To told me they were being treated well. Louisiana is bracing for Tropical Storm barry. The storm expected to make landfall this morning, but its not the wind that is of the greatest concern. The real danger in this storm was never about the wind, anyway, its always been about the rain and that remains a very significant threat. I sit down with senator and democratic president ial candidate Kirsten Gillibrand as they kicks off trumps broken promises to her in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. He is so arrogant, so selfcentered, he would never admit hes wrong, ever. Its saturday, july 13. Just a couple days ago the president had a conference at the white house on social media in which he seemed confused about his fluctuating twitter numbers. It goes up, then they take it down. Does anybody know what im talking about with this . Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in . Up with me this morning, clint watts. Hes a former fbi special agent. Now hes a distinguished fellow at the Foreign Policy institute. Christine quinn is the vice chair of the Democratic Party. She was the speaker of the new york city council. Lets begin with immigration this morning. Thousands of families across the country are on edge this morning, worried about the i. C. E. Raids President Trump has promised, targeting immigrants who have been given final deportation orders in at least nine major u. S. Cities. The government will move those men, women and children to Detention Centers in texas and pennsylvania, facilities not unlike the ones Vice President mike pence toured yesterday in mcallen, texas. The designated reporter traveling with the Vice President wrote in part, the stench was por rhorrendous. The cages were so crowded it would have been impossible for the men to lie on the concrete. The men wanted to brush their teeth. They looked dirty. The president tweeted this, quote, the dhs facility in mcallen is a prime example of why we need to secure our borders. The facility is overcrowded and our system is overwhelmed. It is time for democrats in congress to step up doorks their jobs, and end this crisis. Next week, many of them have already taken trips to Detention Centers in recent days. There is no need for us to overcrowd and to detain and underresource. Children being separated from their parents in front of an american flag. We do have a crisis at our border. It is one of morality. The Trump Administration dead set on sending a hatefilled message. I want to read a little more. They saw 84 men sleeping inside fences on concrete with no pillows or mats. They hadnt shouwered in weeks, wanted toothbrushes. Fed. Pence said they could brush and shower regularly. Many have not showered for 10 to 20 days. This is an incremental story. It parallels one we heard about sexual abuse. What does joshs description tell you about this story . It tells me this is a crisis that is in no way diminishing, even though you say its incremental, its bit by bit. As the debate continues on twitter, are these concentration camps, what are we doing as a country, the administration continues to keep pace with its actions. Even though Congress Gave them almost 5 billion recently to address the humanitarian needs of the people trying to cross the border, the rhetoric is still the same out of the administration, the actions being taken by i. C. E. And custom Border Patrol are still the same. So despite the outcry weve been seeing based on these sorts of images, especially from democrats and people on the left, there hasnt been any sort of corresponding change in the actions of the administration to coursecorrect. So they seem pretty content with things the way theyre going. Christine quinn, the president said yesterday in comments that he wishes he could go there, he would like to see this as well. What do you make of the photo op, so much as there was one, the Vice President going there and saying, god bless to the children whom he met there and saying it was heartbreaking to hear from children. What is he talking about . Its heartbreaking to hear from children you put in cages. Its heartbreaking to hear from children for whom you have caused great additional trauma in their life, who you have filled with fear. I mean, the man is the ultimate no surprise, but it bears repeating hypocrite. Hes created those situations and now hes, you know, blaming the democrats for it. And lets step back for a second. I used to be an elected official. When you go do these visits, lets not fool ourselves. The places you go are spitshined. You go visit a park, they pick up the garbage before you get there. Nobody thinks its not like that. That was the best mens facility they could find . God help us all. The best was it . Think about it. Tomorrow there is going to be i. C. E. Raids in nine cities, including new york city. They are predicting they could arrest and detain 2 million more people. Now, put aside for a second the outrage of picking these people up. I run a network of homeless shelters. Were terrified i. C. E. Will show up at our door but were prepared. Where are we going to put 2 million more people . Where are you going to put them . Theyre targeting families, based on some media reports. Go talk to those children when youve ripped them from the cities theyve known. It is a disgrace and he added to that disgrace yesterday. Cliff, i want to talk about that point. The i. C. E. Raids, the president started those before, he postponed them for a couple weeks. Here we are again, and you have members of the administration who say theyre not going to weigh in on whats happening because they like to keep things secret, when the president has been doing it time and time again. You throw these things out there, use it like a chess piece, and at the same time hes projecting toughness without having to do anything, which is a pretty trumplike approach in terms of how he handles the media. What is consistent with this, when you look at whats going on down at the bored we are these facilities with every single visit is what the Trump Administration does. Pushes a policy with no actual plan, right . This was completely predictable just like these raids will be. There will be thousands of people, they have nowhere to put them, they stress the system, it creates a disaster, then they have to deal with it publicly, then they try to push back on the democrats, oh, you need to solve this, right . I think its a huge opportunity in a way for the democrats as a party to say, this is what we want to do, this is what we want to carve out. However, that opportunity, i feel, is being squandered. Some of the rhetoric i hear is we need to disband whole parts of the government. Having worked in the government, its not only disrespectful to government workers who have been hearing that who have been serving their whole life. I. C. E. Was create after 9 11 because the whole system failed to do its job then. So i think somehow they have to navigate a better message about what they actually want the outcome to be, and i think its there. I think whats happening right now, particularly with the president , is going to exacerbate this problem. Its going to make it much, much worse. If he does those raids starting tomorrow, those facilities are going to be even more crowded. Quickly. From working with moms and children in our shelters and talking to staff the past couple days, theyre terrified. And we dont know who is documented and undocumented, but many of the people who are also terrified, we believe, are fully documented. So what theyre doing, even if they pull it back at the last minute, which i doubt but could happen with this president , he has caused so much fear, terror and anxiety, in my case, amongst people, and i think in most cases, who have no other choice. Ill comment on something clint brought up here, and that is you can criticize the agency. When you look at how much this administration talks about immigration, this part of the government is so illequipped from a managerial perspective. We have an active Homeland Security, we have an acting female administrator. Well talk more in the show about how many vacancies there are. That the president wants to talk about it, its woefully understaffed, and i dont know how they function. I need a flow chart to see who is in charge of the dhs these days. Theyve moved around the heads of cdp and i. C. E. And just shuffled them around so much that ive lost track of who is running what. And all of them acting. Nobody has been authorized fully by the senate to do many of the things theyre doing. Thats been pushing on what i think a lot of people have called one crisis but its really two. Two pressure points on the system both by people coming to the border, seeking asylum, which, again, is legal. Fleeing violence, poverty, et cetera, from central america. And on the other hand, people who are already in this country trying to be forced out. And those twin pressure points onto the system have strained it to an actual breaking point. This is speculation for me, but its hard to not think this is almost what they want, the ma administration. They want this buckling of the system so they can say, look, everything is broken. We have to take many more drastic steps before we can get to the point where we can feel secure as a country. Christine, lastly, to you. You talk about how youre prepared for this to happen. Hayes is talking about this pressure point, this tension. There is another one i think would work as well and thats between local governments and the federal governments as well. You see this across the country where its purportedly going to take place. Theyre prepared to push back against the federal government. That tension is probably good for them as well. I assume politically because thats the only lens they look through. I applaud mayors like Lori Lightfoot in chicago. She has stood up and said, i. C. E. , cbd, you get noa access to chicago databases. Thats why local government matters, because its our best offense when the government acts in an oppressive and outrageous way. I applaud mayors who are standing up, and i applaud the networks on sunday. Let me just say its wild how this has flipflopped over the years, and the pressure of which party is, oh, the local government is here to protect you versus the federal government is coming to take away your rights. Its interesting to see this dynamic in play. Clint, i just want to get your perspective. Does this lead to more . In other words, were talking about the Political Tension this could create as well. Do you see this as a new tack the administration will have . How are they viewing this in the longterm perspective . Its to add pressure, and its pressure through show. Were going to hear a lot about these raids tomorrow, and they will do some, but it will ultimately come back to band width and resources. Election security, this immigration border detention issue, and now weve got a Tropical Storm hurricane and probably many more to come behind it, all of dhs who has no one in charge. When you start to look at what can they really execute in terms of these plans, it falls short of whats out there. Ultimately it comes down to, how do we resolve this, and liked to see some sort of strategy. Other th other than Julian Castro, ive not heard of a plan coming forward. My colleagues have been like, what do they want us to do, then . If thats not clear, youre going to lose a lot of the middle of people who are like, you know what, we do have to have Border Security because i was around on 9 11 and the single fail point we kept going back to was immigration. We got rid of the whole administration and turned it into i. C. E. There has to be a plan thats detailed, and i like that castro is putting some of it down there, but i feel like its coming to a head and i want the team to say, this is what our immigration strategy is. This is humane. This is how we handle the issue at the border. This is how we work with the courts in terms of asylum and refugee. Put it in advance of the twitter blowback. Mayor pete and others have been doing this as well, but as you say, Julian Castro the first with a plan on immigration. Alex acosta is out in fewer than 48 hours after his case with jeff epstein. The fallout and more, up ahead. Yo, jer we gotta get to the show. I was looking for a sign. Get on the bus. I need something to believe in. Throw my hands up to the ceiling. Oh sky wont you give me a sign. Tell me will the world one day ever be mine . Jeep wrangler. Freedom to do it all. gasp singsong budget meeting sweet. If you compare last quarter to this quarter. Various mmm. Its no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. Keith used to be great to roadtrip with. But since he bought his house. Are you going 45 . Uh, yes. 55 is a suggestion. Its kind of like driving with his dad. What a sign, huh . Terry, can you take a selfie of me . Take a selfie of you . Yeah. 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The ambassador announced his resignation writing, quote, the Current Situation is making it impossible for me to carry out my role the way i would like. Although my posting is not due to end until the end of this year, i believe in the current circumstances the responsible course is to allow the appointment of a new ambassador. Alex acosta, the secretary of labor, faced criticism in the jeff epstein agreement, and for a while he was despondent. Prosecutors were willing to let mhim walk away with no jail time. We found this unacceptable and they became involved. Without the work of our prosecutors, epstein would have gotten away with that state charge. It seemed the labor secretary would not step down, and on friday, there was this surprise announcement. I do not think it is right and fair for this administrations Labor Department to have epstein as a focus rather than the incredible economy that we have today. And so i called the president this morning. I told him i thought the right thing was to step aside. Cabinet positions are temporary trusts. It would be selfish for me to stay in this position and continue talking about a case thats 12 years old rather than about the amazing economy we have right now. And so i submitted my rez i go nation to the president effective seven days from today, effective one week from today, earlier this morning. Joining clint hayes, let me lay this out. These are two men and one dealt with it one way and the other handed it the other way. I think the ambassador did the right thing. The things he said about President Trump turned out to be true. He tweeted about them, and there are many times the receiving country would like the sending country to send a different ambassador. Ive never heard of it done in this kind of public and rude and, frankly, crude way. The second point, of course, was the British Government kind of throu threw the ambassador under the bus, and i think the ambassador realized that and he realized it quickly, which i think is important in these matters. He just got up and said, im leaving, and i think that was the right call and perhaps secretary acosta should have considered that before he tried to hold onto his job for several days. And clint watts, on that point, the throwing under the bus when it comes to alex acosta happened a little late. He had an opportunity before that happened right, like it is a strange sequence of events. What i also found interesting, though, is we were talking before we came on, how this scenario was played out through the week which is a focus on acosta instead of the awful things in the epstein case, right . It has also distracted us into the administration. I like that hes moved because now we can get back to the real facts of the matter which is really rich people dodging our judicial system, really rich people dodging our elective system and averting democratic institutions. Thats what is significant in this, whether its acosta, trump. These are people who operate because they have lots of money, and they get to do what they want and circumvent the system. If that situation arose for anyone else in america, he still would be in jail and probably never would have been let go. This is a guy who was allowed to work all day long, have his own private security detail bizarre. It is beyond bizarre. There was a great piece to the point hes making here. It says, the issues raised by the epstein saga and the plea bargain that acosta agreed to are systemic, rather than partis partisan. They go to the heart of the american class system and the manner in which people of great wealth and high social standing. This goes to women. Theyre girls, theyre children. Their wellbeing, their innocence, their future was less important than rubbing elbows with this rich creep that the system gave more weight to his power than the innocence of children also has to be noted, because it speaks to the ongoing systemic sexism and mysogeny that is built into the institutions in america, particularly in the criminal justice system. Ambassador hill has a smaller clack now that this cabinet has gotten larger and larger. I dont think there is a constructive gaive and take tha he has with his cabinet members. Roberta jackson, the former ambassador to mexico was appointed in politico. He said, we have gotten to a point now where it would appear diplomats cannot report to their governments accurately in any way that is going to remain confidential, and