Transcripts For MSNBCW On Assignment With Richard Engel 2020

Transcripts For MSNBCW On Assignment With Richard Engel 20200614

Trapped. Why did you have to kill him . All right. Now earlier this evening, mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms announced that chief erika shields had resigned. Take a listen. Chief erika shields has been a solid member of apd for over two decades and has a deep and abiegd love for the people of atlanta. And because of her desire that atlanta be a model of what meaningful reform should look like across this country, chief shields has offered to immediately step aside as police chief so that the city may move forward with urgency in rebuilding the trust so desperately needed throughout our community. Now all of this comes after this incident involving Rayshard Brooks, officers responding to that wendys after brookses reportedly fell asleep in the drivethrough line. The bureau of georgia investigation says the 27yearold man failed a field sobriety test. When officers tried to arrest him, he apparently resisted, grabbed one of their tasers and tried to run off, as has been seen in this video of one of the bystanders. Gbi saying he might have been trying to fire the taser when an officer shot at him. Brooks died at the hospital. Former chief shields had been with atlanta pd for more than two decades. Her resignation Statement Reads in part, quote, out of a deep and abiding love for this city and this department, i offer to step aside as police chief. She added, quote, it is time for the city to move forward and build trust between Law Enforcement and the communities they serve, unquote. All right. Im joined now by phone by msnbc correspondent blayne alexander. Blayne, it is 1 00 a. M. Local time, and at this hour, with a are we learning about this case . So were learning that there are six different angles, camera angles at least, richard, that shows different vantage points what happened. Were talking about the Surveillance Video from the wendys parking lot, the eyewitness video, and then body camera and dash camera video from each of the others. So thats two sets each. So thats four sets. Thats six different vantage points to see whats going on. Im going through right now and looking at the body camera video that was just released within the last hour or so by Atlanta Police department, by the Atlanta Police department. You know, its remarkable. A couple of things with the body camera. One, its a pretty calm interaction for the better part of about 40 minutes or so. It wasnt until about 43 minutes into that video that an officer tells mr. Brooks, hey, i think youve had too much to drink to be driving. Were going put you under arrest. They move to put him under arrest, and thats when he starts to struggle. Thats when the tussling starts between the two. You hear the officers stop fighting, youre going get tased. Its not until 43 minutes into that interaction that things escalate. When they do, it really escalates. Its less from a minute from that moment to when the shots are fired, about a minute and a half. The other thing that were learning, again, one officer has been fired. The officer who fired that shots has been terminated. The second officer has been put on administrative leave. And were learning more about the officers. Were learning both of them are relatively new to the force. One was hired in 2013, the other hired just in 2018. So just about two years or so on the apd before this incident happened. The other thing that were watching with this and i think is remarkable is all of this is happening very quickly. It was less than 24 hours we saw the chief resign, the officer fired, and apd putting out body camera and dash cam video. It certainly appears to be a move to try to get as much information out as possible. The other thing that ill say about the video is that you see them in the body camera video rather. There is a point at which they search him, that they search his person before putting him under arrest as well, richard. So blayne, what is new this hour for those who might be turning in at a very late evening hour, if you are still counting it as the day before is that we are now reviewing video about 90 minutes. That right, blayne, that is new to us. And were reviewing it now at nbc news and msnbc before we show it. You have been able to view it. Blayne, from what you have seen so far, what might be new and more instructive about what happened based from the video we saw before from the bystander as well as from the Surveillance Video . I think the most notable thing is the time period. I think the most notable thing is the time period, that the video we see from the bystander that shows the tussle is about 43 minutes or so into the interaction between mr. Brooks and the two Police Officers. We see him taking his field sobriety test. You know that according to the gbi, he failed that field sobriety test. Thats why they put him under arrest. So really, what the most instructive about the body camera video, at least this first angle is what leads up to that encounter. Now once the struggle between the officers and mr. Brooks starts happening, the body camera is its jostled around. As you might expect in the middle of a struggle as a kind of fight on the ground. You really cant see much. Whats valuable there is the audio, and you hear the officer saying several times stop fighting, stop fighting, youre going get tased clowe. And then they run after him and you hear a taser sound and then what seems to be three gunshots and some yelling afterwards. And thats whats most valuable. During that interaction, you cant see much because its involved in the tussle. For our viewers we are evaluating that video right now there is a lot of it. Before we show it to you, we want to make sure that we can verify as well as review what is acceptable for broadcast. Blayne, back to you on this, is there a sense of which officer, as were looking at video on screen right now. Is it the officer in the front or is it the officer in the anterior, in the back . Im not able to see the video that youre able to see, but i will say the officer who has been terminated was the one who fired the shots. And so thats kind of where thats going now. I will say this. The Fulton County District Attorney has always weighed in on this. So in addition to the multiple angles, there are multiple investigations going on as well. So the gbi is investigating, Georgia Bureau of investigation. The fulton d. A. s office is conducting its own investigation. He said he is conducting his own investigation to decide whether or not charges may be appropriate in this case. So he is doing an independent investigation. And then the attorney for mr. Brooks family, Chris Stewart and his law partner are conducting a third investigation. There are at least three different investigations going on trying to lead up to figuring out what happened and whether there will be charges forth coming in this case. Again, blayne alexander there in atlanta, georgia for us, our correspondent reporting tonight. Blayne, we are just showing a picture of the officer that was fired this evening, and you did give us some description of his background. Do we have any more information about the officer that was terminated . We do. So we do know that he was hired on the 4th in 2013. Yes. We know that he was hired on the 4th in 2013. Atlanta Police Department is identifying him, and i want to make sure that have i this correct. Sure. Absolutely. I know this is ongoing. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Atlanta Police department is identifying him as officer garrett wolf, hired in october of 2013. Thats the officer who has been terminated according to the Atlanta Police department. Now the officer who has been put on administrative leave, administrative duty, rather, was the one that was hired in september of 2018. So thats what we know about the two Atlanta Police officers at this time. Now its notable that the mayor earlier this evening when she spoke, she talked about the fact that she had accepted the resignation of plant police chief erika shields, she said immediately at the time that she did not believe this use of force was justified, and that she was calling for the officer to be terminated. She wanted the officer to be terminated as well. That came from the mayor and several hours later we know that he has in fact been fired from the force. So, blayne, in the context of what were living in today, within the last month, that this has moved pretty quickly, as has been said so far. Is there any understanding, any reporting locally there in atlanta, georgia about how and why erika shields as well as the mayor moved so quickly . What might be the reasons behind it . Because it did come out within the last 12 hours as this is just what is going to happen. We didnt get a lot of, if you will, back story behind the reasoning. Obviously, it could be that which they have already stated. You know, in her statement, and in the mayors news conference, both of them have said that her stepping aside as police chief is an important first step in the city Going Forward and moving and restoring trust between the community and the police. Yeah. But this is really is let me kind of back up a little for you. Ive been covering the protests here, that they happened two weeks ago this week and started two weeks ago this weekend. Right. And it was two weeks ago that we saw another Major Incident involving Atlanta Police. Thats when six officers surrounded two College Students in a car, broke windows, one of the students was tased, both of them were pulled from the cars and all of that played out on live tv, on a local tv station. Thats something that grabbed national attention. Less than 24 hours after that, richard, we saw the mayor and the police chief standing side by side, announcing that two of those officers had been fired. They took very quick action then. And certainly it was understood that they took the quick action because they wanted to be transparent. They wanted to send a message to the public of hey, if there is excessive abuse of force, were look to handle it very quickly. And less than 48 hours after, that we saw criminal charges filed against six of those officers. So all of that happened in a very quick amount of time. Youve covered these stories before, as have i, as have many of us. It takes a long time, it can take an internal, it can take months for there to be termination, and certainly even longer than that for charges to be filed. The fact that we saw all of that in that separate incident happened in less than 72 hours was notable. So you fast forward to what we saw this weekend, and i would suspect it would be some of the same reasoning, richard. The fact that there really is this groundswell of frustration, anger, concern. You saw it play out in the street here is in atlanta tonight. It appeared to be hundreds of protesters. Took to the busiest highway in atlanta. 7585, kind of the main artery through town, and blocked that for more than an hour. And then descended upon the wendys where that entire scuffle took place, that entire incident, shooting took place, set that wendys on fire, and all of this after the police chief resigned and stepped aside. So there really is this certainly this desire to send a message that if there is excessive use of force deemed by those in authority, then theyre going act on it. As we know, blayne, answer sometimes are not enough. When we look at mayor bottoms as well as chief shields, do we know who pushed forward the resignation of chief fields . Was it the mayor . Was it selfdeclarative of the chief . Do we know right now . Its a little early. I thought i would ask. No, no, thats fine. And yes we do know. The mayor said in her news conference. She was asked about it. She said it was the chiefs decision. The chief offered her resignation and the mayor accepted that. Now we do know, this is interesting, but the chief is actually going to be reassign to some other duty in the city. Dont know what that is yet. Tbd that. Didnt give information on that. But she is going to be remain with the city in some capacity in another capacity. Do we know who might be taking her place . Right now there is an interim chief. The deputy has stepped up. But they said there is a nationwide search to see who is going to step in and fill that position. Now chief shields has been on the force maybe about 3 1 2 years or so. But she has been with the department for much longer than that. More than 20 years. So she certainly has a long history with this department and the position for about 3 1 2 years. There is now an interim chief. But yes that. Looking nationwide to find her permanent replacement. Hey, blayne, great reporting. Stay with us. Were going get over to nypd detective marq claxton. He is also director of the black enforcement alliance. Thanks for being with us, marq. Because as you know, this is one of those points, at least in news where in general times, and there is no such thing as that, you can probably agree with that, but given the context that we have been in within the last month, this stands out in a very special way. And based on the reporting coming from blayne, where do you think were at in terms of atlanta in terms of this investigation of what happened with Rayshard Brooks . I think what were in atlanta is what im referring to as the minneapolis effect. And that is the requirement that City Government act swiftly and quickly as far as demanding that there be accountable from their Law Enforcement professions. And theyre going to err, theyre going err on the side of taking action against those individuals who are charged with the responsibility of establishing safety and security of the city. So i think its quite clear based on the mayors actions and comments that she access to the information. Perhaps some of the video that is being reviewed right now. Perhaps some other Background Information on the other officers involved. Perhaps additional witness statements. With this video. But she had something other than what we have at this point that led her to believe that it was necessary for the Police Officers be terminated immediately. I think its important for us, because we with k have these discussion, and im hoping to have these discussions about tactics, Police Tactics and whats good tactics or good tactics, good shoot or bad shoot. Thats very helpful im sure sometimes. We just have to know that this is not this incident, as was the case with mr. Floyd and so many other incidents over the past several decades is not about the officers ability to adhere to the tactical guidelines. Its not about using bad tactics. Its not about disregarding policies within their department, et cetera. It is completely and absolutely about their relationship or lack of relationship between Law Enforcement, police, and the black and brown communities. And i can tell you that the police dont have a problem with tactics or adhering to tactics if you use the proper procedure, because they do it all the time when people are white. There is a breakdown somehow miraculously when you have individuals who are black and brown, and thats where you have the difficulties. So this case and i think its really a good idea to kind of go over the tactics is not about that. It is about for eric garner and for mr. Floyd, and lets go back and back and back and round up all the cases. This is about the relationship, how Police Police the black and brown communities and police black and brown bodies. Marq, one of the things, and youve hit a lot of great point, as you have on our coverage here on msnbc throughout the recent weeks is the question of as we are waiting to understand whats in the 90 minutes of body cam video that were going to get from one of the officer, the officer that was terminated is the question of what that might mean for understanding more and therefore getting ford in this case. To get to some sort of understanding of how difficult the situation is that youve already described for us. What might be in that body cam video that you would be looking for . I think the most we see that its the actual shooting incident, the actual point where the Police Officer is chasing mr. Brooks and discharges the firearm. And so far, all of the professionals have indicated that we just dont see where the use of Deadly Physical force is justified. Youre talking about nonlethal, if you want to assume that mr. Brooks was pointing or trying to discharge the taser. You talk about the use of nonlethal weapons. In new york, we call it a dangerous instrument as opposed to a deadly weapon. And a Police Officer responding with an excessive amount of force, high up on the chart use of force continuum, excessive in using Deadly Physical force against an individual who was using just perhaps a certain level a dangerous force against him. There is no balance there. But once again, like i said, you have to really we have to begin to be honest about the conversation and pardon the tru part of the frustration around the nation is there is no breakdown. There is no mental lapses overall. This is only relates to block and brown people. But i think the video, the Video Evidence going to be important. I think the witness statements are going to be vitally important. And of course, the forensics of the forensic evidence that is there and the processing of it will also be important. And thats something that we should be concerned about. If you just based on the conversations by the attorneys early on were questions about some of the ballistics evidence perhaps being tampered with. So well know moving forward whether or not thats the case. But all of those evidentiary things are vitally important to get the complete story. This time at 1 20 atlanta time, marq, we both know, when we think the temperature cannot be dialed up we have another moment where the temperature is dialed up. So i thank you so much for your perspective. Marq claxton, as always, director of the black enforcement alliance. Were going take a qu

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