Of them and where the race stands now that theyre entering the home stretch. Also on the agenda is the battleground and then on the ground in one of the biggest swing states of all. When you look at this do you think that a guy like donald trump could fix up the neighborhoods . Of course. You do . So can hillary. Now, theres one group of voters that looms in deciding how ohio is going to go in november. We will tell you who they are and tell you more from jacob as well. Thats ahead and forget the press confidence drought that Hillary Clinton is talking to the media again and going after her o opponent. He said that the American People do not care about the tax returns, and in fact he has also said its none of our business. I just think that he is dead wrong. Meanwhile her husband former bill clinton facing scrutiny over the millions of dollars that he made with a four profit college. We will tell you about that and a whole lot more this hour. We begin with the developing story. This has been a big subplot this year in the race. Arizona senator jeff flake is out with a new attack on donald trump. This is very public demonstration of the tensions within the Republican Party with donald trump as the president ial candidate and with this fluid a and when flake was asked if his state is up for grabs in november . It should not be up for grabs. Mitt romney did it saying that youre going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it is not a policy. So that was jeff flake and pretty much as soon as he said that donald trump was out with this tweet and the Republican Party needed the leader and if its going stop illegal immigration and tweeting the great state of arizona and theres a weak and in affective senator. Jeff flake said and that was donald trump in response to what flake said over the weekend and now within the last minutes jeff flake firing back and saying that Hillary Clinton think that is he can win and don o don is not going to pose the problems with the state. What trump is willing do is a terrible things with woman and mock the disable and go to the character of pows and then go after the gold star parent of a fallen u. S. Soldier. Im not okay with that and im going speak out until he changes the tone of his campaign. If he refuses to do so, he will lose more than the election. Thats republican senator jeff flake talking about his partys nominee and don in just the last few minutes and thats where trump is holding an event and katie, were in the home stretch and labor day has come and gone and the headlines as we start and donald trump at war with a major leader in the Republican Party. Reporter yeah, this is not what the gop wants to see and donald trump going to battle with another republican senator. This is what she is doing. Frankly in the past it generally has not hurt donald trump. Remember he went out at with senator mccain and most recently a month ago when he was going to endorse mccain and he went on endorsing mccain and paul ryan and kelly ayott and it was a moment there. The one blas that it seems to hurt don is wisconsin where paul ryan is a very poplar representative and also its the home of ryan and thats the area that we see donald trump really laying in the bed that he has made if you will. In the other states like New Hampshire he won during the primaries and so this fighting with the establishment thing has not really hurt donald trump all that much so far especially when you can consider its part of the establishment and the message. Its part of the reason that he changed so much accord to go the sources and Paul Manafort when he was in charge and he did not like him telling him what to do. Donald trump said what works for him in the primary was that he was pushing against washington and the status quo politicians. We have seen that theres an about to get along with those that are friendly towards him and then its not not and they do not agree with what he is saying or the tactics and then senator flake, thats when donald trump goes on the attack and thats when many criticize him for the in ability to let something slide and let something go and getting into a twitter war and also a twitter war with the mexican president and anybody that dares to call him out or dares to disagree with him. What kind of commander in chief will he be. Thats what kind of things people are saying when they talk about the tone and temperament. Not just Hillary Clinton. Many people inside of the establishment that are saying that theyre worried what he would be like if he was in office. Is this something that the campaign would like to see him do . Not necessarily. I think that time and time again this is how he will act and react i should say. Okay. Katie in North Carolina following the Trump Campaign. Thank you for that. There are a lot of numbers out there and a lot of new polls and some of them getting the headlines. Lets take you through and we have the two headline polls today and one is the own nbc survey and then what you see here is a four point lead and what you dont see is the other two candidates and then gary johnson and theyre included when you just go clinton and trump in the poll, its a six point lead for clinton. However, theres also this and cnn with the poll this morning shows donald trump movering ahead nationally over Hillary Clinton in the poll 45 to 43 percent. You have not seen any polls putting trump ahead. What is happening here . Is it a Real Movement or outlie or what is going on . Well, there are two things that seem to be at work here. Number one its about the methodology and the cnn poll is using the likely voters opposed to the monkey poll that uses the registered voters and then two to right now and if youre a registered voter and getting called up im for clinton or trump or however. Thats what they have been using and as we start to get closer to the election pollsters come up with what they call the likely model and what theyre trying to do is predict who among the voters is actually likely to turn out and vote in november. Cnn has their formula on how to do that. This is the first time that they have used the likely model and it puts donald trump ahead and it tends to favor republicans. Now, here is the interesting thing. Cnn also put the numbers out just for registered voters and similar to the monkey poll and look what happened when they did that. Clinton moved into the lead by three points. You dont see a gap that big and this is something to look at Going Forward as other polls start to come up with their likely models. I know the survey polls within the next few weeks is doing the same thing. Something else thats driving the numbers and you can take a look at this and then its a swip here. Is that how we do . Hang on a minute. There it is. This is the other thing thats driving the numbers here. We talk about this all of the time and the divide between the College Educated and this is a group thats never voted for the nominee and now clinton leads and trump leading by 26 with whites that do not have it and then the same more gin that myth won in 2012. Look at this Donald Trumps margin with the same group have him leading by 44 points. You see the similarities up there and theres the big difference there with the polls as well. They have donald trump doing that much better with the whites that do not have a college degree. Thats more than a third in 2012 and thats the difference in keep in mind. Now, we said that theres also a survey of all of the 50 states thats out today and making the headlines. Check this out. Washington post did this one and theyre looking for a poll and online poll in all 50 states. This is what they came up with. They say that it totals 244 and trump leading by four or more and then a key thing to keep in mind and this is an online poll and it was conducted over a span of a month. Take it with a bit of salt and there were some interesting findings when you go into the states here. They have donald trump doing better than we see in ohio. That was two points in michigan and within two in wisconsin and those are blue states and how about this in terms of clinton. They have clinton ahead in arizona and we know that they were close. They have Hillary Clinton ahead in texas powered by College Educated woman moving decisively and they say in this poll to clinton and i dont know why we have missouri in here but in missouri they have clinton with two points in missouri. We say to take this with grain of salt. This is interesting to see all 50 states. Those are the numbers that are floating around today. Now lets turn to some expert commentary on all of this. We have a former republican congressman and then norm who wrote an essay that in many ways predicted the rise of donald trump within the Republican Party. I will start with you and you saw the Trump Movement coming within a year asking the Republican Party. Here we are with labor day and where do you think that the race stands in we took you through the numbers and where does it stand . Well, let me put on my hat for a minute and know that we will see the flux wags and some are not very good polls. Some are pretty solid polls and youre going see a lot of changes and we say that over and over gain and then the polling averages. That shows clinton up three to four points and what it means is that the big bounce and the unusually big bounce has settled down to about a half of what it was. Thats where the race is. The second thing that people should know when they look at the polls is that anything its a shift and one thing that you did not note was a drop for support with the minority voters and very unlikely thats happened. When you have a three or four lead, youre going to have some polls that show the candidate on average thats behind up by two or three. Youre going to see other polls and we will see them as well and thats up by eight or nine. Thats the nature of polling and thats good to deal with. Yeah, theyre going start to do the likely voter model and then we will see that. Its questionable those voter models. Yeah we will see that and then let me turn to you and then we looked inside of the numbers and then thats the blue collar divide between white voters. Donald trump seems to me when looking at the numbers if he has a path here its driving up with the blue collar whites to the levelings. We did not think that any republican could get and trying to with stand and keep the losses to a minimum among the suburban whites and do you think the math could work out that way . Well, thats been sold to the Trump Campaign for months and moss and have a big increase in the blue collar votes and working class neighborhoods. The math at least as a look at it and he is a pro at this too never works out. Thats a declining demographic and when he is losing is expanding deaf graphic and i think that its unlikely that he is going to produce the increase. The polls that i saw over the summer and they were mainly done for the individual members of congress and senators in the state and they did not really reflect that. They showed the republican candidates running really strong and far ahead of donald trump who was in a much bigger trouble than the polls and talking today and that would seem to indicate. Yeah the other question is that we did not have gary johnson up and theyre in the neighborhood of ten percent combine in the two polls. I know his or the i cannily the third party can kates unless youre talk of a ross and they seem to fizzle out as the election day approaches. Yeah u what you see is the High Water Mark and that was true if we go back to races where he did very well in 1992 and then john hander son and so the number are likely to drop a little built. Its interest to go see if the College Educated white republicans who may not want to vote for tribal reasons for Hillary Clinton but cannot bring themselves to vote for donald trump move in a different direction. It does not show a shift in clin or the clinton or trump. I am skeptical that its going a game changer. If the trump team were to call you up and say whats the single most valuable piece of advice that you can give us, what would it be . I dont know that you can do one piece of advice, but his immigration stand thats an nated me from the beginning is going to produce a record turn out with the hispanics and the voters substantially and he has to get straight on the immigration issue to have a serious chance in the race. By the way, i want to make a point. Norman is right about the candidates likely to fade unless the president puts them in the debates. That could change a bit. 15 percent threshold there and thats a good tease because later in the show were going look at the question on the threshold of where they stand. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Thank you. Trump weighing in on the Florida Attorney general and the foundation and trump university. Many of these attorney generals turned that case down. I will win that case in court. Many attorney generals turned that down. Plus, bill clinton finds himself under scrutiny with a Different University and taking millions from the type of institution that his wife is campaigning against. The first debate and who is going to be on the stage and who is not. Youre watching msnbc, the place for politics. Everything kids touch at school sticks with them. Make sure the germs they bring home dont stick around. Use clorox disinfecting products. Because no one kills germs use clorox dbetter than clorox. S. And programmers buteach them to talk. So yeah, ge is digital and industrial. 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As far as my taxes that are concerned the only ones that are concerned is the press. You dont think there are any voters out there . No, i dont think that anybody cares. O donald trump says that no one cares about the tax returns. Polling says that may not be the case. 62 percent says that its important for the candidates to release the concerns. There are reasons that the candidates may not want to release the tax returns. Here is an example of what can happen when you do release them. They have released the tax returns and from the returns that they made public theres a controversy and it has to do with this and its 17. 6 million paid to clinton by a massive profit chain offal colleges. Now, clinton was given the title and made speeches on behalf of the company and the contract expired 12 day bfrs the way announced the candidacy for president. Now, the issue of the profit universities and the role in the Education World is a lightening rod and then its the descriptideseepgs and then the school say that is the school did not deliver on the promised and they have saddled with debt. Now, there are some key differences between laureate and trump university. Trump university is not acredited. And then laureate is challenging and the Hillary Clinton team say that is she is committed as ever to on the institutions and she rails for profit schools and she and her husband have made 17. 6 million in one of them and thats gogs going to put the campaign under and now an Enterprise Reporter for the Washington Post. Roseland, you have written on this and take us into this and what kind of a world are we talking about here that bill clinton is taking in 20 million of honor their chancellor. What is he doing for that money . Give us a sense of it. Sure, this is a highly contra versele industry. They only have five campus in the united states. They have Something Like 80 all around the world. They have faced scrutiny in other countries as well as this country. One thing that we see is that they had a great deal to gain from sog a tie and recognized and incredible figure and it probably helps to explain why they were so interested in paying him what is a high amount of money. We found a good example of this is malaysia where there was a campus and there was an event where they read out loud a statement and then noting that there may have been Something Special about it that a person like bill clinton wanted o to be involved with them. That might be true but it might have been the 18 million that he was getting paid. Also you write about his wife was secretary of the state when he was electicollecting the mon. There was a state Department Event where it did not enrich them in my way but the prestige of the brand. Yeah, that was before bill clinton got the contract. She actually request the chief of staff and laureate be included. I spoke to a man that attended the meeting and was an advocate for lowering the cost of education. He said what you talk about does not matter. Its not that you get the make the case but the fact that you get to say that you were there and that provides the institution and you get the know the people in the room and he knows why the profit guys get invited to that and secretary clinton says this one was. Thank you for the time. Thanks for having me. Again, we know this story. Speak of trump, trump today f