Ramos leaves behind. They are in tremendous pain and they are worried deeply. In the ramos family case, two teenagers, reminded me of my own children, who now dont have a father. You have two teenage young men, good young men who no longer have a father because of an assassin. It was very difficult for sheryleen and i to talk to two kids that we saw parallel to our own children, hear them trying to put on a brave face, trying their best to make sense of such a painful situation. They were incredibly admirable, impressive young men. I told them that i lost my own dad when i was 18. And that as painful and difficult as it is, families come together, people find a way forward and i also told them we would all be there for them. The mayor today called on a suspension of demonstrations until after the officers have been laid to rest. Both he and Police CommissionerWilliam Bratton said they hope this tragedy leads to some progress. The most important reflection i can give you right now is, in this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward, that it would be an appropriate way to honor these fallen officers and their families that are in pain right now, somehow knit our city together. Out of crises comes opportunities and challenges. I intend to embrace the opportunities and challenges as we address these crises. Well come out of this better and stronger as we go forward. This tragedy struck a deep nerve. Officer ramos was 40 years old, a threeyear veteran of the police force, and a father of two sons. Friends and family say he hoped to become a chaplain. Officer liu was 32 years old. Hed been on the force seven years, and he was newly married. His wedding, just three months ago. Let me be perfectly clear. This was an act of senseless violence. These were new yorks finest, doing their work, protecting the city, protecting our community. Were mourning their loss and we are all outraged and saddened by the death of these Police Officers. Any use of the names of eric garner or Michael Brown in conjunction with violence, or the killing of police, is reprehensible. I and others have called for stopping violence, not perpetuating it. As we mourn the deaths of these officers, we must be focused, though, on solving deepseeded problems. Not exacerbating them. Joining me now is the widow of eric garner and eric garners mother. Thank you both for being here tonight. Thank you so much for having us. Youve been calling for peace since your husband was the victim of the chokehold case, and you and your motherinlaw have stood yesterday and identified with the pain of these officers families. What is your thought in the wake of this tragedy . I think that its horrible. I think that theres another wife out there without her husband coming home that night. Theres another children that dont have their father to come home at night. Theres christmas coming. You know, the holidays are less than three days away. I dont even know if im going to be okay in three days, but i just want to express my condolences to the families of the officers, the wife, the children, and everyone else in new york city. And i still call for peace. You know. Miss carr, your son from day one, you said, when we all spoke, that you do not want anything that would in any way reflect anything but Peaceful Demonstrations and some recall in terms of policy. And now that your sons name and Michael Browns name has been part of what this person that killed these policeman had written in social media, whats your response to erics name being involved in this . We dont want erics name used in anything dealing with violence. We are definitely nonviolent. We would have never condoned these Police Officers this is just a true tragic for them for them to be sitting in the car and someone just take their life away from them like that. I know how those families feel. If they have a mother, wife, children. I know their pain because i feel that pain. And this shouldnt happen to anyone. I expressed that so many times after my son passed. This tragedy, i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy. You know, esaw, i grew up in brooklyn and i know cops. And ive said a thousand times, i question some police policies, but i think most cops are good. We talk about individual cops. These guys were in the neighborhood protecting people. And one of the things that moved me and a lot of people today, your daughter emerald yes. Whos been dealing with a lot of the youth projects. She went to the site today and laid a wreath today and voiced her support for the families. Your daughter, she visited the memorial. Tell us about that. I just found out about it. She just called me about maybe an hour or so ago, she said mommy, i went this is the scene. Im showing where the policeman was killed. And she went to the site with some of the youth from the huddle. Yes, she called me and she said, mommy, i went because i feel like, you know, even though my dad was killed in that way, these officers shouldnt have been blamed for anything that happened to her father. Its totally two different situations. And she said she felt that she had to go and represent the family and put some flowers down, or whatever, and make her statement and, you know, express her condolences. I think sometimes people that raise questions like its us against them, rather than seeking how we have a society thats fair for everybody. Everybody. Were not against anybody. We are trying to make sure people are held accountable that do things that we feel are against what society should be about. Exactly. We want those who exercise bad policing to be held accountable. Not innocent Police Officers. Not innocent police. My mother lives in that matter. Matter of fact, eric and myself got married in the church right across the street. Is that right . From where this happened . Yes. Rose Baptist Church its right there on the corner. From where these officers were killed . Right up the block, on myrtle, and i believe its sumner tompkins. Tompkins and myrtle avenue. We got married in that church. My mom lives not too far from there. I had two kids in that hospital. I grew up there. And thats the hospital these officers were brought to where they died on saturday night. Yes. Where the mayor went . Yes. Chardonnay, my oldest daughter and erica was born in woodhall hospital. My mom lives right up the block. So close in the same area, yet so estranged by how people try to play petty politics with the pain on all sides. We got to stop that. Because i feel the familys pain. Esaw snipes garner and gwen carr thank you both for coming on and talking to us tonight. Thank you for having us. Well be right back. Okay. Coming up, the investigation into the assassination. We have new details on what authorities are learning about the man who came to new york and executed two Police Officers. And police are now looking at new surveillance video, taken just hours before the shooting. What can it tell us . Plus, we have breaking news tonight out of north korea, where there is a widespread internet outrage. Is this a cyber attack . What is going on . And will the interview be released . Sony is open to the idea. Tonight that all is coming up. Please stay with us. We have a deeply troubled career criminal, previously suicidal individual who did this heinous crime, who assassinated two Police Officers. Its a horrible thing. A horrible thing from a deeply troubled career criminal. And today were learning more about that deeply troubled past of 28yearold ismaaiyl brinsley. He had a long criminal record. He was arrested 19 times, spent two years in prison for gun possession. Tried to kill himself and threatened police online. And tonight mayor de blasio and Commission Bratton released new video of the shooter. It shows him Walking Around a subway terminal in brooklyn. Hes carrying a bag. Officials think the gun was inside. But after this moment around noon, police do not know where he goes for more than two hours. Heres what we know. Around 5 30 saturday morning, he showed up at his exgirlfriends apartment in maryland, near baltimore. He shot her. Right now shes in critical condition. But shes stable. He then took a bus from baltimore to new york, around 2 45, brinsley shot and killed two Police Officers. Joining me now is dr. Cedric alexander, the president of the National Organization of black Law Enforcement executives. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Clearly a guy with mental problems and disturbing views. What are investigators looking for to find out today, cedric . Well, ill tell you what, nypd has done an incredible job in terms of putting together a lot of information in a chronological manner, which kind of begins to tell the story leading up to the assassination of those Police Officers. Nypd is very capable. They have the resources, they have the training, they have the expertise and experienced investigators there that i can assure you theyre going to get down to what occurred, how it occurred, right from the beginning, right up until the end. And its very sad. Its very tragic. Even here in the state of georgia and across this country, we all are very saddened by this horrific act of violence towards Police Officers who was out there doing their job, protecting the community. What else do police need to find out . It seems like they have a lot on motive from just social media. I think one thing that needs to be determined, im quite sure theyll look into this, to make sure if anyone else was involved in the planning and the execution of those officers, theyre going to seek them out. So i think, as they continue to pull together information through their sources and through the technology theyll use as well, if there are any other individuals out there involved, if this was planned, anyone who got their fingerprints on this, they need to be brought to njustice. They did say today they believe he acted alone. That statement was made by the Police Commissioner and the mayor, i believe the governor. But youre saying they must continue to pursue every item that make sure that that is correct information . And im quite certain thats exactly what theyre going to do. This is just the beginning of their investigation. Im quite sure at the end, theyll make sure theyre as thorough as possible in terms of making any other determinations that might be surrounding this case that might be informational to them or to the community. Already, cedric alexander, thanks so much for your time. Thank you for having me too. Joining me now, the former governor of the state of new york, david patterson. Governor, thank you for being here. Thank you. I wish it was under better circumstances, reverend. I remember the shooting of the city councilman who had once been a police officer, james davis, right in the city hall. And the shootings on the Long Island Railroad and some shootings that were shootings, but no one paid the price for them that weve been through. But this is one of the worst that i can ever remember. Where do we go from here . Youve been the governor of the this state, lieutenant governor, state senator, and youve dealt with a lot of these situations. But this seems to have really hit a real nerve, a tragedy with these two policemen. Then weve had the one by one Police Killings that have been questioned by the community. Where do we go from here . As one who has been on both sides of this, in the black community, and as the head of this state. Well, i call it the principle of duality. The idea is that, i think we should all recognize, and im sitting here recognizing myself, that no matter how much i try to sympathize with Police Officers and their family, unless i was in their shoes, i really wouldnt know the anxiety and tension that they feel every day, when their loved ones are out at work, knowing they may not come home. And particularly on the saturday before christmas. All of us have to stop for a minute and think about the pain that the people in Law Enforcement endure. At the same time, there is a history of different types of practices in minority communities, particularly black communities, if you go back and read Old Newspaper articles, there was a riot in harlem in 1943, 1945, and 1964 when a lieutenant named Thomas Gilligan shot a 15yearold choild who was black, named james powell for turning on a water sprinkler and then kicked his body, rolling it over to see if he was still alive. That ignited six nights of rioting in 1964. And all im trying to say is that i dont think that people who live outside the community really understand what its like when your children go out and you fear the crime in the neighborhood, but you also fear the Law Enforcement practices. They think its kind of a joke when people sit here on Television Like myself and say that. But ive had four members of my family assaulted by the police of your family . Of my family. Starting with my father who was pistol whipped in 1942 when hes 16 years of age, because the policeman thought hed stolen a baseball mitt when he was coming back from stick ball practice. So im just saying that the same way you see the anger right now of the officers because people dont understand what they go through, theyre angry at different elected officials who they feel are stirring up the problem. And look, if thats how they feel, maybe well come together if we start to acknowledge that no one is lying here. The Police Officers do have a lot to ask the public to understand about their jobs. And the public does and well talk about it more later. Right now this is a time of grief, but the public does have a right to demand Better Services in certain communities where young, particularly black males, were stopped routinely and randomly. I think you said something very critical. No one is lying here. Theres real anxiety and need on both sides. And i think, you know, theres been a lot of attacks. Even ive been named in some. I think we have to rise above the petty tit for tat, and look at the big picture that there needs to be real understanding and changes here. Because people arent making this stuff up. I think when i first started as a state centsenator, and im looking back on it now, i didnt really understand what the police went through. I think i was unnecessarily hard on them at the time. I really can apologize for that. All im asking is that those on both sides recognize that at times, all the people who have complained about these practices that were in harlem and in bedford stifrson and south jamaica and south bronx, that all these people cant be wrong. There must have been Something Different than the regular rules, thats why the complaints were coming from these neighborhoods. Not because the crime was high, but because the service was low. And policemen are in the middle of some places where they do have fear and have anxiety. But at the same time, and again, i think those in the community understand that and more need to because we are dealing in communities where we need policing. At the same time, there has to be understanding that if you see a man on tape and hes choked and hes saying, i cant breathe, what it says, the fear it puts in the community, i think that youre dealing with people that are talking at each other and there are those that never want us talking to each other. Exactly. And ill tell you something, in one respect police get a bad rap. Traditionally in these communities, the landlords jack up the rents. The store owners wouldnt hire anybody from the community. You couldnt get a decent education in the schools. The Health Care Facilities were inferior. The prices were jacked up higher than they were in other neighborhoods because they knew people couldnt get out of the neighborhood to go shop because no one would let them in those stores. And who did they send in to calm the sweltering feelings . The police. So they were the first point of where some of that anger would get fomented and its not ent e entirely their fault. A lot of it has to do with the society that was always antagonistic to people who lived in these neighborhoods. Lets try to keep looking at the big picture and solve the real problems of policing and of community. Governor david patterson, thanks so much for your time and your perspective. Thank you for having me, reverend. Coming up, well have developing news from north korea tonight. North koreas internet has gone dark. Is it a cyber attack . Or another question. Should dick cheney be prosecuted for torture . There are calls for legal action tonig tonig tonight. Please stay with us. Cut it out. See you tomorrow. 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