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MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell September 17, 2017 00:00:00

An investigative and investigatory perspective how much they will be willing to explain what happened on their platform and how much they will try to hold on to as a trade secret. Facebook is not going to keep this same public profile they got for much longer. The old saying you cant be neutral on a social media, train platform, i dont know. I am ari melb ber, we have a professional story we are tracking, what bob mueller might have in his possession and how long agone the story is going. Why some conservatives tell President Trumps season of betrayal on the white house faceoff with espn, their socalled culture war. But first the Breaking News from st. Louis. This is the scene right there we want to show you tonight. Several hundred protesters are in the streets. They are protesting breaking news, an acquittal of a former st. Louis Police Officer who was on trial for murder for g kiting a black man after a car chase. Now, today, judge Timothy Wilson found that former st. Louis Police Officer Jason Stockily not guilty of the charges of first degree murder. The shooting heard in 2011, a man Anthony Lamar smith 24 years old, joining us from st. Louis with more is reporter casey nolan and our local nbc affiliate. Casey, tell us what you are seeing and the background you can provide. Well, what we are seeing is a bit of a pause an an active march. It covered at least five miles since 7 00 p. M. Central time t. Protest has been kind of ad hoc in different parts of the neighborhood. Kind of sporadic. They seem to coalesce. This is the Central West End neighborhood in the city of st. Louis. Locally people would tell you its a high end neighborhood, a lot of shops, restaurants, things of that nature t. Message here, a couple different hang on one second. A couple different chances, if i can rum size, up with was get out of the bars, get into the street. I think if i can over generalize, this is a particular kraud, the message to people in the bars, get out of the bars, get into the streets, early on, it was if are you going to kill our people, were going to kim your economy. So the idea oof being on a night a lot of people are out on the sidewalks, having dinner, business is going on, the idea you need the shut that down. We have an interstate not too far from here. Police blocked that off. There is a Large Police Presence there. Interstate 64 that runs through the heart of the city t. Crowds came back here. We havent seen much of a police presence, we kind of paused. Right. We got 500 people roughly, its hard to count. If anything, this crowd has gotten bigger in the 5 or so miles. Walk us through what has been such a big piece of evidence on the ground in st. Louis, because this is a case that hasnt gotten as much national attention, yet, there was strong evidence against the officer, apart from the shooting into the police cash, there was Audio Evidence the community was upset, showed the officer speaking about killing the person before they even engage some of the things we know have been on the minds of protesters. Walk us through that in the make e wake of as ive reported an acquittal, a judge finding a not guilty in this murder case. Reporter yeah, the thing that is captured on audeia was, were financial to kill him, were going to kill that [ bleep ] dont you know . And from there about 45 seconds later, Jason Stockily did kill him as he said. His Attorney Says he was in the heat of the moment. Were getting right now a bit of a reaction to us being here. This has been a crowd thats really not interested in talking to the press the main stream press if you will. So right now thats the reaction you hear as she chances, they react. But the audio was an issue,als, there was a gun in the car. The prosecutor said the guns were planted. They say they had dna everyday to prove it. The judge didnt buy it. It has been such a scene there in st. Louis. Thank you, i want to turn the page from that important story to another one. Two big developments in the ongoing russia query, today, a witness outside the bob mueller jury room. Tonight another Report Mueller got a grand jury related Search Warrant for facebook. Because i was discussing briefly with rachel. Lets start with this issue. Paul manaforts spokesman, he spend twoandahalf hours before the going, speaking presumably about something to do with his manofart work in relationship. President trumps former campaign share, now its subject in the bob looul mueller investigation. My name is jason malone. I was ordered to appear today before the going. I answered questions and i have been dismissed. What types of questions did they have . Thats all i have to say. Thats all he had to say, a Buzz Feed Reporting today on another secret meeting involving at subject in the same mueller probe. This is general Michael Flynn who is of course under investigation along with kushner, A Person Of Interest and steve bannon, all of them with a se dret meeting with the king of jordan in january, the same time general flynn was pushing a middle east Nuclear Power plant plan that would have ties to russia. Buzz feed reporting people close to the three trump advisers say the nuclear deal was not discussed with the king of jordan. A federal official with access to a document created by a Law Enforcement said the proposal known as the Marshall Plan was one of the topics the group talked about. Tonight the Wall Street Journal reporting that other news, facebook has given the mueller team even more information about these russian accounts that bought campaign ads on facebook, more than facebook gave to congress. Last week Facebook Told Congress about 500 russiantied accounts. This journal tells us something new. They gave them copies of the ad, the details and the targeting things they used and policy dictates it would only turn over quote stored content of messages and information in a location information in response to a Search Warrant. Lets unpack what could be going on. Im joined by one of the writers oevery that Wall Street Journal piece, de and jill weinbanks, former watergate prosecutor and ms nbc contributor. Jim, because of the search aspect, im going to you first, do you read this as something that potentially requires a Search Warrant. Walk us through why that matters. The Search Warrant matters because under facebook policy theyre limited to what they would do if response to a subpoena, whereas the Search Warrant will allow them to provide more information. Its also interesting the story about it being more information to mueller than to the congress and, of course, congress has an obligation to make sure our elections are fair and not interfered with. Its important they get as much information about what the russians did on facebook to interfere with our election. So at some point, they will also need that. But it may be more important that the Criminal Case go forward first. Right. And de, what have your sources tell you . Well, my sources are telling me that, you know, facebook has been getting a lot of demands for this information and with the itative provided it to mueller because he has more power, he has more ability the ability to actually issue a Search Warrant and have you an enormous amount of information that comes with that. You have the creative of the ad what the ad looked leak, who the ads were targeted to, all kind of other information that could really help us understand, you know, how effective these ads were. Yeah, for folks who arent a big tech gurus, facebook users, people know what you do see, thats the front end. A lot of this goes to the back end, right in the data, met that data, any information that might have identifying aspects to it. Based on your tech exper teerks deepa, do you think this is the kind of navigation can give mueller clues we wouldnt be able get from anyone other than facebook . Absolutely. Only facebook has copies of the ads, themselves him only they know who the buyers are and able to match that with the ad copy. That i have access to the reach of a particular ad. So they can tell how effective it was and who shared it and there are a lot there are an enormous number of details that only facebook has. They keep that private. That is a big part of the companies ethos. They dont like the share advertiser data, which makes eight little difficult for all of us to understand the nature and scope of these ads during the election, but mueller will have that information. Its very powerful. Jill, i wonder if you could walk us through the different features of a potential criminal conspiracy, ultimately, if bob mueller is looking at something illegal, like hacking, he wants to see intel. It seems the facebook piece and the money piece, if threw is one, are other ways. That is to say even if you put the hacking in the filtered emails aside the money spent on facebook ads or if any money went into other accounts or changed hands, would be distinct and separate potentially Criminal Conspiracy acts if americans were involved in would create a hook for muler . Absolutely. I think maybe what the public needs to know is that an act in further rance of a conspiracy doesnt itself have to be a crime. If are you spending money, thats not a crime. If you are spending money for an illegal purpose, it become as part of the conspiracy. So if any american paid for those ads or helped to identify how to target them, i think the targeting is a very interesting aspect of how they knew who to go after and how to rile up the public, because these seem to not be related to a candidate, more to issues, and were intended to rile the base in favor of donald trump and to be negative for Hillary Clinton. And to create events as well. So that they actually hosted events that brought in a lot of americans who, of course, did not know they were being lured there by russians. Thats the weirdest part t. Event they staged in idaho, according to russian organizers, they put out material is an antiforeigner event. Of course, it was staged by forepersoners, pretending to be americans. You cant make it up. Jim, i want to play for you Congressman Cummings, we have been talking so far tonight about money that went to facebook. Then there is all the money that went from other companies to the flynns and what that trail means. Here was Congressman Cummings speaking about this. We want them to come in. The folks who, from these various companies that hired flynn, we want them to come in and tell us exactly how this thing, how this happened and, by the way, andrea, whether its still going on, it may very well be that this was a major thing that he wanted to accomplish. He traveled all over the world to do it and so we want to know exactly is it still going on and what the communications were with with regard to it. Jill, how does a federal investigation approach those entities . Some of them may be doing something possibly lawful, which is influence pedaling, right . Which we know goes on a lot in washington. Yet, it seems flynns failure to Act Rattly Report on time at least brings some criminal liability into the picture . Its not a coincidence that all of these meetings and all of these relationships were not disclosed. Its interesting they had the meeting with the king of jordan while they were working for the transition. Or in the white house, itself, they were working on trying to make money through a nuclear deal that could have also endanger endangered the stability of the middle east and as white house officials or trump foishls. So there is an awful lot of illegal activity there and things that are dangerous to our democracy that i think we need to know about, both in terms of crimes, but also in terms of the politics of it. Yeah. Jill w jill, deepa, i want to thank you for the last word. Have a good weekend. Thank you. Up next we will talk about why the hats are on fire and what it means for donald trump. Plus, later, a mustwatch response to President Trumps odd demand that he get an apology after an espn anchor discussed his quote White Supremacy. And lifes beautiful moments. Ns get between you switch to flonase allergy relief. Flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. 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He likes me, anyway. I do think the president does enjoy talking to Chuck Schumer than Mitch Mcconnell and ryan. How much do they let donald trump hug them . As much as you can. The goal is to get something done. Trump has no idea logical core. He wants to quote win. He loves getting today press. The president likes the idea of cutting a deal and having victorie victories. Do you feel something changinging in the air . Donald trumps first month in office, we all know were characterized by chaos. Much of it self imposed. Now we are hearing the new buzz word maybe detrail. Maybe Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi could have reached a deal on d. R. E. A. M. Ers, first report and scrutinized here when that news broke wednesday night. Well that had already driven the gop base into a full rage by today. Steve bannons breitbart has the headline, Trump Supporters begin burning maga hats in protest against amnesty for no wall deal with democrats, followed by Red Lettering there, you have become the swamp. The article reports on these types of videos from Trump Supporters. I spoke to one myself earlier tonight. He endorsed trump but joined me on the beat to explain why he was burning his maga hat. Were hearing this from big names, a un coulter now talking impeachment. Its a tall order. Does donald trump care . Well, one aide says he can hardly remember the last time they seemed trump this pleased. One main reason here may be, guess what, the positive press, which donald trump may actually prize more than loyalty to his congressional republicans. One gop operative on this point explaining we got used to the new normal of chaos, maybe the new normal is betrayal for really no reason. Another factor interesting, trump may be insulated from some of this allegedly bad news. You may know about i. I may know about it. He may not. Instead of being able to march into the oval office and hand him the latest Breitbart Headline is playing with his fiercest nationalist reporters, aides supposeing this decision may have to go through a process implemented by, ofx, john kelly the general submitting a Document Request to get a president ial meeting. According to axios, he is getting fleeting however empty for alleged bipartisanship. You cant get mad about tweets you dont see. Joining me to break it all down is the president ceo and ms nbc contributor and a former congressman and a politics reporter from the daily parkway east who broke that story i just mentioned. David, you have been in congress. Guf gotten those piles of clips that mention you and access your information. Sure. How much of this is donald trump hearing a version of press for the praise for meetings we report to just about everyone . He ran on his ego, he served on his ego, i think its positive reenforcement he is hearing, if you go back to the advent of the tea party if 2010, remember marco rubio was their hero, he had comprehensive health reform. They kicked him to the curb, paul ryan the author of the ryan plan was this hallmark of conserve 2i678 n is no longer good for the base. Trump is going through that, recognizing to get a deal in washington, you have to compromise and the bays will never understand that. The base will never understand it, yet, although i think davids legislative history there is exactly accurate. Most of those deals were certainly broader. New polling shows most Trump Supporters do not face deportation of d. R. E. A. M. Ers. People across the political suspect trum, we know its logical, most people think if you happen to be taken here by someone else, the tlugs u solution is not to deport you today. I think thats what trump understands, he understands the base than a lot of the talking pretend to urns him, most people should be demored. So he is playing into that. He also recognizes he needs to repeat the business and that is widely held their evangelical movement supports the daca and the d. R. E. A. M. Ers. This is one of the places he feels he can make a compromise and still looks good, he is being kind and gentle to americans.

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