Transcripts For MSNBCW The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 201

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williams" starts now. the president calls omarosa a dog, perhaps because she could now be a danger to this presidency. and the spokesman said she couldn't guarantee that we wouldn't hear the president using the "n" word. that trump knew about clinton's e-mails before wikileaks put them out. while on the mueller front, when will the deliberations begin? if it's tuesday, it must be primary night again. indeed it is. steve kornacki has the live results a the big board as the "the 11th hour" gets under way on a tuesday night. good evening once again. day 572 this was of the trump administration, which is now facing the very real possibility that the real threat to the president may be one omarosa manigault newman. dropping another tape this morning and making another round of appearances related to her book. there is no reason to believe she won't drop a new recording each day for some time to come. in fact, annie karni of politico is reporting exactly that fear from the west wing tonight. quote, people are terrified. one former trump aid said of the tapes, absolutely terrified. today's surreptitious recording du jour appears to capture her and two other campaign aides in october 2016, discussing a rumored audio recording of trump using the "n" word on the set of "the apprentice." those campaign advisers have offered a series of denials and explanations surrounding the circumstance of that conversation. omarosa offered her own explanation about why she needed to go public with this latest recording. >> i wanted to have this type of documentation to show that in the event i found myself in this position where, as you said, they're questioning my credibility, saying they never discussed the "n" word tape, never heard these accusations, the president had never heard these accusations when in fact this tape proves that they discussed it at high levels of the trump campaign. >> as you no doubt have already heard and seen, the president responded to her latest revelations with this, and we quote, when you give a crazed crying low life a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just didn't work out. good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog. after the president called a former white house aide a dog, questions about his choice of words and the president's attitudes about race dominated today's white house briefing, as you might imagine. press secretary saernrah sander was forced to explain what her boss might have meant. >> this person has shown a complete lack of integrity. this has absolutely nothing to do with race. >> can you stand the podium and guarantee the american people will never hear donald trump iter the "n" word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything, but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you that i've never heard it. >> kristen welker had a particularly strong day at today's briefings. there were other omarosa related bombshells today. this one involves robert mueller and the ongoing russia investigation. earlier on this network, omarosa stoke to katy tur about her interaction was mueller's team. >> let's talk about something you talked to chris matthews about last night, the mueller investigation. have you been interviewed by the special counsel? >> i have. >> you have. and what sort of questions where they asking you? >> that's the extent i can go in discussing that as well. >> have you sat for a grand jury? >> i'm not going to be able to comment than. >> you did say you might have more tapes robert mueller would be interested in. what sort of tapes would he be interested in? >> if he calls me i certainly will participate with anything that he needs, i'll provide him with what he needs. but that's the extent i can talk about. >> there was also this. omarosa alleged donald trump had advance knowledge of the hacked e-mails from hillary clinton's campaign. >> you were instructed according to your book to bring up the e-mails at every point you could at the end of the 2016. hillary clinton's e-mail. >> yes, that was our talker. >> did donald trump know about those e-mails before they came out? >> absolutely. >> he knew about them? >> yes. >> he knew what was copping out before wikileaks release them. you're saying donald trump had a back channel. >> i didn't say that. you did. expose the corruption that went on in the campaign and the white house. i'm going to continue to blow the whistle on all of that. >> gets your attention. just few hours ago, the president's lawyer rudy giuliani responded to omarosa's claim about those clinton e-mails. >> i know she is lying because i was on the campaign more than she was. i was closer to him than she was. i was from about june to november, i was with him 24 hours a day. it's not in a book, i guarantee you she didn't tell the special prosecutor that. >> on that note let's bring in our lead-off panel. former congresswoman donna edwards, a democrat from the great state of maryland. philip rucker for "the washington post." and jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. phil, i would like to begin with you. you have written and reported that people are rattled inside the west wing and elsewhere. let's put hit the way. every senior and for that matter junior white house aide current and former will go to bed tonight not knowing if they will hear their voice on tomorrow's released surreptitious recording. >> that's right, brian. the only way they would go to bed without that worry is if they know they never had any conversation with omarosa. she's made clear now that she recorded many of her conversations in the west wing. senior officials in the building do not know what she may or may not have in her recordings or when she plans to put them out. it's one of the reasons why you've seen the president so clearly rattled if you look at his tweets over the last few days. there has been -- there was an effort, a strategy in the white house to try to basically deprive omarosa any attention, to keep the president tweeting, to keep engage ogg then book tour. they knew the book tour was coming, but they didn't want the do anything that would breathe life into their allegations or promote the book sales or what have you. but clearly, the president could not restrain himself, and he has been tweeting for several days now and escalating his attacks on herment. >> and phil, i want to remind you that, of course, you and ashley parker have put out a piece of journalism about this relationship tonight, where you say now like in the film series "jurassic park," where the dinosaurs turn on the scientists who helped create them, manigault newman has unleashed trump's own tricks and tactics on him. consider what we've already been discussing here tonight, the motion of teasing out parts of the story, continuing in interviews to say what you have, what's going to happen, and what you're going to do to this person. >> that's exactly right. these are trump tactics. and it's important to point out that she was not only a white house staffer and contestant on "the apprentice," but she was very much a protege. she has been sort of trained by trump for more than a decade in reality television, in creating drama, in building sort of personal narrative and brand and becoming a captivating figure in the popular culture. she is known by one name, omarosa, like madonna or prince. and that to trump makes her magnetic. but it also -- she know house to play this game. she knows how to manipulate the media. she know house to create suspense around her book and about what tapes are going to come out next. it's one reason the president doesn't know what's around the corner. >> so a lot of people have come away from her introduce on television for the last two days and hear her point about if i hadn't recorded all this stuff, i would be publicly destroyed. and people in this day and age, this trump era kind of say, okay, that makes sense. and further, there is a conversation going on about her credibility, but that's kind of neutered by the fact that she has tapes. >> well, and her credibility is being challenged by people who don't have any credibility. i mean, why are we surprised that she has tapes? the president has been recorded by his own words to record people. his lawyer recorded him. why it is a surprise that omarosa in an effort to protect herself wouldn't record? and i think she is right when she says that nobody would believe her at all if she didn't have these receipts. she promised them, and every time she delivers them. just because somebody lies or exaggerates one time doesn't mean that occasionally they don't tell the truth. and we certainly know that with the president. he has been recorded to have lied over 7,000 times. but when he said that he fired james comey because of russia, we believe him. so occasionally some of these lies actually and liars actually do tell the truth. and i think here with omarosa, first of all, what the president said about her is just absolutely despicable. and he has this habit of calling women and particularly black women these names that are very disparaging and that are very racist. and i think it's time that we actually call the president out every single time that he does that. and the fact that sarah huckabee sanders can stand at the podium and say that she can't guarantee that he hadn't used the "n" word, well, i'm one of the black women who voted for hillary clinton. we know he used the "n" word and we don't need a tape to prove it. >> that was a certain moment in the modern presidency today. jonathan lemire, you write today for the associated press about kind of parachutes and parking spaces. parting payments and positions people can go into after they've fallen out of trump world. omarosa was destined for one such position. >> it's certainly not unusual there can be a blurring between an administration and say a campaign. what is striking about the trump white house is first of all, how freely these departures come. they've had more staff turnover in the first 18 months than any administration since records were kept on these kinds of things. moreover, when they leave, a number of outside affiliated groups support his agenda, the vice president's agenda, there is the outside group that steve bannon runs. that's where these people end up. it seems to be for two reasons. on one, you reward a staffer who, like many in the trump white house, have had trouble finding that lucrative work that west wing aides usually find without much trouble after leaving the administration. but secondly, this idea of keep your friends close but your enemies closer. and there is a sense for a number of these people leaving the white house who the president and those closest to him are nervous about, you bring them on, you pay them exorbitantly, you sort of buy their silence. and that was the idea here with omarosa, that she was going get $15,000 a month to remain quiet. she obviously decided not to do that. and our reporting backs up everything phil has said. has really unnerved a lot of people in the white house. remember, donald trump's, the cardinal sin in his world is disloyalty. he feels like he made her. that she is a star because he put her on his show and she became this sort of in some ways cartoon villain. that cartoon villain has now struck back, and the white house is scrambling as to how to respond. >> keith schiller and former nypd cop, long-time trump aide. many people regard as keeper of the secrets turned director of oval office operations which was never a thing heretofore, he is down in florida making that monthly retainer, attached vaguely to the campaign to re-elect. >> and he is making the same $15,000. and part of that job, it's affiliated with the rnc, is to provide security for the republican national convention in 2020. so not a bad gig if you can get it right now. >> phil rucker, the business part of what omarosa manigault newman said today, where she's really now has to put up because it's an existential threat it would seem to me to the presidency is this advance, this notion of advanced knowledge. >> yeah. >> on the part of the president of the e-mails prior to the wikileaks release. talk about the consequences here. >> well, the consequences could potentially be great. i was really pretty flabbergasted when she said that in the interview with katy tur this afternoon, and i think katy was surprised as well. we've not heard anybody in trump's orbit make that charge or make that disclosure that the president knew about these emays before they came out from wikileaks. if he did know about them, it would indicate some sort of conspiracy. and, of course, he's been denying for months, for more than a year frankly that there has been no collusion, that he had nothing to do with russia, that he didn't know about this stuff. i don't know where omarosa manigault newman came up with that. i don't know if she was sort of saying it in a moment, in an interview and didn't fully sort of understand what it was she is revealing. she did not get into detail in the interview. she also has not subsequently provided any evidence to back up her claim. but if she is correct, it could be a really big legal problem for the president. >> hey, congresswoman, even though you're a lawyer yourself, please engage in rampant speculation. if she does are the goods and can prove advanced knowledge of the e-mails coming out, that would be, it seems to me at minimum collusion, and at most, ball game. correct? >> i think so. the fact is that she has already been before the special counsel, it seems likely that she's going to get called back, i would think. and provide whatever else she has. and so i think you're right. this is one of these notions when i heard that today, my mouth was open because that is the whole ball game right there. and so now she's in a position where she really does have to put up. >> jonathan lemire, there is a theory that started floating around yesterday, today. it was -- it was the thing to say that maybe manafort could bring down the house. maybe it could be gates or flynn. maybe it was going to be michael cohen of new york. but in the last 24 to 48 hours, i've heard serious people say this is the woman who could burn down the house. >> well, there are certainly a number of contenders, as you just listed. to this point the president remains standing in his house around him. but yes, there is something perhaps uniquely dangerous to this west wing that omarosa can provide. she was there every day. we do not know how many recordings she has. >> apparently had her iphone with her the whole time. >> we know she made a recording in the situation room. there are not like things were offlimits to her in her estimation. she is saying she was trying to protect herself. the way she repeatedly used that interview, the idea with katy, whistle-blower, blowing the whistle and perhaps signaling where she wants to go with this down the road. and there are people in there who are very worried about what kind of conversations she has captured on tape. and we know of at least one with the president. there could be more. we don't know what he is going to say. there are certainly explosive allegations that he used the "n" word and such. and that this is something they did not have game planned for. like phil said, they originally wanted to ignore it. instead, the president who can't never resist a slight has fought back and fought back hard. and that is just snowballing. and there is no sense when it's going to stop. >> we're going to have to do something a little unusual. all of our guests have agreed to stay with us over the break. we will take a break, and when we come back, she says she has already talked with mueller's at least once. did you neat? what else does omarosa have that might be of interest to the special counsel? later on tonight, the president reached back to an old insult today. we'll talk about the impact of one of his go-to putdowns. "the 11th hour" just getting started as we look at the west wing on a tuesday night. this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah huckabee stands in front of the country and lies every day. >> do you think the president lies often? >> absolutely, they prep him to lie every day. in trump world, everyone lies. they have a problem with the truth. >> omarosa's remarks about trump's white house and the truth may come into play in regard to this russia investigation and specifically obstruction of justice or collusion. rudy giuliani said definitively tonight as we watched, in the case of trump versus comey he said-he said, trump is ready to wear under oath that he never asked comey to cut flynn a break of any kind. >> i'm telling you he didn't say it. jay and i have said to the president, if you said it it would be easier on us so that we could defend it. you just said go easy on him. you didn't say tank the case, get rid of the case. you could have ordered him to do it. could have done a lot of things. >> and the president has said to you i never said any word to him ever about flynn ever, in that context? >> yes, yeah, pretty much. that's pretty close. >> pretty much, pretty close. still with us donna edwards, philip rucker, jonathan lemire. welcome back, gang. mr. rucker, this issue of the relationship to the truth, of course, goes to the heart of the investigation they are trying to stave off, and i want to run for you a bit more of on how worried they are. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> how worried are folks or the white house, staffers about this investigation, the mueller investigation? >> they should be very worried. >> are they worried? >> absolutely. because they have been hiding things. hiding things from the american people. and being very dishonest. >> the staffers have been hiding things? >> absolutely. >> like what? >> i can't go into it. >> phil rucker, how worried are they going to be upon hearing her say how worried they are and should be? >> well, first of all, brian, i wish she went into it a little bit there. >> we all did. >> told us some examples. look, i think they're worried potentially about what she could say. but it's important to keep in mind she's been gone from the white house since december of last year. and she also, while she was on the senior staff and in some of the senior staff meetings and had her own personal relationship with president trump, she was not in a lot of the sort of crisis meetings that the white house counsel don mcgahn would have with the chief of staff or with hope hicks, the communications director or with sarah sanders, the press secretary. she was doing other work a lot of time. she might have not have been privy necessarily to the most sensitive discussions or those representing to the management of the russia investigation and how to spin that. >> jonathan lemire, you were among the journalists and they could fit comfortably in a 747 who regularly talk rudolph giuliani. and you just watched that exchange with chris cuomo. does any of it matter? the target is moving almost on a daily basis. we had a former federal special prosecutor here in your chair last night who said it's all noise. there's the mueller investigation and everything important, and there is whatever they want to say on the other side. >> right. this is a unique brand of lawyering for rudy giuliani. he is trying to shape congress's opinion of whatever report mueller is going to come out with. he is going to move the goalpost, change objectives, sort of play to the cable television networks and sort of influence how people think about mueller. and we have seen at least some slippage in the poll numbers of people who believe that mueller's doing a good job and that he is impartial. he is not trying this case in the courtroom. that's never been his task. he is someone the president has sent throughout to mix it up on television, to get his message out there and to muddy the waters. and that's what he is doing. it changes on a daily basis. this is a new scenario here. it defies the versions we've heard time and time again, but to them it doesn't matter. it is just noise and they're happy to put out the noise. >> congresswoman, if you don't count my failed for president, you've been on the ballot with any regularity. i want to show you some polling numbers. these are new from our friends at cnn tonight. this is how is mueller handling the investigation is the first category. 47%, 39% above water approve if you're rooting for the mueller team. has donald trump attempted to interfere with the investigation by a more robust number, it's above water, 56, 38. congresswoman, what do you make of these polls as someone whose job used to depend at least a lull bit on them? >> well, i take those numbers any day. i think what's happening here is we're all on the outside speculating, looking at some of the documents we've seen and trying to piece it together. mueller has the whole picture, and we are going to see that. and i think that's why i've been really content even, you know, as somebody who travels in the world of politics of saying you know what, let's let that investigation play out. out in these districts where people are running for office they don't have to talk about bob mueller all day, every day. he's going to do his work. and i think that's why i think from a political standpoint for democrats it's particularly important interest them to just focus on their districts and on the work at hand and allow the investigation to proceed. and where somebody like an omarosa comes in is that she throws a monkey wrench in all of the public discussion about this, but mueller is holder the cards. >> phil, last question, last word to you also calls for rampant speculation which i know you love. rudy did say on cnn tonight he thinks the reason the mueller team hasn't gotten back to the trump team is they're waiting to see the verdict in manafort. do you believe that? >> i don't know. potentially. i mean, look, there's actually a question about whether this negotiation over an interview by the president is going to continue as it had with the sort of letters back and forth or whether there'll actually be a subpoena, whether robert mueller actually goes forward and subpoenas the president to appear before him. and that's the big question mark at this hour. whether that delay is because of the manafort trial, i have no idea. clearly part of the mueller special counsel team is focused on that trial because they're prosecuting manafort. but i think the people focused on that are different than the people dealing with the inquiry into the president. >> much obliged tonight. for an extended and terrific conversation. fellowship rucker, donna edwards and jonathan lemire. thank you all very much. and coming up about that manafort trial, lawyers preparing now for closing arguments after the defense calls it quits after calling no witnesses. what we'll be looking for tomorrow, what happened in that courtroom today when we come back. the nature of a virus is to change. move. mutate. today, life-changing technology from abbott is helping hunt them down at their source. because the faster we can identify new viruses, the faster we can get to stopping them. the most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. life. to the fullest. mr. manafort just rested his case, and he did so because he and his legal team believe that the government has not met its burden of proof. thanks, everyone. >> that was it. paul manafort's lawyer today summing up his team's decision to rest its case without calling any witnesses, that would include manafort himself. the president's former campaign chairman did speak for the first time in court only to affirm to the judge he did not wish to take the stand. manafort as you know has pleaded guilty to 18 counts of tax and bank fraud. while unrelated to election interference, manafort's prosecution is the first to come from the mueller's effort. the day's proceeding started after yet another hours long delay. we don't know exactly what the reason was, but we do know the judge spoke to the jury in private. during the hearing the details of which have been sealed. with us for more tonight josh gerstein, who was inside the courtroom for today's proceedings. he happens to be senior white house reporter for politico. and we welcome to the forecast, arianna berg, a former assistant attorney here in the southern district of new york. good evening to you both, and josh, i'd like to begin with you, josh. our eyes and ears, and i know you're looking forward to the end of this because the days are long. what was it like in there today? what do you believe this matter is they continue to work on and be preoccupied with? and if i can go three parts, what's your prediction and looking for tomorrow? >> when you say in there, we weren't really in there for most of the morning. and this was the third day in a row there was some significant sealed proceeding in the courtroom handling the manafort trial, monday, tuesday. some of those proceedings taking place in the judge's chamber, some of them apparently taking place in the jury room or involving a meeting with the jury. the reporters and others who had come to watch the trial were left in the hallway for would be the hours ago, another extended delay in the session beginning. we do know at least today they were discussing a defense motion of some sort that is under seal. many of us suspect it has something to do with the jury and maybe the defense trying to preserve some objection to the way the judge has handled the matter related to the jury. that's the best we can figure out on that account. in terms of what may be coming up, i mean we're looking at closing arguments 9:30 tomorrow morning on nearly two hours on each side. it's interesting the defense's decision not to put on any evidence or witnesses. what that may be about their closing statement. it could mean they're looking more at sort of a 30,000 foot argument trying to pin the blame for all this alleged wrongdoing on rick gates. it seems if they really wanted to get down in the weeds on all many of these accounts, they would have put forward some expert or some witness who could argue, say, for example on the tax charge, there are some technical arguments. i don't know if they're going to be able to make those arguments now on the other side of the table. >> counselor, let's go out to you in los angeles. i get the idea of not putting manafort on in his own defense because then of course the prosecution gets to come at him, and he's got all kinds of vulnerable exposures that could erase the work they did during the trial. but let me ask you this. what is the defense strategy likely to be during closing statements tomorrow, and do you make it all about the star witnessed who flipped, mr. gates? >> well, they certainly opened on that. they said that during opening that rick gates, the cooperating witness and the long time associate of paul manafort, that he was a liar and was in fact the primary architect of the fraud schemes. that is what they opened on and certainly tried to establish over cross-examination of gates. i think as what kevin said outside the courthouse today really what they're trying to do over closing arguments is really try to pick apart the government's case. systematically going through each and every one of the counts and showing that the government has failed to sustain their burden of proof. >> and josh, where do we leave the relationship between this judge, this very unique judge appointed by president ronald reagan, and the prosecutors? >> strained is how we leave it. and it seems both sides were allowing their emotions to be seen more publicly today or at least their feelings of each other as the trial came to a close. a lot of the proceedings today almost everything outside the presence of the jury except for a very brief moment really where manafort's lawyer confirmed that they would not put on any evidence, and did that in front of the jury. even today the lead prosecutor on this case, greg andres and the judge went back and forth once again about comments the prosecution thinks the judge made that they believe may have undercut their case. and the judge actually sort of mocked the prosecution saying, oh, that really hurt the government in a sarcastic tone about one of the statements he made, which seemed to go directly to the heart of rick gates' credibility. the two sides here, the prosecution and the judge, not the prosecution and the defense, not really seeing eye to eye on those discussions, even at this late stage. >> and arianna, let's close with me bringing you into the line of work you know best, and that is the prosecution. what is your kind of 30 to 40-second version of how they can close the strongest tomorrow? >> this is really the prosecution's chance to bring to life all of the documents that they brought into evidence. at its heart this is document intensive case. it involved tax filings. it involved bank loan applications, and so this is the chance -- it's been somewhat dry, i would say with all of these documents submitted into evidence and expert witnesses. and so this is the chance for the prosecution to bring to life all of these documents and show that paul manafort was an essential part of all of these schemes. he knew what he was doing and fully intended to defraud these institutions. >> our repeated thanks to josh gerstein after long days for joining us. i know you need to get book is the courtroom scant hours from now. >> thank you. >> and another thank you to arianna berg out in los angeles. really appreciate it. coming up, four more states went to the polls today. steve kornacki back at the big board this being tuesday night with a primary roundup when we continue. 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cliff-hanger we have an answer. jeff colyer the incumbent republican governor of kansas has now conceded the gop primary to the kansas secretary of state and trump ally kris kobach. he announced his decision after a review of provisional ballot, unable to overcome a 110 vote deficit. kobach will face the democrat laura kelly in the midterm election, 84 days from now. meanwhile we're watching the latest results come in on this primary night and selected states across the country. voters in vermont, connecticut, minnesota, wisconsin all headed to the polls today. here to break it down our man steve kornacki, national political correspondent at the big board. steve, take us from a tour from prairie home to new england. >> it's interesting. the stage setting for november, a lot of that tonight. but also a surprise tonight at least one big one in the results. and let me start with that. it's in the state of minnesota. it's a name we all remember, tim pawlenty. he was the two-term governor of minnesota. he ran for president on the republican side in 2012. that didn't work out. he decided to make a return but in minnesota in republican primary tonight. but he is going down to defeat. this the big surprise of the night, jeff johnson. he tried to get to sort of pawlenty right in this primary. johnson had been the candidate for governor in minnesota four years ago. in 2014 he lost by six points. he ran again. looks like he's going to knock off tim pawlenty. an interesting dynamic in this race that i think says a lot about the state of the republican party in the trump era. back in 2016 when donald trump came on the scene neither of these men seemed to be much a fan of him. pawlenty called him unhingd. jeff johnson said something i don't think i could repeat here. they had a debate. they both debated over who meant that less. so they certainly changed their tune on that. it looks like johnson will be the republican nominee. who will he face-off in minnesota? this an interesting development as well. tim walz, democratic congressman from the southern part of the state looks like he's going to get through this primary. walz the thought had been maybe a little too conservative on some. >> especially guns. he represents a district with a lot of rural areas in the southern part of state. also something we'd been seeing in democratic primaries around the country this year. female candidates had been doing really well in democratic primaries. you add up the vote for the two leading female candidates here, you're over 50%. but maybe it was a little split up here. it looks like it will be tim walz, jeff johnson in that gubernatorial race, not tim pawlenty, as people were expecting. the other headline race for minnesota is the race for attorney general. keith ellison, he got hit with those last-minute accusations of domestic violence. now, he's going to win this primary and win it comfortably. there was also a lot of early voting. he probably benefitted from that. this is very comfortable margin, but this is situation with that domestic violence accusation, this is big what-if hanging over this race in the fall. what if we find out more? what if there is more to this story? the dnc said late this afternoon they are looking into the allegations against him. so maybe to be continued on that front. but keith ellison right now will go into the general election as the nominee in minnesota for the democratic party. quickly, in wisconsin, a senate race here. tammy baldwin one of those democrats trying to defend a seat in a state that donald trump won. who will she face? she will face leah vukmar who won, former chairman of the college democrats 15 or 20 years ago, trying to win this primary tonight. the polling has baldwin ahead in this race by double-digits against either one. finally we will finish up this in the first district. this is paul ryan's district. paul ryan not running for reelection. randy bryce, he raised a fortune last year with a viral video going after paul ryan. he had some last-minute revelations of a previous arrest for dui, a couple of other offenses healthcheck will survive. he is he has shown he can raise money in the first district of wisconsin. not out of reach for a democrat, especially if the climate is with what democrats are hoping it ends up being. >> and no shocker bernie sanders won his primary in new york. he won it and will now renounce and run as an independent. >> steve kornacki, fascinating stuff tonight. fascinating as always. coming up, an old classic from the president's vocabulary came roaring back today. we'll be joined by a journalist who says no one should be surprised, not for a minute. more on that when we come back. the nature of a virus is to change. move. mutate. today, life-changing technology from abbott is helping hunt them down at their source. because the faster we can identify new viruses, the faster we can get to stopping them. the most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. life. to the fullest. the president has made something of an industry out of his use of nicknames. there are a lot of things that are biting, personal, most of them juvenile, many of them stick. think of the public officials who have put in decades of public service only to wear a nickname like little or low energy or crooked for the rest of their lives. and there's something else at work here as phil rucker of "the washington post" points out tonight, the president's decision to call omarosa a dog is not new or very surprising. his article is entitled in part, "trump has a long history of using canine insults to dehumanize enemies," which led us to this brief reminder. >> we have a dirty dog like that who's no good, who's a failure. they were fired like dogs. you've got rubio doing poorly and he sweats like a dog. i'm watching marco sweat like a dog. >> now romney choked. he choked like a dog. >> was choking like a dog. >> choke like a dog. >> mitt romney couldn't run for dogcatcher. >> hillary clinton couldn't be elected dogcatcher. >> i'm watching television, and i see her barking like a dog. she is barking like a dog. >> what was that? is that a dog? >> phil rucker has nicely agreed to stick around this late to talk to us about this topic. phil, we just hope none november o no one in the dog community is watching. does this president physically not like dogs? >> that's right, brian. he is actually the first president in more than 100 years who has not had a dog as a pet in the white house. he lived with a dog before when he first got married to his first wife ivana. she brought a poodle. he resisted the dog. he didn't want anything to have to do. she said chappie is coming along. any time trump would come near he would come near ivana's closet, chappie would bark at hi. >> we launched an extensive web search that took us at least a few minutes and we could only find one photo, ex-importatant. this is the best in show at the westminster show a couple years back in trump's now famous office in trump tower. let's call that a mutual admiration society. the fact is he has been a germophobe for a lot of his life there was a period of time people here in new york remember when he did not bring himself to shake hands when he met people. so maybe this is all of a piece. i don't know. >> well, clearly he's not comfortable living with animals in the house. he doesn't have any pets. and he uses "dog" as if it's some sort of negative thing. in american culture, a lot of americans love dogs. they're loyal. they love you back. a lot of people have dogs as pets. in other cultures, in the middle east, dogs are seen as dirty. so it's more effective attack line. but trump clearly doesn't seem to care much for dogs as animals in the house. >> full disclosure, dogs are easily 80% of our family text thread. and i have to read you a quote. there is a great quote about the poefts presidents called first dogs, co-authored by brook janice and the great roy rowan. and brook janice says this. this is a president who needs a friend. having a dog offers unconditional love and that is something that this president desires so deeply conditioned can't seem to find. our friend phil rucker had the good sense of quoting the co-author in hiss piece tonight. but i guess he will continue to use it as kind of the ultimate putdown. it was bracing for americans to read that word in relation to this woman we've come to know on television and who was until recently a white house aide. >> yeah. i think that's right, brian. and we've been making light a little bit of the president not wanting to have a dog in the house. but it's deadly serious what he does with that word, using it as an attack. he is dehumanizing his enemies. that's the goal there. and there there is a long history of augthoritarian leades who used these animal listic slurs to dehumanize individuals or groups of people. during the holocaust, the nazis would call jews rats. i interviewed a philosophy professor who explained this history and how it's become -- it's a very useful image for leaders to use to try to stir up resentments between us and them in a society. so there is a pattern here through history. i think donald trump is smart enough and strategic enough to know what he's doing by repeatedly using the dog, the imagery of a dog as a slur to attack his perceived political enemies. >> well, it's a word a lot of people woke up to this morning as used by the president. phil rucker, we cover a lot of stories in the course of a week, you and i. >> we sure do. >> and this is probably a first for both of us. thank you so much for sticking around to talk about it with us, though, tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, two important numbers in the news just today. they both refer to instances where the government failed the people. we'll have that story when we come right back. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current 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stories. neither of which will be judged by history as our proudest moment as a country. first number is 328. that's the number of days some people in puerto rico went without power since hurricane maria. 328 days until today when the last customer was put back online. we've said this before. while puerto ricans are american citizens, it's difficult to imagine storm victims in miami or miami beach or nantucket living in the dark without power to their homes for 328 days. our second number is 559. that's the number of children who remain separated from their families as a result of the administration's so-called zero tolerance policy. there's a smaller number, five, and that represents the number of children the government has been unable to connect at all to any known parents. five children in this country tonight unattached to their past, their prior home, or the people who might have brought them here. we should emphasize a federal judge has been driving this process to try to fix this. a good many people are working so hard to that end, including some top flight lawyers who have donated their time and efforts to attend court proceedings and represent all those children and parents who need their help. on that note, that is our >> tonight on all in. >> i am going to expose the corruption. continue to blow the whistle on all of this. >> more allegations from omarosa and desperate reaction from trump world. >> i can't guarantee anything. >> tonight, separating out the truth whenever one appears to be lying.

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