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Brian Williams examines the days top political stories and current politicalcampaign news. And Donald Trumps name wasnt mentioned today. Robert muellers name wasnt mentioned today. This trial does not have to do with any connection to the 2016 campaign. Nor does rick gates involvement dovetail with what he did in the 2016 campaign, nor his work on the inaugural committee. Its a highly separate trial involving past clients of Paul Manaforts. I think if were reading between the lines, its the prelude to something that is supposed to be bigger. Obviously the prosecutors have a case that theyre bringing here, but it does seem like theyre looking down the road to try to get or compel Paul Manafort to participate in the larger mission, which is the investigation to collusion in the trump campaign. And were all sort of waiting to see what manafort does under this type of pressure. I do agree that the case the defense he is bringing seems highly uncompelling. Basically, he is saying my underling did all this without my knowledge. Paul manafort is begging the jury to believe his story. The prosecutors are telling them are are the receipts. So hes got a really bad card to play, yet he is still playing it. It all begs the question, why. Why is he not trying to get some bigger deal done with Robert Muellers team. And i dont know if there are great answer to this other than he is waiting for potentially a pardon down the road. And josh, weve already had the first Strange Bedfellow in the first witness. Tad devine, he of the liberal left, he of the kerry campaign, the Bernie Sanders campaign, what was he doing testifying in this trial today . Well, he was brought in because he actually worked alongside manafort. You know, its fairly typical in these overseas Political Consulting efforts when americans go in. Its pretty normal for a republican like manafort to team up with somebody of a democratic large d u. S. Democratic background to go in and advise a candidate in these countries. And thats exactly what happened with Viktor Yanukovych and manafort. Manafort brought todd devine and several other democratic odd makers along to sort of balance out the team. He was brought in by prosecutors today to testify about sort of how much money was made, but mainly about how involved manafort was in the effort in ukraine and in some of the financial matters so that it would be more difficult i think for manafort to claim that he was just sort of passively involved here and wasnt paying much attention. Devine essentially described manafort as a detailed guy already trying to undercut the potential defense that he was somehow hoodwinked by rick gates or perhaps by his accountants or his tax people into the kinds of activities that got him indicted. Cynthia, youre the lawyer here, so i got two more for you. Number one is another mechanical question. Tell the folks watching why it is that Paul Manafort, and weve established he likes him some highend menswear, is able to wear a suit in court, even though we have seen his Booking Photo in the green jumpsuit as prisoners wear in that part of the state of virginia. Is it courtesy and is it because coming in in a Prison Jump Suit would be instantly visually pretty judicial . Yes, it is. It is more fair for him to appear in a suit than an orange jumpsuit. There is no reason to humiliate him in that way. There is enough happening in the courtroom as it is. I want to comment on tad devine starting really quickly. I think it was very smart. Part of telling the jury the story is to tell it in a compelling way, and to tell it in a way that you put your witnesses in an order so you can protect your witness who is going to have the most problems. And thats gates. So here they start with tad devine. He is a very elegant, softspoken, nice person who said nice things about mr. Manafort that was elicited. And it allows the prosecution to be appear to be being fair to mr. Manafort and to start and to overview the story in a way that is isnt bombarding them, but is getting the point out. I think it was very smart. And its smart to put a couple witnesses in front and behind gates who are unimpeachable to kind of sandwich him in. And that was a very good start to the day, i think. You are also smart to note that this is, after all, story telling. And youve said the same thing about mueller, that this will be a tapestry, a story he will tell. When we look back on whatever book gets published, the mueller case writ large, do you think today this trial is the forward . Is It Chapter One . Is it the foreword . Is It Chapter One . Well, i think its the i think its chapter one. Mueller has this huge charge to look into, and its this huge elephant. And you have to eat the elephant, right . So what do you do . You take a bite. You have to take something small. You have to take something easy for your first bite. And a paper case on a tax fraud would be the first bite of a very large elephant. For my fellow animal lovers, we have thus far deceased an ostrich and an elephant by my count. So sam, lets strike a note for press freedom. Sure. Here we are in the last night of july. We have had three white house on Camera Briefings in the month of july, a total of 58 available minutes of on camera briefing time. What are we watching happen here . So its beyond its not just that chilling number which is chilling, you know. We had instances in which a cnn reporter was restricted from going to an open air White House Briefing event. We had the president deliberately avoid interacting with the White House Press corps as he makes his way to either his motorcade or to marine one. And weve seen this happen under the new leadership of bill shine, who seems to have a very acrimonious relationship with the media, or i should say doesnt particularly like the idea of the media questioning his client, the president. And i think whats ended up happening is donald trump has decided its in his Strategic Interests to essentially cut off access, to cut off the hard questions because they might trip him up. And its happening right as the Mueller Investigation is heating up, of course, as this trial has gone, but also as tough stuff like Child Separation Policy has come into the forefront. And unless there is some sort of price to pay, if they continue to think that this is in their longterm political interest, im not sure anything changes. In fact, i think it could even get worse as we go through august. So its chilling. Its been a long time coming, and, you know, the press corps has to figure out how to penetrate this bubble somehow. And im open to new ideas, and i hope they are too. All right. Well stay on it. And big thanks to our starting three tonight. Were hoping josh does not rue the day he signed up to help us cover this trial where days are long in alexandria. So to Josh Gerstein, to cynthia alksne, sam stein, thank you so much to all three of you. Thank you. Good night. Come up, our report from the trump rally in tampa tonight. This is critical. From a Special Correspondent who went there for us to witness his first trump rally. And later, more fallout from the trump Family Separation Policy. New reporting on the trauma separated families are facing, after they are reunited. Were just getting under way on a tuesday night. Were going to have tremendous Border Security that will include the wall, that will include the wall. Now a lot of people dont know it, but weve already started the wall. We got 1. 6 billion, and weve started large portions of the wall. But were going to need even the way we negotiate, were going to need more and were going to get more. And we may have to do some pretty drastic things, but were going to get it. That would be another hint at the government shutdown. That was President Trump rallying supporters on Border Security tonight in tampa. We should point out as we always have to the president s border wall has not been started, just repairs to an older section near san diego. The president spoke for over an hour on a number of issues, including the economy, including his contention that Merry Christmas is under siege no more, including trade immigration, the supreme court, voter id, and shopping for food. We believe that only american citizens should vote in american elections. Which is why the time has come for voter id, like everything else. Voter id. And if you go out and you want the buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need id. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need id, and you need your picture. In this country, the only time you dont need it in many cases is when you want to vote for a president , when you want to vote for a senator, when you want to vote for a governor or a congressman. Its crazy. That was the kind of thing tonight, and during the rally, the president also heaped praise on republican congressman ron desantis who is running in floridas gubernatorial primary. With us to talk about it, david jolly, former republican congressman from florida, represented the tampa metropolitan region. He attended tonights rally in tampa, and now we can say among other things he has been to a trump rally. Also with us, lisa lerer, National Politics reporter for the Associated Press. Congressman, i am very interested to hear your takeaway from your first rally, and chiefly, what television doesnt convey about a trump rally. So i think some of the story lines are what we are used to. Perhaps the National Story tomorrow is really the chanting and attacks on the free press, and frankly, your colleague jim acosta over at cnn. A viral video that is now going around. The real verbal assaults, if you will, to the press. That was absolutely on display. We also saw the energy in the crowd when donald trump would address immigration matters, and frankly, antiimmigration rhetoric, if you will. Also mentions of Hillary Clinton excited the crowd. All those bread and butter issues. Brian, what was most remarkable to me, though, and probably the thing that i will never forget, and i am wrestling with tonight is how homogeneous the crowd was. And we can decide whether or not we want to assign culpability to the president for cultivating a constituency that tonight was 99 caucasian, working class, or is that a broader National Conversation we need to have. But ill be honest with you. And i gut check myself. I asked friends and i asked other folks in the media, look around. How many african americans, how many black americans do we see tonight . And you could count them on one finger. And some of them were specifically positioned for camera shots. This was a White Working Class audience. To Donald Trumps credit, they felt he was speaking for them, not just to him, but he was speaking to their anger. Thats the one thing i wrestle with. Look, the Tampa Bay Community is a very diverse community. I represented a very diverse community. I walked into a rally tonight that was probably the most homogeneous environment ive been in decades. Im curious. How many people recognized you . Obviously youre from there. Youre republican, but youve been highly critical of this president. So i certainly received some criticisms from those who said i needed to be softer on the president. I could also have a conversation tonight, though, about how different Media Platforms divide the information that we receive, because longtime republican supporters who have not heard some of my criticisms because of where they receive their news today, they were not aware of my criticisms of the president. And so they treated me as a friend. But certainly there were those who wanted to know why i was there, questioned my intentions. Look, i was there out of respect for those who support donald trump. I dont support him. I remain a republican, and i was there to learn from those in attendance. I leave tonight in a strong disagreement as i arrived, but it was important that i attended. Well, thank you for that assessment. Lisa, in many ways it was a standard trump rally. Just when you thought he was on the edge of being rooseveltian, he talked about actually taking office and realizing he was president. I made some notes here. He talked about washington, and he said i know the great people. I know the scum. So i figured okay, so not so rooseveltian there. Did you hear anything new tonight that he may take out on the road . I mean, it mostly did as you say seemed like the standard trump rally. It continues to be striking to me how much the president wants to run on immigration in these mid terms. That really is the central piece of his message, and its one is that he believe that he believes rightfully so, resonates with his base. But i suspect what he may not be taking into account is it also resonates very strongly with democrats. So while driving up his base could help in the senate map which is sort of tilted toward republicans to begin with, in the house it gets a little more complicated because a lot of the battleground is in the suburban districts. And by continuing to talk about these divisive issues like immigration, like the potential for a government shutdown, along with the, you know, never ending series of news about the investigation, you know, about controversial remarks, every one of those headlines is an additional shot of adrenaline into an already energized democratic grassroots. So what weve seen is protesters have become volunteers, are likely to become voters. And that level of enthusiasm is something that scares a lot of republicans, particularly when they look at the map in the house. Lisa, how concerned you . Is the Associated Press to your knowledge about this other dynamic that david talked about . One of the viral videos of the abuse jim acosta of cnn took from the crowd we had to blur what people are wearing. We cant play what theyre yelling at him. Eric trump retweeted it. The president retweeted eric trumps tweet of the video. They were called fake news repeatedly tonight. Whats the level of concern . Well, i think everybody is concerned. I thought the Times Publisher ag sulzberger made a really god point over the week. As you know, there was this back and forth after an off the record meeting he had had with the president became the president made it public. He pointed out that the threats matter of course in the u. S. , but more importantly, trump is giving cover to dictators across the globe who want to suppress Press Freedoms in places like syria, in places, you know, like the philippines, places where its really hard and very, very, very dangerous. And really, youre risking your life to deliver impartial information. That to me seems to be the biggest danger to the press globally. And thats certainly a trend thats not being helped by the president s rhetoric. Congressman, you get the last word. Steve schmidt left the party. Are you still a republican . For now, but im always one day away, brian. What we saw tonight was a big tent republican party. Unlike the big tent conversations we had in the past ten years about whether or not there was room for moderates, tonight we saw a big tent that invited in extremists, the wikileaks crowd, the seth rich crowd. This is a different republican party. And, you know, there will likely be a day some time in the near future perhaps on your show where i join Steve Schmidt in making a statement very much like he did. Well, as for tonight, you are our Special Correspondent of the trump rally. And our day to day correspondent lisa lerer. Thank you, brian. We thank you so much david jolly and lisa lerer of the Associated Press. Coming up, the white house rumor that is now put to rest, done and dusted, at least for tonight. Thats next when we continue. At the Marine Mammal center, the environment is everything. Kelly was struggling to bring order to the chaotic west wing, referred to trump as an idiot multiple times. Kelly was referred to openly by multiple members of the press a dead man walking. It happened to be the same day a year ago president fired his first chief of staff, reince priebus, via twitter from air force one, famously cutting priebus loose on a rainy tarmac. The Washington Post tonight reminds Us Trump Has Quote Weighed Replacing Kelly in recent months, and as with all Personnel Matters in the trump white house, circumstances could change and kelly may not end up staying in his job through the 2020 election, considering he serves at the pleasure of a president who often acts on impulse and whim. With us to talk about it, coauthor of that piece, robert costa for the Washington Post. Robert, anyone we have of your ilk this late in the broadcast indicates we have a lot of news on a night like tonight. Your story among the pieces of news. We have been hearing, i have been hearing the president has been polling friends and associates really recently about replacing kelly, including floating names. He has been. He has established a rapport with his generational peer in general kelly. They bond as people who have shared grievances about members of the media, about different political rivals or enemies, but the president has not been eager to make an immediate move, but he has talked to associates about Donald Trumps<\/a> name wasnt mentioned today. Robert muellers name wasnt mentioned today. This trial does not have to do with any connection to the 2016 campaign. Nor does rick gates involvement dovetail with what he did in the 2016 campaign, nor his work on the inaugural committee. Its a highly separate trial involving past clients of Paul Manafort<\/a>s. I think if were reading between the lines, its the prelude to something that is supposed to be bigger. Obviously the prosecutors have a case that theyre bringing here, but it does seem like theyre looking down the road to try to get or compel Paul Manafort<\/a> to participate in the larger mission, which is the investigation to collusion in the trump campaign. And were all sort of waiting to see what manafort does under this type of pressure. I do agree that the case the defense he is bringing seems highly uncompelling. Basically, he is saying my underling did all this without my knowledge. Paul manafort is begging the jury to believe his story. The prosecutors are telling them are are the receipts. So hes got a really bad card to play, yet he is still playing it. It all begs the question, why. Why is he not trying to get some bigger deal done with Robert Muellers<\/a> team. And i dont know if there are great answer to this other than he is waiting for potentially a pardon down the road. And josh, weve already had the first Strange Bedfellow<\/a> in the first witness. Tad devine, he of the liberal left, he of the kerry campaign, the Bernie Sanders<\/a> campaign, what was he doing testifying in this trial today . Well, he was brought in because he actually worked alongside manafort. You know, its fairly typical in these overseas Political Consulting<\/a> efforts when americans go in. Its pretty normal for a republican like manafort to team up with somebody of a democratic large d u. S. Democratic background to go in and advise a candidate in these countries. And thats exactly what happened with Viktor Yanukovych<\/a> and manafort. Manafort brought todd devine and several other democratic odd makers along to sort of balance out the team. He was brought in by prosecutors today to testify about sort of how much money was made, but mainly about how involved manafort was in the effort in ukraine and in some of the financial matters so that it would be more difficult i think for manafort to claim that he was just sort of passively involved here and wasnt paying much attention. Devine essentially described manafort as a detailed guy already trying to undercut the potential defense that he was somehow hoodwinked by rick gates or perhaps by his accountants or his tax people into the kinds of activities that got him indicted. Cynthia, youre the lawyer here, so i got two more for you. Number one is another mechanical question. Tell the folks watching why it is that Paul Manafort<\/a>, and weve established he likes him some highend menswear, is able to wear a suit in court, even though we have seen his Booking Photo<\/a> in the green jumpsuit as prisoners wear in that part of the state of virginia. Is it courtesy and is it because\rcoming in in a Prison Jump Suit<\/a> would be instantly visually pretty judicial . Yes, it is. It is more fair for him to appear in a suit than an orange jumpsuit. There is no reason to humiliate him in that way. There is enough happening in the courtroom as it is. I want to comment on tad devine starting really quickly. I think it was very smart. Part of telling the jury the story is to tell it in a compelling way, and to tell it in a way that you put your witnesses in an order so you can protect your witness who is going to have the most problems. And thats gates. So here they start with tad devine. He is a very elegant, softspoken, nice person who said nice things about mr. Manafort that was elicited. And it allows the prosecution to be appear to be being fair to mr. Manafort and to start and to overview the story in a way that is isnt bombarding\rthem, but is getting the point out. I think it was very smart. And its smart to put a couple witnesses in front and behind gates who are unimpeachable to kind of sandwich him in. And that was a very good start to the day, i think. You are also smart to note that this is, after all, story telling. And youve said the same thing about mueller, that this will be a tapestry, a story he will tell. When we look back on whatever book gets published, the mueller case writ large, do you think today this trial is the forward . Is It Chapter One<\/a> . Is it the foreword . Is It Chapter One<\/a> . Well, i think its the i think its chapter one. Mueller has this huge charge to look into, and its this huge elephant. And you have to eat the elephant, right . So what do you do . You take a bite. You have to take something small. You have to take something easy for your first bite. And a paper case on a tax fraud would be the first bite of a\rvery large elephant. For my fellow animal lovers, we have thus far deceased an ostrich and an elephant by my count. So sam, lets strike a note for press freedom. Sure. Here we are in the last night of july. We have had three white house on Camera Briefings<\/a> in the month of july, a total of 58 available minutes of on camera briefing time. What are we watching happen here . So its beyond its not just that chilling number which is chilling, you know. We had instances in which a cnn reporter was restricted from going to an open air White House Briefing<\/a> event. We had the president deliberately avoid interacting with the White House Press<\/a> corps as he makes his way to either his motorcade or to marine one. And weve seen this happen under the new leadership of bill shine, who seems to have a very acrimonious relationship with the media, or i should say\rdoesnt particularly like the idea of the media questioning his client, the president. And i think whats ended up happening is donald trump has decided its in his Strategic Interests<\/a> to essentially cut off access, to cut off the hard questions because they might trip him up. And its happening right as the Mueller Investigation<\/a> is heating up, of course, as this trial has gone, but also as tough stuff like Child Separation Policy<\/a> has come into the forefront. And unless there is some sort of price to pay, if they continue to think that this is in their longterm political interest, im not sure anything changes. In fact, i think it could even get worse as we go through august. So its chilling. Its been a long time coming, and, you know, the press corps has to figure out how to penetrate this bubble somehow. And im open to new ideas, and i hope they are too. All right. Well stay on it. And big thanks to our starting three tonight. Were hoping josh does not rue the day he signed up to help us cover this trial where days are long in alexandria. So to Josh Gerstein<\/a>, to cynthia alksne, sam stein, thank you so much to all three of you. Thank you. Good night. Come up, our report from the trump rally in tampa tonight. This is critical. From a Special Correspondent<\/a> who went there for us to witness his first trump rally. And later, more fallout from the trump Family Separation Policy<\/a>. New reporting on the trauma separated families are facing, after they are reunited. Were just getting under way on a tuesday night. Were going to have tremendous Border Security<\/a> that will include the wall, that will include the wall. Now a lot of people dont know it, but weve already started the wall. We got 1. 6 billion, and weve started large portions of the wall. But were going to need even the way we negotiate, were going to need more and were going to get more. And we may have to do some pretty drastic things, but were going to get it. That would be another hint at the government shutdown. That was President Trump<\/a> rallying supporters on Border Security<\/a> tonight in tampa. We should point out as we always have to the president s border wall has not been started, just repairs to an older section near san diego. The president spoke for over an hour on a number of issues, including the economy, including his contention that Merry Christmas<\/a> is under siege no more, including trade immigration, the supreme court,\rvoter id, and shopping for food. We believe that only american citizens should vote in american elections. Which is why the time has come for voter id, like everything else. Voter id. And if you go out and you want the buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need id. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need id, and you need your picture. In this country, the only time you dont need it in many cases is when you want to vote for a president , when you want to vote for a senator, when you want to vote for a governor or a congressman. Its crazy. That was the kind of thing tonight, and during the rally, the president also heaped praise on republican congressman ron desantis who is running in floridas gubernatorial primary. With us to talk about it, david jolly, former republican congressman from florida, represented the tampa metropolitan region. He attended tonights rally in tampa, and now we can say among other things he has been to a trump rally. Also with us, lisa lerer, National Politics<\/a> reporter for the Associated Press<\/a>. Congressman, i am very interested to hear your takeaway from your first rally, and chiefly, what television doesnt convey about a trump rally. So i think some of the story lines are what we are used to. Perhaps the National Story<\/a> tomorrow is really the chanting and attacks on the free press, and frankly, your colleague jim acosta over at cnn. A viral video that is now going around. The real verbal assaults, if you will, to the press. That was absolutely on display. We also saw the energy in the crowd when donald trump would address immigration matters, and frankly, antiimmigration rhetoric, if you will. Also mentions of Hillary Clinton<\/a> excited the crowd. All those bread and butter issues. Brian, what was most remarkable to me, though, and probably the thing that i will never forget, and i am wrestling with tonight is how homogeneous the crowd was. And we can decide whether or not we want to assign culpability to the president for cultivating a constituency that tonight was 99 caucasian, working class, or is that a broader National Conversation<\/a> we need to have. But ill be honest with you. And i gut check myself. I asked friends and i asked other folks in the media, look around. How many african americans, how many black americans do we see tonight . And you could count them on one finger. And some of them were specifically positioned for camera shots. This was a White Working Class<\/a> audience. To Donald Trumps<\/a> credit, they felt he was speaking for them, not just to him, but he was speaking to their anger. Thats the one thing i wrestle with. Look, the Tampa Bay Community<\/a> is a very diverse community. I represented a very diverse\rcommunity. I walked into a rally tonight that was probably the most homogeneous environment ive been in decades. Im curious. How many people recognized you . Obviously youre from there. Youre republican, but youve been highly critical of this president. So i certainly received some criticisms from those who said i needed to be softer on the president. I could also have a conversation tonight, though, about how different Media Platforms<\/a> divide the information that we receive, because longtime republican supporters who have not heard some of my criticisms because of where they receive their news today, they were not aware of my criticisms of the president. And so they treated me as a friend. But certainly there were those who wanted to know why i was there, questioned my intentions. Look, i was there out of respect for those who support donald trump. I dont support him. I remain a republican, and i was there to learn from those in attendance. I leave tonight in a strong disagreement as i arrived, but it was important that i attended. Well, thank you for that assessment. Lisa, in many ways it was a\rstandard trump rally. Just when you thought he was on the edge of being rooseveltian, he talked about actually taking office and realizing he was president. I made some notes here. He talked about washington, and he said i know the great people. I know the scum. So i figured okay, so not so rooseveltian there. Did you hear anything new tonight that he may take out on the road . I mean, it mostly did as you say seemed like the standard trump rally. It continues to be striking to me how much the president wants to run on immigration in these mid terms. That really is the central piece of his message, and its one is that he believe that he believes rightfully so, resonates with his base. But i suspect what he may not be taking into account is it also resonates very strongly with democrats. So while driving up his base could help in the senate map which is sort of tilted toward republicans to begin with, in the house it gets a little more\rcomplicated because a lot of the battleground is in the suburban districts. And by continuing to talk about these divisive issues like immigration, like the potential for a government shutdown, along with the, you know, never ending series of news about the investigation, you know, about controversial remarks, every one of those headlines is an additional shot of adrenaline into an already energized democratic grassroots. So what weve seen is protesters have become volunteers, are likely to become voters. And that level of enthusiasm is something that scares a lot of republicans, particularly when they look at the map in the house. Lisa, how concerned you . Is the Associated Press<\/a> to your knowledge about this other dynamic that david talked about . One of the viral videos of the abuse jim acosta of cnn took from the crowd we had to blur what people are wearing. We cant play what theyre yelling at him. Eric trump retweeted it. The president retweeted eric trumps tweet of the video. They were called fake news\rrepeatedly tonight. Whats the level of concern . Well, i think everybody is concerned. I thought the Times Publisher<\/a> ag sulzberger made a really god point over the week. As you know, there was this back and forth after an off the record meeting he had had with the president became the president made it public. He pointed out that the threats matter of course in the u. S. , but more importantly, trump is giving cover to dictators across the globe who want to suppress Press Freedoms<\/a> in places like syria, in places, you know, like the philippines, places where its really hard and very, very, very dangerous. And really, youre risking your life to deliver impartial information. That to me seems to be the biggest danger to the press globally. And thats certainly a trend thats not being helped by the president s rhetoric. Congressman, you get the last word. Steve schmidt left the party. Are you still a republican . For now, but im always one day away, brian. What we saw tonight was a big tent republican party. Unlike the big tent conversations we had in the past ten years about whether or not there was room for moderates, tonight we saw a big tent that invited in extremists, the wikileaks crowd, the seth rich crowd. This is a different republican party. And, you know, there will likely be a day some time in the near future perhaps on your show where i join Steve Schmidt<\/a> in making a statement very much like he did. Well, as for tonight, you are our Special Correspondent<\/a> of the trump rally. And our day to day correspondent lisa lerer. Thank you, brian. We thank you so much david jolly and lisa lerer of the Associated Press<\/a>. Coming up, the white house rumor that is now put to rest, done and dusted, at least for tonight. Thats next when we continue. At the Marine Mammal<\/a> center, the environment is everything. Kelly was struggling to bring order to the chaotic west wing, referred to trump as an idiot multiple times. Kelly was referred to openly by multiple members of the press a dead man walking. It happened to be the same day a year ago president fired his first chief of staff, reince priebus, via twitter from air force one, famously cutting priebus loose on a rainy tarmac. The Washington Post<\/a> tonight reminds Us Trump Has Quote Weighed Replacing Kelly<\/a> in recent months, and as with all Personnel Matters<\/a> in the trump white house, circumstances could change and kelly may not end up staying in his job through the 2020 election, considering he serves at the pleasure of a president who often acts on impulse and whim. With us to talk about it, coauthor of that piece, robert costa for the Washington Post<\/a>. Robert, anyone we have of your ilk this late in the broadcast indicates we have a lot of news\ron a night like tonight. Your story among the pieces of news. We have been hearing, i have been hearing the president has been polling friends and associates really recently about replacing kelly, including floating names. He has been. He has established a rapport with his generational peer in general kelly. They bond as people who have shared grievances about members of the media, about different political rivals or enemies, but the president has not been eager to make an immediate move, but he has talked to associates about Mick Mulvaney<\/a> the director of the budget office, nick ay s ayers, chief of staff to Vice President<\/a> pence, and even other options like secretary mnuchin, close to the soninlaw Jared Kushner<\/a> and senior adviser, has been mentioned by some trump allies. Could be akin to president reagan in the late 1980s bringing in don regan. But for now the president is sticking with john kelly. We know that did not go well\rwith don regan, especially if you ask nancy reagan back at the time. You have written a story tonight about the Koch Brothers<\/a>. It was really extraordinary to read criticism of the Koch Brothers<\/a> by the president this morning. The headline is trump feud with koch Network Exposes<\/a> rift between populist forces and establishment gop. Youre a broadcaster yourself. Give us the viewers guide to this fight. The Koch Brothers<\/a> have long been a power in republican politics. They gathered in colorado over the weekend. David koch has since retired from that famous Koch Brothers<\/a> political partnership, business partnership. But charles koch, 82 years old, is very averse to President Trump<\/a>s trade policies, some of his other policies, economic policies, though he does like the tax cut, as most Business People<\/a> do. And because of the tariffs the president has been pushing, he has been telling republican candidates if you stand with President Trump<\/a> on trade, then you risk not getting the koch network endorsement, which is very powerful at times, providing grassroots support, advertising support. This has vexed many\rcongressional republicans who feel that though the president is not a traditional conservative, they would like traditional conservative support in such a Volatile Midterm<\/a> year. Robert, whats your thought on how closely this white house this president who is, lets say, a more Avid Television<\/a> viewer than most will follow the proceedings across the river in alexandria in the Paul Manafort<\/a> trial . As you were talking with Josh Gerstein<\/a> from politico, its really hard for the president to follow this closely because Television Cameras<\/a> are not allowed inside, even reporters recorders are not allowed inside. Its reporters scribbling on notebooks. And that lack of Media Attention<\/a> on television could be a challenge for Paul Manafort<\/a> as he tries to catch the president s attention. In federal prosecutors, Washington Post<\/a> believes manafort is playing for a pardon. But if youre playing for\ranything with President Trump<\/a> you almost have to appear on television. Thats during his executive time is when he really digests the political news and thinks through his strategy for the day and for the coming months. You remind me, i should tell our viewers more often, because its federal court, there are no cameras and we will be relying on Courtroom Sketches<\/a> through the duration of this trial. Our great friend from the Washington Post<\/a>, the very able host of Washington Week<\/a> on pbs, robert costa, thank you as always for coming on with us. Thank you, brian. Coming up for us, 98 days out from those midterm elections. What facebook found in its midst and took down. Tonight the company says theyre up against, quote, a determined well funded adversary who will never give up. When we continue. man managing my type 2 diabetes wasnt my top priority. Until i held her. I found my tresiba\u00ae reason. Now im doing more to lower my a1c. I take tresiba\u00ae once a day. Tresiba\u00ae controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. woman wed been counting down to his retirement. It was our tresiba\u00ae reason. 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Its not certain, but what looks like a Russian Agency<\/a> trying to manipulate our elections. What were looking at in social media is an effort by the russians and potentially other adversaries to create social chaos, to divide america. I can say with pretty high confidence i think this is russianrelated. These are absolute attacks on\rour democracy. I will be introducing thursday a sanctions bill against russia. It will be the sanctions bill from hell. Lets talk about this from security and business perspectives. With us tonight to do that, robert anderson, former fbi Assistant Director<\/a> of counterintelligence. Also happens to be the former Executive Assistant Director<\/a> of the bureaus criminal Cyber Response<\/a> and Services Branch<\/a> where he was responsible for all criminal and cyber investigations worldwide. And stephanie ruhle, a veteran of the investment and banking world and host of the 9 00 a. M. Eastern time hour here on msnbc, and for good measure, the 11 00 a. M. Eastern hour here on msnbc. Welcome to you both. Robert, twopart question for you. Are you convinced this is the russians . And is this a Teaching Opportunity<\/a> for those of us who look at this Facebook Page<\/a> and see that its antii. C. E. And realize that too is russia . Thats the way russia tries to foment division . Yep. Great question, brian. One is i believe its absolutely russia. And i think the bigger part of this, what people need to be looking at, because were talking about the attack on the dnc in 2016, and now the attacks here on facebook, which they deleted today around 32 pages of compromised accounts is russia never left. They didnt leave after attacking us in 2016. They sat right here, and they formulated a plan of how they could attack or try to divide the country in 2018 two years later. And here we are. And when people say we havent followed up on our Intelligence Community<\/a> assessments, this is what theyre talking about. Stephanie, full disclosure, i have a Family Member<\/a> who works at facebook. Having said that, Isnt This The World<\/a> that Mark Zuckerberg<\/a> wanted . And how on earth to you corral the wild west . Im not going to feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg<\/a>. This is the world he created, and maybe its a frankenstein. Maybe he created a monster. And yes, it is extremely difficult to corral it, and facebook is bringing in all sorts of allies and partners and the fbi to address this. But nobodys crying for facebook here. To the point he just made, these cyber attackers never went anywhere. They were there before the 2016 election. They remain there today. And while its our gargantuan problem, facebook has a gargantuan amount of money to address this. And with facebook not being regulated, you can say all day long if people on the hill are united in their condemnation of facebook, but theyre not forcing facebook to do anything or regulating them to do anything. Facebook could shut it down tomorrow until they have this thing solved. What would you shut down, though . There are pages going up tonight that look innocuous and just like robert would see as being russian in their invasion. . Brian, you could shut down facebook. You could say you dont understand the monster you created. Were 98 days away from the midterm elections. And to Cheryl Sandbergs<\/a> point we dont even know where this is coming from. Knowing the threat it is to our american democracy, do you really need to look up what your exboyfriend is doing these days and where he is going on Summer Vacation<\/a> . Maybe not. Not until we address what the exact problem is here. Its not like facebook doesnt have the money to do it. Robert, i need you to chime in here. I tell you, i think its a tough problem. Social media is a huge attack factor for all Nation States<\/a> now. Youve got to think about if this has gone on in facebook, trust me. I dont care if its russia, china, iran or any other adversary we face. Theyre watching our response to this. Ive said this before on this program many times, brian. Russias like a bully on a playground. The more you let them push you around, the more theyre going to push. There are some people in this world that dont understand please and excuse me. And youre looking at them right now, tonight. If all americans knew what you knew, robert, about russia,\rwould any of us get any sleep tonight . Well, i dont know if wed get any sleep, but i think wed be more focused on it. The thing that really bothers me and i think it bothers a lot of americans tonight is weve been talking about this in the government and in the United States<\/a> Intelligence Community<\/a>, and quite frankly, in the social Media Private<\/a> sector for two years. We should have been ready for this. Nobody is shutting down their Facebook Page<\/a>s. Youre not seeing advertisers pull out of facebook en masse. The fact that these Cyber Threats<\/a> are this massive, but people still find them disconnected to their everyday life, were not acting like were afraid. You cover business a fair amount. You came from that world. To borrow a phrase from earlier in this countrys financial history, when facebook gets a cough, the tech economy catches a cold. And weve seen the drag on tech stocks, because i watch you on television. What to do about that portion of this . Listen, facebook, google,\rapples of the world have done so extraordinarily well, i wouldnt be scared about whats going to happen to peoples stock portfolios. But has the day come for these companies to invest millions, possibly billions of dollars in to becoming more responsible entities . Without a doubt. And if thats going to cost them some money, i think the market can withstand it. Robert, the world of facebook is so vast, im just trying to think of Real World Solutions<\/a> short of a shutdown. Is there a worm that can detect the incoming creation of a page that could nip it in the bud and kill it during the birthing process . The problem is brian, there is a lot of Different Software<\/a> that creates out there that we put on Cyber Companies<\/a> or clients of Cyber Companies<\/a> to detect malware. The problem is when that Malware Is Reverse Engineered<\/a> and\rchanged almost by the minute nowadays by bad guys and bad gals around the world, it becomes useless. So i think what youre looking at, i agree with what stephanie said earlier quite frankly. The day has come where there needs to be a partnership between the government and private Sector Companies<\/a> to protect the country, and there needs to be a conversation to talk to how we can do this. Stephanie ruhle, youll be talking about this tomorrow morning . Indeed i will, tomorrow morning. Thank you for talking about it tonight. Robert anderson, thank you for coming back on our broadcast. We appreciate both of you being here tonight, however late the hour. Coming up for us, the Trump Administration<\/a> was warned about the risks of pulling migrant families apart. Today some members of the senate wanted to know why they went ahead and did it anyway, when we continue. They would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didnt cut off the light. The teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. So they would be like, here they come, turn off your lights those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. We actually saved 50,000. And thats just one school, two semesters, three girls. Together, were building a better california. Who here thinks that Zero Tolerance<\/a> has been a success . You can just raise your hand if you think its been a success. Who thinks that the Family Separation Policy<\/a> has been a success . Raise your hand. So that was less than rousing connecticut democratic senator Richard Blumenthal<\/a> questioning federal officials during todays Senate Judiciary<\/a> hearing on the Trump Administration<\/a>s socalled Zero Tolerance<\/a> Immigration Policy<\/a> which resulted in nearly 3,000 children being separated from their parents. Zero tolerance a reminder started in april, ended in midjune after growing public outrage and press coverage. Again today, someone else described these migrant shelters for children as a quote summer camp. This time it was an Administration Official<\/a> and some of these shelters are inside former Big Box Retail<\/a> stores without windows. Another report in the New York Times<\/a> paints a much different picture. It details the trauma children can experience after reunification of their families saying quote many of the children released to their parents are Exhibiting Signs<\/a> of anxiety,\rintroversion, regression, and other Mental Health<\/a> issues. One mother tells the paper that the change in her 5yearold son is particularly concerning. He quote loved playing with the yellow impish minion characters from the movies. Now his favorite game is patting down and shackling migrants with plastic cuffs. It was pointed out the impact on children should not have been a surprise to anyone. One Public Health<\/a> official testified the Trump Administration<\/a> had been warned long before the policy was put in place. During the deliberative process over the previous year, we raised a number of concerns in the or program about any policy which would result in Family Separation<\/a>. Theres no question that separation of children from parents entails significant potential for traumatic psychological injury to the child. That official says he was assured by the government that Family Separation<\/a> would not be implemented. With more than 700 Migrant Children<\/a> still considered ineligible for family reunification, illinois democratic senator dick durbin wants someone held responsible. I am today calling on the architect of this humanitarian Disaster Department<\/a> of Homeland Security<\/a> secretary Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> to step down. The Family Separation Policy<\/a> is more than a bureaucratic lapse in judgment. It is and was a cruel policy inconsistent with the bedrock values of this nation. Someone, someone in this administration has to accept responsibility. Dick durbin calling for the resignation of the boss at Homeland Security<\/a>. Another break for us. Coming up, the Trump Administration<\/a> moves on to the cars we drive and the air we breathe and an argument some folks found hard to believe when we continue. Thath that cars produce over the years, is actually for your own good. Because, the argument goes, people would drive more and be exposed to increased risk if their cars get better gas mileage. The Draft Document<\/a> says people will drive less if their vehicles get fewer miles per gallon, lowering the risk of crashes. The amount of p. , in typical solid a. P. Style plainly begins its second paragraph this way, Transportation Experts<\/a> dispute the arguments. This is in general part of the Trump Administration<\/a> goal to reduce regulations and be pro Business Community<\/a> wherever possible, especially if its an obama era regulation. Indeed in this case, Tough New Fuel Standards<\/a> were put in in the latter part of the obama administration. If you know cars, then you know that since the 60s, theres been something called california emissions. Its part of the clean air act. Its designed to cut down on the unique type of smog that once plagued california. It means the cars sold in california are different, they burn cleaner. And the fuel sold in california is different. It burns cleaner. Thats been the way it is for almost half a century. The Trump Administration<\/a> wants to challenge the ability of california, home to 40 million americans to enforce its own emission standards. About a dozen other states follow californias rules. And we will follow this story as it moves on down the road. That is our broadcast. However, on a tuesday night, thank you so very much for being here with us. Good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Tonight on all in. I am working with the whole team as well. Time for Paul Manafort<\/a>. 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