally believe this white house needs a war room, it needs to do a better job with its message, but you do not need a war room to tell you not to attack the patriotism and loyalty of a uniformed officer. That should have been known last night. With friends like these guys, you dont need enemies, they just their situation was already really difficult last night and just made it worse. Then when he showed up in the morni morning, that was just stupid to do. Theyre struggling, struggling to get anything. Im not saying it was trite, it\rwas wrong in every aspect. Warren could be in the closs wet a math book and you fwornd remember, he fills fld he does go back, that cant be good news for the president. No. Its interesting to me they would allow him, though, to make such meaningful changes. I unfortunately went through a similar situation with them under the last congress, republican controlled, and they allowed me to review any transcript. I dont know whether they released it or not. It was more for typos, make sure they didnt get anything wrong, it wasnt for substance. If i had a substantive change, i dont know what would have resulted. Maybe that will let him, prove helpful to them, theyll let him\rdo it, i dont know. I want to say another thing about ukranianamericans. This guy vin man came with az a. They come here on coming here by believe america represents everything thats good in this world and they want a part of it. And not only did this family want a part of it, but three of their sons then went into the milita military, including Lieutenant Colonel<\/a> vindman, and of course he was injured in the protcess. I think its important to highlight that. And hello, ukranianamericans . Theyre all over the midwest. Absolutely. The other part of the jerry conley interview, the vote, Impeachment Vote<\/a>. He seems to be not as concerned about this. He didnt paint this as a\rgame changer. That was the argument that, they didnt need this vote, but what youve done is mao it over to the public page, give the representativ representatives. Its not at all something the constitution requires, but it doesnt hurt. If youre advising Someone Running<\/a> for reelection in the house and theyre in a swing district. What do you do . You have to support the party. Do you think later theres time to separate yourself . Absolutely. Again, you were out on a real tough limb. They seem to be holding the line on this one. What do you make of what well see thursday . I think very few republicans\rjust fofr the saidment its high, high rick. And some of the refiringly. In particular, hes open to about potentially run r, it will be a good thing in the republican party. Senators have the luxury of time without a doubt. You also have time, i think int. Thank you for your time. Bruce and kimberly have to stick around. Im not letting them go. The takedown of the former isis leader. Did it happen because of the president or in spite of him . That seems to be the debate\rinside the military world. The inside the military world. Nks, w can i ever repay you . Maybe you could free zoltar . Thanks, lady. 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Lets just say you have to get awfully close to him to get used underwear. The Successful Mission<\/a> happened despite the mission to pull troops from syria. He said, the abrupt withdrawal\rorder three weeks ago disrupted the meticulous planning underway and forced pentagon officials to speed up the plan for the risky night raid before their ability to control troops, spies and reconnaisance aircraft disappeared with the pullout, the officials said. Courtney, let me start with you. Look, i know its not a simple answer here, but did this is it pretty clear now that this raid took place, the timing of it it, at least, the spedup timing of it all to the reaction that they werent going to be on the ground much longer . So to say it was all in reaction that the u. S. Might be withdrawing from northern to northwestern syria, it wasnt all because of that, but theres one thing that is very certain. If the u. S. Military was gone from northeastern syria, then a raid like that would be far\rriskier. So you wouldnt have people on the ground who might be communicating information with you. We know that the u. S. Military has a Deconstriction Mechanism<\/a> where they talk to the Russian Military<\/a> and talk about air space conflicts to make sure there is no miscommunications or misha mishaps in the air. If the u. S. Was completely gone and they would tell the russians, hey, were going to fly in your air space, that would be a tipoff and be a big raid. But a number of u. S. Military and Defense Officials<\/a> who ive spoken with about this, they said, look, there was planning for this for weeks. The very elite u. S. Special Operation Forces<\/a> who were involved in this raid, they arrived where we just left earlier today, they arrived there about two weeks ago now. They had days and days there to refine their planning, so they\rassure me despite the fact there was certainly a new reason to move forward with it, there was new momentum to go forward with the mission, they didnt do it before they were actually ready to go forward with it, chuck. Fair enough. Richard engel, lets take the angle of the kurds. The president really downplayed it on sunday when you and i were On The Air Listening<\/a> to him on that front. Other members of our Military Leadership<\/a> have tried to give more praise to the kurds a little bit higher up. What do you know . What more can you share . Can i make one kind of disgusting correction to what you were talking about earlier . You can. Its a little disgusting, but the kurdish intelligence sources that were collecting this evidence, the mole, the informant that was inside baghdadis inner circle, one of his bodyguards actually collected two samples. It was a pair of used underwear and a blood sample. It wasnt the blood from the underwear i dont know what\rthe underwear looked like, but it was used. You did promise that it would be a disgusting update. Youre right. There it is. So we are hearing also from u. S. Officials and from kurdish officials that courtney similar to what courtney is reporting that, yes, this was moved up, yes, of course it had to do with the fact this area is now a war zone. That absolutely disrupted the planning for this operation. It made it that they had to do it more quickly because they were losing force in that area. Their allies, the kurds here, were under attack. So if youve been Planning Something<\/a> for a long time, and there was about five months worth of intelligence gathering, according to general mozloum, who i spoke to at length, certainly if your allies are under attack, its actually a little bit of both. First it delayed the operation\rbecause the kurds, according to general mozloum, got distracted, They Couldnt Focus On The Hunt<\/a> for baghdadi, they had to focus on defending their own homes. And then as the u. S. Presence or the kurdish presence was shrinking in that particular area, then there was a necessity to do it, pull the trigger, pull the trigger. Then to get it even more refined, general mozloum told me that specific day was chosen because baghdadi was expected, according to general mozloum, to leave the safe house, to leave the location his informant had been studying, had been measuring out with footsteps, had been taking mental notes of the location, Walking Around<\/a> trying to understand what the layout was like, passing that information on to the kurds, the kurds passing it on to the cia. So they understood the layout of that compound, how it was set up inside which obviously would be\rincredibly important for those commandos who were going to carry out the raid. It makes it much safer when they know what theyre going into, how many guards, what the place looks like. But baghdadi was about to go into a new location on the turkish border, that he was going to go there in the next 48 to 72 hours, and they decided, we have to do it now before he moves. So a lot of things go into this planning. But the war was certainly a part of it. The president tweeted today that the likely number, too, that would have replaced baghdad dts baghdadi as well, what do you know about that . The informant number two, they were all part of this inner circle. The plan was all coordinated. The idea wasnt just to hit the\rhouse, you want to hit the whole leadership. By the way, a lot of these people are relatives. The inner circle is quite small. Baghdadi only allowed a small group of friends, family, advisers, Confidants Into<\/a> his presence. So the idea was always, since he was going to this new city oh, by the way, this number two, the spokesman, we know the person who was just killed in this followon operation was there setting up that new safe house that baghdadi was supposed to go to. Its more of a followon to the same operation, according to general mozloum and kurdish officials. Courtney, back to you. The more the president learns of the kurds help, is he at all softening . Softening on the u. S. Staying in syria . Yes. There is no indication that hes softening on going back to this old mission. We do know that the u. S. Military is going to continue on a mission to syria. But now it is about securing the oil. Any kind of a counterterror component to that, as far as we know right now, keeping in mind that the mission has changed several times in the past two weeks, but as far as we know right now, any ct or counterterror component to this is stopping isis from getting that oil and then using the money for tollon Terror Attacks<\/a> or grow the terror network. But the reality is when President Trump<\/a> spoke about the oil fields and they talked about the potential for maybe even negotiating for someone else to have them, you know, he opened up yet another question there, what will these troops really be doing . We dont have a good answer to that. We also dont really know what the new footprint in syria will look like. The assumption is it will be\rsmaller. The assumption is it will be smaller. So going back, you know, to the baghdadi raid, again, a smaller footprint in syria and less coordination with the sdf, the Syrian Democratic<\/a> forces, specifically against isis, that will hurt the possibility of future complex raids like the one we saw against baghdadi. More of a presence and more influence and access on the ground, it helps with these counterintelligence, counterterror missions. Courtney kube and Richard Engel<\/a> in iraq and northern syria, respectively, thank you very much. I had one person say protecting the oil fields is how they get the president to stick with this mission. They just use it constantly. Well see if that works. Up ahead, a very emotional hearing today. Those who lost loved ones in boeing plane crashes looked on. N are signs of joint erosion. Humira can help stop the clock. Prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. 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They were in flying coffins as a result of boeing deciding that it was going to conceal mcas\rfrom the pilots. You knew in 2016 that this was happening, and your team at boeing decided we didnt need to fix that. 346 people are dead because what these chief pilots described as egregious and crazy. Welcome back. That was just a bit of the emotional hearing today as senators grilled boeings ceo on the 737 max aircraft on the software blamed for two fatal crashes. Back with alex gorman and kimberly adams. We were talking today if youre a boeing ceo, You Didnt Enyoi Ka<\/a> enjoy capitol hill, but you look at the Headlines Today<\/a> and its all impeachment. Frankly, i dont know if its good or bad for boeing that there isnt a public spectacle\rof him getting grilled. It might not be good for boeing long term not to have that heat, but the boeing ceo is clearly breathing a sigh of relief. We need to sort of stop and ask ourselves, as we, the media, as we go through the impeachment and were all clustered like the pee wee soccer team around goinl hill . The Peewee Soccer<\/a> team, that was really good. I watched a lot of that. That is very good. Peewee soccer, absolutely. They all stand around the ball. How about this instinct, right . But important things are going on elsewhere on the hill. Important things are going non government and agencies and departments that were not covering. We need to discipline ourselves and somehow find the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. And, kimberly while were playing Peewee Soccer<\/a>. Im going to play the boeing ceo apology here, but to me theres a missing person from this exercise of us grilling and im going to talk about it on the other side. If fairness, lets get ceo response to the grilling. We are sorry, deeply and truly sorry. We are responsible for our airplanes. We are responsible. And we own that regardless of cost. Any accident with ouchb one of airplanes is unacceptable. Were grilling boeing. Boeings apologizing, wheres the faa . Yeah. Shouldnt the faa shouldnt congress, its easy to pick on the company. Right. I think, in this case. Much harder to pick on the Regulatory Agency<\/a> that decided to olay boeing through this. Boeing should be accountable but so should faa. Boeing could not did it on its own and that was the missing piece there today. But i think it is important for the Koxt Of Boeicompany<\/a> to stan\rboeing. Flying, going through safety, going through all of the things, taking off your shoes and making sure that you are safe on that airline is something that everybody can relate to and its something thats a Core Function<\/a> that we think of the government being in charge of, protecting people from. This is something, i want to go back to something ruth said, matt. Im surprised if i were at the Trump White House<\/a>, this story would petra phi would actually petra phi actually. He. Hetry phi me. Its his agents, meaning hes appointing these folks. Should this could be on them, they should be just as angry and theyve washed their hands of this. Youre the first person to talk about the faa in this whole thing, its all about boeing. Somebody let them to do it. Exactly. This wasnt even the biggest story of a Quarter Mile Radius<\/a> of capitol hill today. Right. I think this type of topic is\rinsatiable news consumption. We had a year of the Malaysia Airline<\/a> and a live stream essentially of the bp oil spill at the bottom of the screen. So in theory this should be leading every news channel, but its not. And youre right, think the Trump White House<\/a> would benefit from going on offense. Its not even the only story. You had Mark Zuckerberg<\/a> last week testifying about the invasion of privacy and not vetting ads. You had the head of cms talking about people losing their medicaid coverage. There are stories like this happening consistently every day on the hill. The white house should be scared of going on offense about boeing, because my understanding is that it was a change. I think it was a regulatory change, not a legislative change, but i might be wrong about that, that allowed boeing to basically selfcertify, hey, planes are good. They let them to do it. Yeah. So thats Companies Need<\/a> to police themselves, but we have government to help police companies. And thats what really went wrong here. This is why i dont this\ris why im saying, they need to take control of it before it controls them. But you know what, though . Where are the democratic 2020 president ial candidates saying what youre saying . We havent talked about 2020 at all and this would be the block of every other show if it wasnt for impeachment in theory. Why arent they taking the mantle in this . They struggle sometimes to get on some of the campaigns dont want to follow the news. Ive noticed that. They want to follow their own path. Right. But they seem to be locked in this endless fight and battle and discussion over one thing, which is important but not the only thing. Which is medicare for all and how were going to pay for it and they just are wrapped up, in, ill just go back to peewee socker. Thats Therapy Wir Peewee<\/a> south ga soccer game over there. Whats the number one complaint i get outside of average viewers outside of washington, which is can you\rcover other stories . I think politicians are going to get punished for not focusing on the bread and butter issues and keeping airplanes a [ laughter ] aloft is a bread and butter issue. Deregulation of government leads to a lot of consequences. Thats a larger debate that you would assume the president ial campaign on earth too is having an interesting Consition Satico<\/a> conversation about. Thank you very much. Well be back with one for the mystery books. K with one for te mystery books. Stery books. Ster. Welcome back. All right, guys, its do or die time for the washington nationals. A world series win was always going to be historic for this team. But now if you can excuse the incorrect grammar, its going to have to be even more historic. No team has ever been crowned world series chaps mpions by winning all four games on the first. The nats will have to be the first. Lets be realistic. We knew it was going to be hard. National fans were hoping it wasnt going to be this hard. I think Teddy Roosevelt<\/a> said nothing in this world is worth doing or having unless it means effort, pain, and difficulty. Guess what, nats fans . Theres some effort, this is painful, and its difficult. Thats why its going to feel even better when we win. Remember that feeling. Seven runs in the ninth against the mets, september 3rd. 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