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MSNBCW The Daily Rundown August 19, 2014

Chaos. I urge the protesters to come out and demonstrate in the Daylight Hours where your voices can be heard. Trying to calm the chaos. That was state Highway Patrol captain ron johnson a few hours ago, after some of the most intense clashes yesterday here in ferguson. Good morning from ferguson, missouri. It is tuesday, august 19th, 2014. This is the daily rundown. Im craig melvin in for chuck todd. Its been ten days since a Police Officer shot and killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown. Two people were shot last night, another 31 were arrested. Police say a criminal element, a criminal element from out of town set two fires, threw rocks, threw bottles and molotov cocktails. Officers returned fire with tear gas and smoke bombs as well. The National Guard, as you know, now backing up local officers. But the guard cannot make arrests. And while the daytime protests have been mostly peaceful, by and large, things continue to turn violent at night. If you are not credentialed media, you will be subject to arrest. Disperse now. You will be subject to arrest. They shot everybody. They shot everybody. Theyre shooting at eyes all red. Church ladies. Its crazy. Protesters. You want to make sure it gets inside of your eyes. Once again, not a single bullet fired by officers, despite coming under heavy attack. President obama is sending attorney general eric holder to ferguson, missouri, tomorrow to get an update on the investigation. A private autopsy found that Michael Brown was shot six time Business Officer Darren Wilson. Some protesters are demanding wilson be charged with the shooting. Prosecutors told nbc news it may take months to decide whether to charge the officer. Browns parents telling the today show this morning they want justice. Justice will bring peace, i believe. Only if that justice results in the arrest or charges being filed against officer wilson, is that what its going to take . Yes. Him being arrested. Charges being filed and a prosecution, him being held accountable for what he did. Nbc news correspondent ron allen has been in this st. Louis suburb since last weekend when these protesters started. Ron, good morning to you. Good morning, craig. Whats the latest there from the command center . Well, the National Guard are here, digging in. Theyll be here for a while, it looks like. And, as you pointed out, their main mission is not to necessarily go out into the street. Their main mission at the moment is command control, command security, i should say, command Headquarters Security right here. The main thing is that the Security Forces dont want this militarized look out there in the street because they know that that raises the level of intensity with the protesters. Of course, the National Guard is here, though. And if problems get to that level and they need this sort of power, this sort of security, this sort of force to go out there and keep the calm. The problem, though, is that again the pattern keeps repeating itself every night. And its early in the night just a couple of hours after dark. The gunfire, the confrontation, the molotov cocktails, the bottles, rocks, all this starts to come out. And thats why it seems now the authorities are really starting to focus on intelligence gathering to the extent that they can, trying to find what they describe as a small group of criminal agitators, element, whatever you want to call it. They think its a very small, identifiable number of people who are behind the violence. All this violence seems crazy. But the police are really working hard and trying to make sense of it in terms of identifying people. Thats one reason, perhaps, why they arrested so many people last night, 30 or so. It gives them names, addresses, phone numbers and more information as they try to trace down the roots of this problem. Craig . Ron allen for us. Less than a mile way here in ferguson. Ron, thank you. Citing a dangerous dynamic at night. Missouri patrol captain ron johnson urging protesters today to gather during the day, to gather during the sunlight rather than after dark. Captain johnson joins me live now on a few hours of sleep. How realistic an expectation is that, captain, for these protesters that have been out largely in large numbers at night to come out during the daylight . Our Peaceful Protesters will look at that and a lot of them will do that. They dont want to be part of this. Last night we saw where they were being peaceful, they were put in danger by that element of criminals that seems to get into their crowd. Who are these criminals . This element that youre talking about, this element that you talked about last night, who are these people that the police claim are agitating not just the police but the Peaceful Protesters as well . The criminals that are looting our stores that three nights ago put bricks along the roadway. These are the criminals that were shooting at Police Last Night behind bushes and buildings. Shooting shooting at the police. Our officers were under gunfire last night down here at canfield and west morrison. Did the officers return fire . No, they did not. They were hiding behind bushes near homes. Officers didnt want to take the risk of not firing into a home or stray bullet. They used great restraint in that. At this point, any information on injuries last night . We know there were more than 30 arrests. Any officers injured . Any protesters injured to your knowledge . We had four officers injure friday st. Louis county Police Department with minor injuries. We had no protesters injured as a result of any of our activity. We did have two subject to shot by guns within by the groups that were here. Was lifting the curfew a mistake . No, i dont believe so. Is the curfew going to remain lifted today . Thus far, as we speak now, there is no curfew. But it sounds like there is a chance that you guys could decide to institute a curfew once again . There has been no conversation about that. Okay. Curfew lifted. National guard was brought in. At this point, neither of those things seemed to have worked. Whats next . What do we try next . The National Guard was brought in to secure the command post and also the safety of those business up there. We do have an Operational Plan that were looking at thats always flowing with changes based on circumstances and well do the same thing today. One of the things you said last night is that you thought that perhaps the media, that journalists had exacerbated the problem. What did you mean by that . We had a number of journalists. And not all. I want to say that now. The journalists have been on our side. They have been our partners and reporting. Get home each morning. I look at the news and i am really grateful to the media for what theyve done. We have a lot of media that have not done a great job. Last night, when crowds were walking and small groups and it got large and they were just walking. And then when a certain element, that criminal element that got out here with masks on, who wanted to acknowledge at a time, would stop in front of the media. The media would swarm around them, give them a platform and glamorize their activity. Before we knew it, the crowd was 100. Now its 200. Now its 300. And now those criminals began to start throwing things on to the crowd that was standing within the media. You say glamorize. I can tell you, having spent some time on this main thoroughfare, it has been difficult sometimes to tell the difference between the protesters and the criminals. How are journalists supposed to be able to make that distinction . If i come with my face covered, handkerchief around my face and all im talking about is violence and the words i use are violent, we all know what those are. Those are not the Peaceful Protesters . No, theyre not. Why have you been allowing a number of those folks to wear those masks . Thats their freedom. Its freedom of speech, freedom of dress and im sure we would be standing here talking about Something Else if you say, wait a minute, how can you make people take a scarf from around their face . How can you make somebody take a tshirt that they have walked around their face . What says they cant walk these streets if they dont show you their full face . Im sure we would be talking about that. We heard from the parents this morning, who have indicated that justice for them is going to be the charging of the officer. Is that what it is going to take . Is it going to take some sort of punishment for the officer involved in this shooting . Is it going to take some sort of punishment for these streets to clear, for the protests to stop, for the riots to stop, for the tear gas to stop . These are two different issues. What mike browns parents need is an issue, and they told us what that is. A number of protesters have said the same thing. Ive asked a number of folks, whats it going to take to stop this . They said some sort of punishment for the officer. As we know and i heard, just like everyone else, from the court system and the courts and the das office. That is not going to happen tomorrow. So thats not going to happen tomorrow. It may be weeks. It may be months. We have to bring calm to our community. Our kids cannot stay in their bed for months and not go to school. Our officers cant come out here for months and put their lives in danger. Peaceful protesters cant come out here for months and put their lives in danger. These homeowners cannot be uncomfortable sleeping in their homes wos s wondering if a stra bullet is going to come into their home. We have to let our legal system work itself out. Thats what makes our country great. We have to see what the outcome is. Weve got to weve had our voice and weve got to bring calm to this situation. Were going to do that. How . Whats different today . Weve got a different Operational Plan. Today, my hope is that Peaceful Protesters were stay home protest during the daytime and stay home at night and let us take those that have been ruining our community and take them and deal with them in a way that brings calm to this community. How many of those folks who you say these agitators, how many would you say are from out of town, out of the st. Louis area, out of ferguson . I dont have numbers. Okay. Many of them theres a balance. A lot of them are people that live here in this city. We see them walking. They may not live in ferguson but a lot of them live in st. Louis. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Thanks. Up next, in an unprecedented move, Amnesty International deploys a group of observers here in ferguson. First time ever within the united states. 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For the first time ever, that global group has dispatched a Human Rights Team on american soil. Theyre in ferguson to investigate potential human rights abuses against the protesters, abuses like tear gas and smoke bombs being used. Either one could violate international standards. Amnesty says monitoring the protests has been nearly impossible so far because police would not let them get close to any activity. Im joined now by the director of Amnesty International, steve hawkins. We spoke half a block away last night probably around 9 00 or 10 00. Right. What did you see last night . What did you guys hear last night . What we saw last night was certainly members of the community trying to keep the peace, but then we saw how the police dispersed, come a certain hour. Craig, even though the curfew was lifted, it was in place de facto. Police were clearly clearing everyone off the street by midnight and in some ways sort of forcing people on to the side streets. So, we also saw the use of tear gas. Smoke bombs. Smoke bombs. The use of the tear gas and smoke bombs here, in terms of International Norms, and i guess its a shame there are International Norms when there comes to these things. When it comes to International Norms, what has happened here in Ferguson Square with those International Norms . What brought us on the ground was to serve as human rights observers clearly because we saw some troubling signs that what was happening here in ferguson violated International Human rights standards. So, for example, the use of tear gas, lobbying of tear gas canister into a crowd from a distance where you have no idea of children in the crowd, elderly, who can both be succumb to tear gas and die if there isnt an opportunity to leave. That violates, clearly, international standards, protocols that amnesty has put out in the field in places like gaza and the west bank. Have you guys informed Law Enforcement that they are in violation of these standards and protocols . We have had conversations with Law Enforcement. Weve asked to be included more in discussions, to be part of the patrol when the curfew was in place. We were denied. And so we would hope that we could have more of a formal observer status than we have. How many observers do you have on the ground, by the way . We have ten here now and about another four coming. You plan to stay through the duration . We plan to stay for the duration. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Yeah. Still ahead here, grand jury investigation expected to start as soon as tomorrow. They will look at the legal case facing officer Darren Wilson. Also pressure mounting for governor jay nixon, members of his own party are calling for more action. Details next. As we head to break, a look at nellie, favorite son of st. Louis, stopped by ferguson late yesterday. The world is watching. My motheits delicious. 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His doubleheader day at the park starts with back pain. And a choice. Take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. Peanuts peanuts crowd cheers theyre not letting us go. Youre trying to go down this way . Trying to go down this way. Theyre blocking us. We cant get home. Then theyre telling us to go this way. And we dont want to get arrested. Were trying to leave, peacefully, but we cant. I can tell you that those two young protesters got out of the perimeter. They did manage to get out of here. I ran into them around 11 30 last night. They were trapped between two police lines. Im joined by another reporter who has been covering this story from the very beginning here. Amnesty International Breaking News Reporter with usa today. Always good to see you. Wish it was under better circumstances. Tell us what you saw last night and what folks were telling you as well. I saw a lot of chaos last night. I spent a lot of time with protesters down here and i saw people gett

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