Death. Perhaps part of the strategic way of doing it is to bomb them. You know, and to engage in force. But that only caused jims death really. I guess all im trying to say is i feel that our government needs to be shrewder, smarter, willing to negotiate with these people who hate us. A reminder just how high the stakes are in this fight against isis. Also, a navy pilot is missing after two jets crashed over the pacific. The two hornets crashed while flying off the Aircraft Carrier the uss carl vincent. One was quickly found, the other still missing a convicted School Shooter is back in Police Custody after escaping from prison. T. J. Lane is serving three life sentences for killing three students at Chardon High School in ohio in the 2012. Last night he escaped along with three other inmates who were also captured. We were able to set up a perimeter oh quickly that deterred them from going any further than they did go. Lane is notorious for wearing a tshirt with the word killer scrawled on it the day he was sentenced in court. The School District where he killed three students canceled class today and offering is counseling to students. And the verdict is in. Blade runner olympian Oscar Pistorius is guilty of culpable homicide. Here in the u. S. Thats roughly the charge of involuntary manslaughter. The judge found him not guilty of the larger charge of murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend revalley steen camp. The judge believed pistorious when he argued he thought it was an intruder in his bathroom, not his girlfriend. Steen camps family says justice wasnt served in that sixmonth trial. And lets drill down on our big story today. For days, controversy swirling over when the nfl knew about that video. And former ravens player ray rice assaulting his now wife ja nay. Now you can forget the video. Nbc has just confirmed espns earlier report that rice actually told the league about his actions months ago. Rob givens who has spoken publicly about her own abusive marriage to mike tyson talked to colleagues at today. Can you understand why ja nay stayed . I do, i do. Look, for me, it was hard for me to say this happened to me. In many respects, it was terrible that i said it. Youre not supposed to tell. Yeah. So i think shes got a lot of things that shes dealing with. You want to protect your man and stand by him. Meanwhile, the ravens rolled to victory last night at home. It was hard not to notice something. Several female fans showing up wearing prorice jerseys. I wear the jersey in support of ray rice because i love ray rice. Im sorry, i dont believe in abuse, but she struck him first. And any woman who can hit a man can be hit back. Sorry. Thats my belief. Point blank. Joining me now nbcs Peter Alexander has been reporting on the story. Big news in it. Sports editor at the nation and host of edge of sports on sirius xm radio and attorney john mesereau. Peter, i understand you just spoke to some of your sources about that meeting that rice we know had with goodell months ago. What did you hear. This is important. This is the meeting that took place with close to a dozen individuals. The nfls Roger Goodell, the commissioner, ray rice and his wife in attendance during the course of the meeting. Sources close to ray rice say that rice told them that he specifically described to goodell and the group in the room hitting his wife inside that elevator, that he told them in detail exactly what happened there. This is significant because earlier this week, we heard Roger Goodell tell cbs that it was ambiguous in terms of the circumstances the way they were described by ray rice versus the way that he had come to understand exactly what took place based on the video. He said it was inconsistent what rice told him with what he saw. This would seem to conflict with that. The sources close to rice tell me he has accepted responsibility from the beginning on this and say hes been focused on family, not football and hes been with his wife attending counseling consistently since this initially happened. One other thing ronan, news we should break is that ray rice and the Nfl Players Association today were notified of the indefinite suspension by the league. Officially the notification arrived today. Its significant because this is the day ray rice was initially supposed to have been reinstated to the league. If this video never came out, he would be back on the field next sunday. That is the source of controversy. Did it take National Outrage to get them to take action on this issue. Peter, this aspect of these female fans rallying to rices support. What do you make of that . It was stunning to me. We were in the parking lot and it canned like any other sunday or thursday night as it would be outside the stadium where the ravens played. There were literally at least a dozen female fans that i saw wearing rices number 27. You heard the sound bite with this one fan who i think her words will outrage a lot of people saying blaming the victim here. Most of the women i spoke to said ray rice led an antibullying campaign. He was a celebrated athlete but also a celebrated citizen for so long. They say even though they will do not condone what hes accused or now we have seen actually did in that elevator, they say they still support him and anwish he and his wife well. Dave, this new information as peter just pointed out flies in the face of everything that goodell has been saying this week back this description of what he said as ambiguous. How much fallout do you expect from this latest news . It keeps the story alive. Thats the most important thing. Anytime you have a situation where a man making 44 million a year running a 10 billion a year company may or may not be forced out of his job because of public outrage, the question of momentum is critical. What roonler goodell has been doing all week is praying for sunday to get here, praying for the narrative to change so we can talk about the games again. Yet, this keeps the focus on Roger Goodell. Honestly, its not surprising at all. If you look at the Police Report which the nfl has had from the beginning, it says explicitly in there, ray rice punched his wife. She was knocked unconscious when she hit her head. Remember rice and his then fiance were both arrested that night and the grand jury dropped the charges against jenay after seeing the video because of what they saw. So either the nfl and goodell are profoundly incurious and for a league that does deep dives into the personal lives of players thats difficult to believe or treated this like the nfl has been treating violence force decades which is cover it up, push it away and thats catching up with Roger Goodell. Thats consistent with the wives of nfl players weve been talking to including Dewan Williams saying she tried to notify the nfl multiple times in emergency situations and they wouldnt take her calls. A troubling trend there. Tom, theres also the legal aspect to consider. The ravens team owner touched on that last night. Take a listen. Had you known in february what was on that video inside the elevator, would you have fired him then . We would have probably been told that we should wait till the court case came out. They had it. The police had it and gave them equal misdemeanors that night. Again, thats astounding to me. And every for me to tell you the truth it, makes me look like im pointing fingers at other people but they gave them equal misdemeanors. In other words, what youre saying is you werent getting a signal from the courts in new jersey that this was as bad. Or the prosecutor that gave him probation. Tom, so much of this National Conversation has focused on the league. Should some blame also lie with the court system here . Ronan, prosecutors and defense lawyers in the criminal Justice System know that Domestic Violence cases are complicated. Theyre complicated because victims of abuse often change their story, often take responsibility, often want the charges dismisses. And the conviction rate is much lower than with other crimes because of that. What id like to know is did mr. Goodell make any effort to the investigate independently other than what he was told in that meeting. Presumably, the nfl has more resources to obtain a tape in a Hotel Elevator than tmz. Did he basically shut his eyes to what could have happened . Did he basically try and sweep it under the rug or did he really honestly believe that this couple told him the truth that it wasnt as serious as he thought. These things have to be investigated. But if he was affected by the wife saying its my fault, i have forgiven him, please dont punish him, that would be understandable, too. We have to investigate and see what happens. Dave, this isnt the only case of Domestic Violence that the league is dealing with. Ray mcdonald of the 49ers out on 25,000 bail, accused of felony Domestic Abuse for assaulting his pregnant fiance. Are other players being held to the same standard that ray rice is in terms of National Route outrage. Not even close. Under goodells tenure, 56 players have been arrested on violence charges suspended a combined 13 games. Of those 56 players, 55 were not caught on videotape. Thats the profoundly cynical message that the league i believe has sent out these last couple weeks. If youre going to commit Domestic Violence, dont get caught on videotape because we cant help you. The outrage is frankly a product of years of inaction. What its forcing people to do is see how the sausages are made in the leaguing and see how this very violent sport spills into families and the personal lives of players and see how the nfl has done solely to confront this problem. If theres one positive part of the story, its sun light being shed on these issues. Dave, tom, peter, thank you for the breaking news on this. Appreciate it. Weve got breaking news on another subject to share with you. Toronto mayor rob ford always us amid controversy is now withdrawing from his race for reelection. The reason he cited, his health. Ford was hospitalize this had week and diagnosed with an abdominal tumor. 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He said its unrealistic to ask moderate rebels to use u. S. Weapons against isis but not against assad. Is it naive to think we can just turn these fighters away from their own war to fight ours . . I think the of all the issues, arming moderate syrians is probably the most problematic. First of all, were not even sure there are any. Secondly, the ones there might be are scattered all over the place. Thirdly, the notion that we can train them out of the country which is one of the ideas, bring them back in, have them take on some of the main groups like al nusra, then go after isis and then by the way, work on assads forces and finally organize a victory parade into damascus is going to be a tall order. And these are forces that weve will extreme reluctance about arming thus far. It does seem quite a step to say now they are going to be the crux of this operation. On the iraqi side of this, were looking at more and more support for the kurdish peshmerga. How reliable are they as partners . I think thats a much more doable proposition. They have a i think is command structure and attend to be rather well disciplined, pretty well trained. Very loyal troops. I think that is a doable proposition. Theyve not ever received the arms they need. Theyre clearly getting those now. So i can see the pesh mer her ga being important in the fight. The only issue is the peshmerga is not necessarily interested in liberating arab lands for arabs. Theyre interested in kurdish lands. Right and some of the kurdish objectives like separatism are not always what we want to be supporting. Chris hill, thank you for helping us understand today. Appreciate it. Those challenges the ambassador is telling us about could make for a tough road ahead politically as Congress Considers funding it 0 train the forces. Joining me to discuss the stakes, robert costa, National Political reporter for the Washington Post and clarence page, columnist for the chicago tribune, both excellent reporters. Thank you both of you for taking time. The president s requesting title 108 training funds for the Syrian Rebels. What exactly does the president need and what are the chans hes going to get it . I think the chances of him getting it, this hits an awkward time right before the midterm elections. Not enough time to have adequate debate really for something this serious, but i think congress is going to go along with the president for the time being, most of it will go along with him just for the sake of national unity. Even if. The parties arent unified themselves around this issue. What hes really seeking here is aid to rebels that he disparaged not that long ago as being something of a ragtag bunch of craftsmen and carpenters and clerks, et cetera. Now they are some sort of a hope for liberation from assad. I think what you just heard earlier segment was true. The leadership is very divided there and theres hundreds of different militia groups there. I this i obamas trying to in some way pressure assad into some sort of cooperation. Well see. Robert, if the president doesnt get what he needs on the hill, what then . Well, i think the president will get initially what he needs which is this authorization to arm the rebels. The reason i think hes going to it is because what im hearing from my sources today instead of tieing this request to a government funding bill, it will be a stand alone bill allowed it to be whipped on its own merits and if he doesnt get it, i think the president Still Believes he has the authority to move forward in this limited fashion. Clarence, you just mentioned