Transcripts For MSNBCW PoliticsNation With Al Sharpton 20180

MSNBCW PoliticsNation With Al Sharpton April 22, 2018

See, we are not event planners, looking just for record numbers that we did get an attendance. We are those that are involved in social justice work, cross party and racial lines to try to make a difference. Now the work begins to help to recapture the soul of america in the vision of dr. King. As one of the highlights we had the honor to host some democratic frontrunners for the 2020 race for the white house. Kamala harris and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and christian gillibrand. Youre going to hear from all four today in what we call the sharpton primary. First, i challenged senator Kamala Harris of california. Senator harris, thank you for being with us this morning. You spoke at the National Action convention about how we have to reflect on the past but really face the challenges of today and youve coined a phrase about coalition. Yes. Coalition strong. Coalition strong. My parents met when they were active in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s. A my memories of that time and of the discussions about that time that they had was included that there was a coalition of people who seemingly had nothing in common, but have everything in common. And as we know the Civil Rights Movement had been at its strongest when people understand that each persons krystcivil r is a matter of everyones civil rights. So the importance of bringing people together, to march, to talk, to shout to speak in unison about our collective interest and making sure each one is treated equally is so important. And the Coalition Just makes it better. And it makes us stronger. As you have been going around the country and you just in michigan and they tell me that you more people than the Democratic Caucus there usually gets in these events. Do you see a real energy of people around the midterms, what does the democrats need to do to win the house and the senate . You know, so i think those are two points that you are making which are equally relevant and to the uniqueness of this time. There is the Democratic Party piece but also the people piece. People are self selecting. So the beauty of what is happening is people arent waiting for the Democratic Party to touch them on the shoulder. If anything, theyre touching the Democratic Party on the shoulder and saying you need to see me and hear and speak for me with courage and with action. And so people are self selecting. We see that from the womens march, the march for our lives, the march for science, right. People are showing up who have never been a part, because they are figuring out if theyre interests are reelected refl policy and law then they have to be out there and be heard. So there is that happening and i think the Democratic Party is seeing in and encouraging it but also also energized and listening to people where they are. You talking about running in 2020 and said you have not made that commitment. Vice President Biden was on with me last sunday and said he was thinking about it, and senator warren and others have been here. What could make Kamala Harris say yes, im going to do this . Well i cant even get to that question until we deal with some of the stuff right in front of us, rev. It is great and i know people like to think about that and because i think people think about that being the highest office in the land so that is the most interesting for people. But the offices that truly make a difference every day include these congressional offices and include the Senate Offices right now we have a lot of people up in 2018 and november, just 200 days from now and weve got to make sure that we do the right thing with those elections. Because each day in the life of the American People is a very long time. Each day in the life of the American People that they are struggling to put gas in their car, struggling to get that rent paid by the end of the month, to pay off their student loans, each day is a very long time. They dont want us to wait until 2020 to figure out and solve some of the problems theyre experiencing. They want that to happen now and people in a position of leadership, if they are really leaders, i think, have to be focused on what we need to do right now and that includes focusing on the 2018 election cycle. You have a unique background of having been a state attorney general and prosecutor and then on and have had to balance between criminal justice issues like mass incarceration and Police Community which would give you a unique place if you were to run to be president because you have lectured Law Enforcement about being more responsive but then lectured people like me Understanding Police have their lives out there every day. Is it that balance you are trying to get into the public space to discuss. Because i was told by the family of Stephon Clark he recently did a town hall in sacramento where you struck that balance. I dont understand why this mung man is bed but i dont think all cops are bad so lets deal with this in a Justice Justice is balance. That is exactly right. And accepting a false choice. Listen, i know based on my experience that every time a Police Officer leaves their home, going to their shift, their family will say s silent or not silent prayer that they return at the end of their shift. I know that every black man i know, be he a relative or colleague has experienced some kind of situation where they have been profiled or unseasonably stopped. I know that we have a duty to create and always Pay Attention to the need to eliminate bias in terms of the way that any of us think and make our decisions and in particular those who are in positions of power. I know that we need to have a system of justice that includes that when people when a human being kills another human being or a woman is raped or a child is molested, there needs to be a swift consequence. I know all of these things to be true. They are all true. They all coexist. And what and when will you make a final decision . After we see what happens in 2018. Several after this interview. Cant blame a brother for trying. No, youra good brother. Well wait and see what happens but the message is there and we thank you for being with us this morning. Thank you, rev, for everything you do. Thanks again to senator harris. Next in the sharpton primary i had a chance to sit down with democratic new york senator kirsten gillibrand. Senator gillibrand, first of all, thanks for being with us this morning. You spoke at National Action netwo Network Convention this week and youre essence was 50 years after the assassination of dr. King we need to find the issues to unite on to deal with changing the direction this present administration has the country going. What are those issues in your mind . We have a lot of issues. Both social justice and Economic Justice issues and i think they are all intertwined and go hand in land. You have to do the criminal Justice Reform and have to change the fact that we still have two black men in a starbucks getting arrested for sitting there. And that is a huge structural impediment to make sure everything is fair and i talked about full employment and we focus on how do we make sure thatern that every person who wants to be working is working and one of the original visions of dr. King and his wife Coretta Scott king after he was murdered is to talk about how you create universal jobs. And i think you could create a program or invest in communities and create Public Service jobs for anybody who needs one and doesnt have one and if you do that, you could deal with structural and intertucson institutional communities. And you have taken a position in terms of dealing with the march and demonstrations from gender equality to dealing with new gun legislation. Where is the temperature you think in the midterm elections . Will the democrats be able to take the house and enough of the senate to actually enact some of the things that youve been advocating for . I do. I think people are angry and they dont agree with President Trump. I think President Trump has been spewing hate into the world since he became president. And it is dividing the country. And unfortunately, that makes us a weaker country. We are strongest when we care about one another and i think what makes our country is exceptional is when we care care about others on thur selves. And it is life and liberty and the pursuit for all americans and every men are creating equal and each generation is trying to create a Stronger Union and i believe the American People are so angry this president is taking us down the road that they are coming out and in favor of gun violence and gun safety and common sense reforms and i think people are willing to vote and organize for what they believe in and fight for what they believe in and that is what were seeing today and we see it in the number of candidates and women running in record numbers, over 400 women running for the house of representatives alone and a lot of challengers in all of the different districts across the country and i think well flip the house. We only need 24 seats and we have a lot of candidates that are strong. You have been touted by some as a possible candidate in 2020. You know that i had had vice President Biden on the show last sunday and he said hes not ruling it out, but hes going to think about it and let us know by the end of the year. Are you ruling it out . Im focused on 2018 as you know. Because i want to be your senator and continue to serve in the u. S. Senate and so im up for e election in november and so im traveling the state and asking for support in what i want to do for this state. That is what im focused on. After 18 if you were reelected would you consider on running. Im not planning on it. Im focused on 2018. What is the message you think that whoever runs in 2020 needs to run on . If you were the one if you were not the candidate but could advise the candidate and theyre facing donald trump or Vice President pence if something legally prevents President Trump from running, what do you think the message is . Because i think a lot of times we get caught up on the messenger and not the message. I think the message is about fighting for what is right against what is wrong. I think it is about fighting for other peoples kids as hard as you fight for your own and about basic human rights and civil rights and social justice for everyone. So whether that is making sure people have south caroli have care as a right and not a privilege and get the job you need and have universal jobs in this country, those are the type of priorities that i think i stand for and a lot of democrats do and i think that is what theyll be talking about in the midterms in 20. And when we talk about gender equality and message, ive talked to you today, talked to senator Kamala Harris, do you think the country is ready for a women president . I do. Hillary won the popular vote. The country is ready. And i think that what they really want is a leader who speaks from conviction and from their heart with great authenticity and passion and that could be a man or a woman. So i believe the country is ready. It is just about someone who is going to really share their values and fight for what they care deeply about. Thank you, senator gillibrand. Thank you reverend sharpton. Thanks again to senator gillibrand. Coming up, two more potential 2020 candidates, senator Bernie Sanders will run for the second time possibly, will the second time be the luck needs to put him in the white house. And then senator Elizabeth Warren who has taken relentless attacks from President Trump. Were getting just started. Well be right back. No matter when you retire, your income doesnt have to. See how lincoln can help ensure you still have income every month of your retirement, guaranteed, at lincolnfinancial. Com. Running for president two years ago, senator Bernie Sanders carved out a name for himself as the fresh breath of air liberals have been waiting for. A politician who doesnt shy away from Single Payer Health care system, a living wage, and criminal Justice Reform and por. But i wanted to find out in this sharpton primary whether this message is getting old or is it the one that could put him in the oval office. Senator sanders, it is interesting, you are no stranger to the National Action Network Conventions, and youve been here before and a lot of people are saying things that i only heard you say in 16 so has the parry caug parry the party that the progressives need to save you and senator warren and others. I think the Democratic Party is now understanding it makes more sense to listen to ordinary americans and working families rather than just wealthy Campaign Contributors and when do you that, a lot of things change. As you moved around the country and you you have been all over the place, you really never came off the road, are you finding an intensefying of the drive and ferver of people to come out . I was last week at a organizing effort in there were 450 people who are running for office, many for the first time, significant numbers of women and people of color. What we are seeing all over this country is people standing up and fighting back, not only against trump, but for Progressive Agenda that speaks to the needs of the middle class and working families. You have decided yet, are you running in 2020. I have not made that decision. What would make you make the decision . I want more than anything to see that trump is defeated and what i will assess at the proper final is who is the best candidate i remember that sincerely, everybody has an ego, i have an ego but what is most important is we come together to transform america to create a government that works for all and the not few and to defend donald trump and at the appropriate time and right now my focus is on 2018, doing everything i can to see the democrats regain control of the house or maybe even the senate. That is where my foucus. But at some point well look around to see which candidate is the best candidate to defeat trump. And youll go that w that. Yes. And do you think that others will go if it is Bernie Sanders, if they will support you. I think increasingly, if that is the case and if people assess that i am the best candidate, i think they will be supportive. One of the things that ive seen you go out of the your way to do is to expand progressives in supporting africanamerican candidates and our causes. It wasnt two weeks ago that you marched with Martin Luther king iii and i, in memphis, commemorating his fathers assassination and i think a lot of people in civil rights felt that some progressives took us for granted. You not only didnt do that in 16, you started with things sh you consistently have done that since then. Why has that become so important to Bernie Sanders legacy. Our job now is to bring people together. Especially at a time when trump is trying to defeat us and to divide us up. And right now with a lot of people hurting, it is clear that the Africanamerican Community in terms of issues of criminal justice, in terms of issues of poverty, these are issues that have to be addressed and will have to work together. You were praising president ramos you were praising him and saying that we were not looking at a lot of things because of this figure, things he was fighting for. The irony is when you read the old script, you were giving him a lot of praise. Clear that up. What boeshlthers me, i donte to explain politics to you. We have conservative democrats that will try to take everything i saw out of context and if you look and who disagrees, if you look at what happened to the Democratic Party over the last ten years, Democratic Party has lost about a thousand legislative seats. About half of the country is now controlled fully in states by rightwing extremists. That is not a Business Model of success for the Democratic Party. And what i said is sometimes we forget about this because you had an extraordinary president and an extraordinary candidate. And they said, oh, obama won in 2008 and 2012, isnt that great . Yeah. But forget about what was happening at the grassroots level. And because if they had been doing what he was doing, or what did you in 16, there might have been different results at a local level. Absolutely. One of the points i make all of the time, it is a disgrace that the Democratic Party is not a 50state party. How do you concede states like mississippi, or south carolina, or idaho for that matter or for kansas. You cant be a Stro

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