Trumps refusal to comply with a peaceful transfer of power will have broad implications including how the nation addresses the surge in the coronavirus pandemic. This morning dr. Anthony fauci told cnns jake tapper its about passing the baton. As you know, ive been through multiple transitions now, having served six president s for 36 years, and its very clear that that transition process that we go through, the time, the period measured in several weeks to months, is really important in a smooth handingover of the information as well as its almost like passing the baton in a race. You dont want to stop and then give it to somebody. I want to essentially keep going. Thats what transition is. So it certainly would make things more smooth if we could do that. Nbc news political reporter ali havevitali is standing by i wilmington, delaware. Good evening, ali. Is the Biden Campaign losing patience with this nonsense from the president . How long will they keep entertaining trumps refusal to concede . Reporter hey, jason. Its not so much the lack of concession as it is the lack of letter of ascertainment from the General Services administration. The concession is just words. It doesnt have to come. There are no legal implications to it. Certainly its american tradition and it upholds the tenets of democracy. But this is not a Transition Team that is holding their breath waiting for donald trump to concede. Instead, the thing theyre really looking to get this week is the letter that officializes their transition and would effectively put them out of the bureaucratic limbo theyre currently in, because right now theyre a transition that cannot actually speak with any of the agencies, staff, or people who are currently in government because they have not been officially recognized by this otherwise obscure Government Agency that controls the flow of information and also the flow of resources, things like office space, email addresses, money for the transition to function with, all of those are the real hangups for this biden transition right now. And you heard it if that bite from Anthony Fauci right now. The reason you have a transition is because time is the one resource you cannot get back. In this instance, as the biden transition is clearly trying to center their Pandemic Response and prepare to take office after what could be a very dark winter, were only seeing these cases continue to spike, what theyre trying to do is plan and prepare for that. And they have a blockade in the way right now, preventing them from doing that. Think about this, they cannot actually talk to Anthony Fauci and his staff right now. Its something that fauci even reiterated this morning as he was doing the sunday shows, that those conversations would be really helpful. So the one Silver Lining that i have heard amidst all of this, certainly there is some foottapping from democrats here in wilmington who are working on the transition, but otherwise weve seen them sort of keep a calm exterior, at least publicly, letting this process play out as it is. Theyre not yet filing lawsuits or anything like that. The Silver Lining, though, that ive heard from people is that at least this is a group of people who have been in government before. For joe biden, a former Vice President , of course it was only four years ago that he was in the white house. So people around him and he himself know how to typically works. Hes familiar with accessing classified information. The same goes for Kamala Harris because of her role on the Senate Intelligence committee. A lot of these people are people who have been there before. The added wrinkle is now theyre trying to assume government in the midst of an ongoing pandemic. Tomorrow we expect to hear from joe biden and Kamala Harris both. Theyll be getting briefed on the state of the economy and then giving remarks on how to bring the economy back in the long term. But they have always inextricably linked bringing back the economy is tackling the pandemic. What im listening for is if they actually start to apply pressure from the top that now is the time for the General Services administration to issue that letter and get things going. Nbcs ali vitali, thank you for your reporting. Lets bring in jake sherman, Senior Writer for politico. Dr. Victoria Defrancesco Soto is assistant dean for Civic Engagement at the lbj school of public affairs, and dr. Kristine greer, a professor of Political Science at Fordham University and politics editor at the grio. Is trump ready to concede, jake . Listen, feel inadequate here next to three people with doctorates. But i will say this, i think hes starting to recognize the reality, as it is. And the people around him are suggesting that he needs to move on. I think thats quite obvious, that everybody around him recognizes hes not won the presidency, has no chance, but this is all, as i put it last week in playbook and got a considerable amount of flack for it, this is all Performance Art. Its Performance Art that has huge impact, but i would say the president is moving closer to a place of accepting the victory even in a psychic sense. I dont imagine hell give some speech saying its been a great four years for me, ill see you in another four years. But i do think thats going to slowly kind of recede from this defensive posture, perhaps, and maybe im a little bit too hopeful, but i do think over the next couple of days youll see somebody more accepting of the results. Dr. Difrancesco soto, the trump Team Announced that Rudy Giuliani will be taking over the fight. They havent found their jim baker. This is more like my cousin vinnie. Is this an admission on the part of the Trump Administration that they know this is all over . It is. And i want to echo what jake said, this is all Performance Art, kabuki theater, but its theater with a pick up. Lets go back to who donald trump really is. He is a salesman. If we go back to the trump steaks to the trump water, the trump board game, trump university, you can go on and on. When i see him holding out, its a bit of pet all anul a bit of pet all anuant all pets a kid who doesnt want to give it up, but he wants to stoke the anger of his base because those 70 million trump voters will turn into 70 million prospective consumers. So i see almost a twopronged approach. Its not wanting to let go, but a little further down the line as well. You know what, its frozen, let it go, mr. Trump. Dr. Greer, this morning bidens incoming chief of staff ron klain played down trumps reluctance to concede. But should the biden camp be getting more aggressive at this point . Its been a couple of weeks, we know whats going on. I think joe biden comes from the obama school of nodr dshno obama. I dont think they feel like they have to start sending out Smoke Signals just yet. As jake said, theyre people who have been Public Servants before, they know what theyre doing. I tend to lean more away from fresno and more towards teddy prendergast, let it go. Just because the president tweets he wont concede, it doesnt matter. We have to stop saying if joe biden. Joe biden will be the 46th president of the united states, is he the president elect. Luckily there are still enough bureaucrats and people within his orbit that know what to do. Its going to take a little longer. Sadly the American People might be at risk because of coronavirus and as dr. Fauci said, you know, the slow transition is slow handoff. But i dont think were at danger zone level red just yet, because the president , even though he says, you know, hes not conceding, business is still moving forward. Now, if we get to next week and we still have not had that paperwork signed and started transferring money, then i think the biden camp needs to get a lot more aggressive. I think right now theyre on pace. Jumping off what dr. Greer just said, what is the impact of this slow transition . What is generally occurring in our government now that has been slowed down because we cant get through a clear transition . I will say this, though, what everyone said is right, but i think that most people who are working for biden, many of the people in senior roles, ron klain, just on down the line, have experience in government. So while they might not be getting top level briefings, they might not be getting some information they would otherwise get in a more, lets call it, hospitable circumstance, they are ready in the broad sense to take over the government. So i think thats important to keep in mind, that they are both familiar with this government and familiar with government as they believe it should work. But listen, getting money from the gsa is a big thing. Getting secure phone lines is a big thing. So those things need to happen, and i assume they will happen in the coming week, or thats at least what the Trump Administration tells me. But theres no doubt that this is slowing the process down. So dr. Defrancesco soto, i want you to listen to this from dr. Fauci. When is the last time the president has attended a White House CoronavirusTask Force Meeting . You know, it was months ago. But, you know, when we have our Task Force Meeting, its run, as you know, by Vice President pence. And the Vice President then translates that to the president himself. But the last time the president was physically at a Task Force Meeting was several months ago. So i want you to put on your professor hat here. You basically have a student who has skipped class for the last several months. What impact do you think thats going to have on any kind of Covid Response for the next 50something days in the Trump Administration . The key to the Covid Response is really about logistics at this point. Because we know President Trump is not going to put a mask mandate in order. That ship has sailed. But what we do need right now, and ron klain talked about this on meet the press and it was really powerful, because the fact is, god willing, the vaccine is coming, but how do you distribute that vaccine . And the fact that President Trump checked out and it also seems pence is not all there, he may be physically there but hes not engaged. So how is this Administration Working with hhs to then figure out the distribution . Because the cavalry is coming but at the end of the day, how do we maximize that cavalry, that vaccine thats coming . For me, its the inner workings, Political Science boring part of the executive branch. But thats what really affects our lives and what is going to save us from the coronavirus killing millions more americans. So i think the devil is in the details here of the logistics of how we distribute the vaccine. Dr. Greer, what should we make of yesterdays million maga march . I know there were nice people on both sides. Once the proud boys showed up, vanilla ices forever 21 version of the altright, things seemed to be getting really violent. It seemed more like a call to violence than a political rally. What are your thoughts about this and what america should do Going Forward with obviously a force of people who are not going to disappear even after joe biden becomes president . Right. I think the response from the president is resounding. The fact that he refuses to condemn them and has continuously refused to condemn them. Its really concerning because if you listen to some of the chants that they were saying about there needs to be bloodshed, this is our country, we will fight to the death, this is our new civil war, all they need is for the president to continue to encourage them. The police to continue to support them and treat them as though theyre the victims. Obviously it wasnt a huge success, i find it so interesting that the Blue Lives Matter movement and the million maga march are sort of weak knockoffs of really powerful black movements. Its like, get your own, even, language before you begin. Its concerning especially since we know there have been several reports about the infiltration of White Supremacists in Police Departments across the country. As we see these people somewhat galvanized but also sometimes supported by Police Officers who refuse to use the same tactics they consistently use against innocent black protesters or black lives matter protesters. So its quite a frightening moment and i do know that the next 66 days will be very interesting for our country as we move forward in our peaceful transition. Jake sherman, victoria Defrancesco Soto, and christina greer, thanks, guys. Congresswoman barbara lee joins us next to talk about what should be an ongoing transition of power. Plus nasa and spacex make history. 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Bidens Transition Team is growing increasingly frustrated as the situation drags on. President trumps former chief of staff john kelly told politico the transition slowdown is causing a National Security risk. Former president barack obama also weighed in. Theres damage in this because what happens is the peaceful transfer of power, the notion that any of us who attain an elected office, whether its dog catcher or president , are servant of tcertificatservants. Its a temporary job. Were not above the rules, were not above the law. Thats the essence of our democracy. Joining me now is democratic congresswoman from california, barbara lee. Good evening. How concerned are you about this peaceful transition of power or the lack thereof that weve seen for the last week and a half . Nice to be with you. Im concerned but i think were going to get through this. I worked in the National Foreign policy world for many years as a former member of the Foreign Affairs committee, now the vice chair of the subcommittee that funds our international operations. We go abroad quite frequently to monitor elections, to make sure theyre fair and free elections everywhere in the world. We go abroad to talk about democracy promotion and why its essential that dictators do not run countries, why democracy is the preferred way to lead. And so here we have now a president who is acting like a strongman. And im concerned about what this says to the world in terms of how we conduct our peaceful transfer of power. As i said, were going to get through this, but boy, what it is saying to the rest of the world is very scary and is dangerous, and this is a real, i think, National Security crisis that well get through. But im concerned about the rest of the world and how theyre perceiving how we work through our democracy and our fair and free election. Congresswoman, pivoting to your home state of california, the state has now seen well over a million cases of the coronavirus. Anyone traveling to the state will now be asked to quarantine for 14 days. Do you think this new round of restrictions is going to be enough to stem the spread in california . You know, this is a grim moment. Its a grim statistic. And i have to sa