Exactly where this is. Again, 5 miles close to Charles De Gaulle airport, where weve had confirmation that theyve closed down two runways for i believes. And mikey kay was talking about the fact that helicopters will need that air space, more so than they were worried about any type of acts against arriveing flights, but they want to close that down as a precaution to have open air space over this town. Does it strike you that these brothers are trying to get to belgium more than to germany, because belgium seems to have a much more active profile for those that are attracted to operations with al qaeda or terrorist activity . Bill, can you hear me . I can hear you. Sorry, i wasnt sure that you were directing that question at me. I mean you know i dont think there was any there is any proof that they were trying to get to anywhere other than out of paris. Obviously, the longer that they spend in their two hijacked vehicles, you know the more detectable they would be and thats why yesterday they abandoned one of these cars near the town of long pond. So i dont think there was any evidence that they were trying to get to belgium or germany or anywhere else. Just to update you on this idea that the two men have made some kind of statement. There is an mp for the local area called eve el baledo and he has also said the two fugitives have declared they wanted to die as martyrs. So thats the local mp eve el bollero, now sayinging as a result of what hes heard from the police that these two men are prepared to go down fighting. Also weve had word from caroline merlet who works in the Mayors Office in the town and she has told the le monde newspaper that they are inside the area and everyone has been shut inside the mayors building, and she said we like everyone else are following things online. There are difficulties in getting a mobile phone signal a Cell Phone Service out of this area because i think the police probably are also monitoring cell phone traffic, which is why youve lost me a couple of times. We are now with the police and the military right beside the siege situation, and i can tell you theres just you know a sea of military and Police Uniforms here. Everyone from police s. W. A. T. Teams, special forces antiterrorist forces. You know it is military and police in the area is absolutely saturated. And i would say that you know as ive said before that this is pretty much the end game for these men. And we are now being taken in under Police Escort into the main siege area. Bill from military sources and French Police sources that youve had any access to as you say that this could be the end game for these two brothers. Is their goal to capture them alive, knowing that these men want to die as martyrs, or is it just going to be what the fates allow if the situation comes down to it that these men might need to be killed . Reporter i think, as in any hostage situation, the absolute First Priority is to save the lives of the hostages or the single hostage, if there is indeed only one. That will be priority number one. Priority number two, i think, would also be to save the lives of you know French Police and any of the military who are there. They dont want to end this with sort of multiple deaths of French Police officers. You know priority number three might be to take these men alive and to put them through the due process of law. But i think at the end of all this they want to and you know the word in french is trulize. They want to neutralize these men. And if that means they have to be killed there is absolutely no question that french authorities are prepared to do that. They did it in another terrorist hostage situation just a few weeks ago in toulouse. Absolutely the sparing of innocent lives is priority number one. We know that these brothers and all that have been involved with whatever the attack was that we have witnessed on Charlie Hebdo was murderous and demonstrated an absolute disregard for human life. And so we know what these brothers are capable of. Again, if youre just joining us we have confirmation that French Military and antiterrorism police have surrounded the kouachi brothers inside the small Industrial Town of dammartinengoele. This is just 25 miles northeast of paris, france. It is just after 11 30 a. M. There in the french countryside, where helicopters, as we were seeing before are landing in fields. There have been two runways shut down for arrivals at Charles De Gaulle airport. That is in proximity roughly of about 5 miles. Our mikey kay, we were talking to him about what this means. He was saying that the air space is much more necessary to the air operation of bringing in air support than fears that might to be those planes ariferiving because of any type of weapons that these brothers might have on them. Bill neely is in the periphery and was being escorted in. Bill are you being still escorted in by the police . Reporter yes. Weve just now got really about as far as we can possibly go. There are other media here as you can imagine. So i can see the Industrial Area in front of me. Imagine any, you know any american Industrial Area. Its exactly the same sort of featureless, large buildings. The two men are inside the two brothers are inside a printing works. Its a small workshop in one of these buildings. There is a sound of sirens. As i said the place is saturated with blue and green uniforms of every kind of french antiterrorist squad you can imagine imagine. So, thats the scene. As im looking up, i cant see any sign of helicopters. Perhaps theyre simply not needed anymore because theyve got eyes on every side of this building, and therefore, dont need an aerial view. The helicopters were being used yesterday and even overnight with night vision equipment being used from one helicopter that we could see hovering overhead. And there was a report that they were trying use thermal Imaging Equipment because these men, it wasnt known exactly where in the countryside they were. But it seems the helicopters are not being used now. Were about 5 miles from Charles De Gaulle airport, one of the two main airports in paris. Half of the runways so there two twin runways at Charles De Gaulle. One of the twin runways has been closed down. Two air france planes which were coming in to land were actually diverted away from the airport. That was earlier this morning when there was the initial shooting incident. So, the authorities thought it best, first of all, to close down the airport because of gunfire, also probably because there were so many helicopters in the air. And of course there were reports that one of these men had some kind of rocketpropelled grenade. And i think there was also possibly a fear that they might use that to attack a plane. But i think their situation now is much more imminently focused on the large numbers of french Antiterror Police that are surrounding them. I dont think theyve got an airport or an aircraft in their sights. I think its a question now of their survival and of the survival of the single hostage that we believe they have with them. Bill, lets talk about the access to weapons, as you talk about what was suspected. What was confirmed that we know the brothers have access to . Reporter well i think what everyone is going on again, is the initial video, which clearly showed them cradling at least one kalashnikov ak47 rifle. There was unconfirmed that the second weapon was a pumpaction shotgun. Witnesses have described other weapons in the back of one of the cars and this is how word of this rocketpropelled grenade began to circulate. There was also a report that they had islamist flags or paraphernalia in the car. I mean i suppose the big question is you know what ammunition do they have left . They abandoned two cars in the course of their getaway. What we dont know and what i suppose police dont know either is how much ammunition they have left how long can they keep up this siege you know how many police could they take out in a potential shootout. That we just dont know. Bill im going to let you go for a couple of minutes, because i know youre eager to talk with people on the scene there. And so, i want to let you go get fresh, reportable information, as youve just arrived inside through Police Escort there in dammartinengoele. Bill, thank you for your information. Again, if youre just joining us, our bill neely on the phone arriving in this small, french countryside town where the kouachi brothers have been cornered by the antiterrorism police. There has been contact made with the brothers confirmation of one hostage, and the brothers have told the Hostage Negotiator and this has been confirmed through the mp of this town as well as through the deputy mayor that they want to die as martyrs. These are the brothers that we have seen through the videos that have played out involving the Charlie Hedbo attack the kouachi brothers cherif and said. 12 people died in that attack that happened nearly 52 hours ago. Joining us now former Defense Department official and nbc news terrorism analyst Michael Sheehan. Youre watching all of this play out. Obviously, as we were hearing from bill neely there, the priorities of the French Military and antiterrorism operation thats taking place right now to save the lives of the innocent. Obviously, these brothers have demonstrated their regard for human life or lack thereof. But you would hope that they would not get their wish to die as martyrs. Thats right. Clearly, the french would like to capture these people alive and try to get the full story. Obviously, theyve got the evidence to convict them all on tape. But really they want to capture them to see if there are other members of the cell, where their connections are to roll up other people. So, its very much in their interests to capture these people alive. But it doesnt look like thats going to happen if theyre committed to go down as martyrs. But you never know. A lot of people a lot of these socalled martyrs will chicken out at end, and hopefully, theyll be able to capture them alive. Michael, how does this bring us back to where we have long suspected it to be a hotbed of terrorism, that we have confirmation that said kouachi received terrorism training in yemen in 2011 through al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula . Again, i remind everybody that the uss cole bombing happened in the port of yemen well before 9 11, in 2000. And weve known about what that country means. Yeah certainly. Ive been to yemen with the department of defense. Its been a hotbed for many many years. As you mentioned, the bombing of the cole the year before 9 11 in october of 2000. But even there have been many incidents there. The u. S. Military has been there assisting yemenis. Weve had many also drone attacks in yemen attacking al qaeda. Al qaeda their operational arm has shifted from pakistan to yemen. That is the front line of al qaedas operational activity right now. Its also the front line of their propaganda activity with inspire magazine, which has apparently been directly involved in inspiring these two characters to attack charlie, and specifically, the editor there. So, the yemeni connection is very strong its very important, its a hotbed of al qaeda activity. So how do you think that from a National Security standpoint of protecting the homeland we should reevaluate specifically what were doing in targeting the activity thats taking place in yemen and what these brothers and the coverage what theyve been able to do is now going to provide for those that are inspired by it . Yeah i can assure you that the department of defense, the cia and others are very much focused on yemen, have been for quite a while. About two years ago, al qaeda was back very strong in yemen, had taken over large areas of control in central yemen. And we upped our operations there, upped our predator attacks against al qaedas leadership in yemen, increased our training and assistance to the Yemeni Forces that are pushing back up against al qaeda there. But theyve got their hands full in yemen. And i think that this is going to increase our focus there to try to again, push back on al qaedas presence there and continue to put pressure on them shlg because if theyre not under pressure theyre going to be able to train more of these types of people and launch them into the west to conduct terrorist operations. So its a huge concern for the department of defense and the cia and our partners in the region to put pressure on al qaeda in yemen, as that is a Forward Operating base for al qaeda in the world today. Michael, what does your gut tell you about what the i guess the background is for these brothers whether this is something directly connected and linked to al qaeda or something more, described as a lone wolf situation, as we have recently with the sydney siege . Yeah this is very different than the sydney scene in australia, where you have a lone wolf going into a random coffee shop and shooting the place up. This is very different. These people knew what they were doing. They have had connections, training by al qaeda. They targeted specifically a News Organization a much more strategic attack by them. They have the training, they have the weapons. This is a very different situation, and thats why i think the french are very much interested in capturing these guys alive, to find out what the networks are so they can prevent other actions like this in the future. You make a great point there, when we compare and contrast the big differences here. Michael, ill ask you to stand by and ill bring back to our coverage nbc news correspondent ron allen, who joins us live from paris. Ron, speaking with our colleague, bill neely, whos now in this small french countryside town, he talks about the periphery and being on lockdown but the confirmation that this is the brothers that the antiterrorism police have been looking for, but the deputy mayor saying that through the Hostage Negotiator that they want to die as martyrs. Have you been able to speak with anybody that you know the reaction of anybody there, hearing that . Because i would imagine there are people that want to see these brothers brought to justice and others that would rather see them extinguished. Reporter yes, and i imagine if you took a poll youd probably find a lot of opinion on those issues. Theres a lot of anger here thomas, i can tell you that. Theres a lot of people who feel that this is an attack on this country. The president , francois hollande, has been speaking this morning, and he has said as much. He has said that the countrys in shock. Hes called this a test for the authorities. He has said that this was an attack on freedom of expression as others have during the past couple of days since this happened. I think people really want this to be over but i think that also, people here understand that this is something that is part of the society here. These individuals, its no surprise that this happened to some extent because its been long known that there are jihadists here who sympathize with groups in syria and iraq and elsewhere around the world who want to attack and kill westerners. So i think people understand that, but they are still angry. There is a lot of tension here. There is a lot of anxiety, because it was unclear when there would be another attack. Youll recall there was an attack yesterday morning that killed a policewoman. So, and that suspect is still at large as well. So, theres still a lot of concern about what might happen next but i think relief certainly, and a feeling of satisfaction to some extent that these two individuals have apparently been cornered. And yes, i think a lot of people would want to see them dead. Some people would also want to see them brought to justice. And i think a lot of people just want this to be over with. And ron, police investigators, theyve been able to separate the kouachi brothers from the attack and the death of the policewoman, correct . Reporter yes. The police have said that those were two separate incidents. Its unclear what the motivation was of the alleged attacker. Its unclear whether that was someone who was a copycat incident or whether it was something else. It appeared to be something that was not planned. Apparently there was an accident. A Police Officer and others were responding to the accident scene, and an individual heavily armed, or armed, approached the Police Officer and killed this woman, allegedly. Now, its unclear whether the individual, the suspect was involved in the accident or a bystander, but we believe he had an automatic weapon as well as a handgun. So, again, will more of that happen . Thats, of course everyones big concern and fear here. And that suspect is still at large as far as we understand. But again, the feeling here i think thats been one of anxiety. Theres a heavy Police Presence around town. There has been and there will continue to be i would imagine until police are able to resolve all of these situations completely. Understandably, it has gripped our attention. Ron allen, were going to let you get back out to get more reportable information for us there in paris. And joining me now on set is our Ayman Mohyeldin. Weve been watching very fluidly the events over the last hour unfold. Its just before noontime in france right now. We know that there are schools on lockdown. This industrial village town of dammartinengoele on lockdown where people have been told to stay inside. Our bill neely is on site. And hes talking about the periphery of the town how they have encapsulated it with this military antiterrorism presence but it seems as if the brothers on this roll of carnage over 52 hours have not had much of an Operational Plan . Yeah, i mean listen theres two parts to this. One is and i was watching this video ye