Mirror, sports fans. Three new yorkers, walk into a primary, well see how that joke ends. After the frontrunners were defeated by double digits in the badger state yesterday, all the candidates turning their sights to this empire state trying to play up their hometown roots. Hillary clinton did a pair of cable news interviews, at morning joe where she took some jabs at Bernie Sanders, and the later with cnn, where Hillary Clintons approach was anything but subtle. Campaign manager jeff weaver said something interesting, inflammatory, on our air here, saying that you know, the Clinton Campaign, secretary clinton, they need to be careful not to destroy the democratic party, merely in pursuit of her own ambition to be president. Very strong words. Your response to that idea. Well, i mean, its just ludicrous on the face of it. You know, i have been campaigning for democrats, fundraising for democrats, recruiting democrats to run and win for a really long time. I think about 40 years. I understand theyre getting anxious. I get that. But they need to be thoughtful about what they do say. Because at the end of the day, we need a democratic president. He has been campaigning now for a year on his core message of inequality, which i absolutely agree with. And i put forth my own plans. In the interview, it seemed unclear as to whether he understood how i think was a little bit, you know, surprised that there didnt seem to be a lot of substance to what he was saying. So mark, she went after him hard, harder than i think she has gone after him. Do you think she is behaving this way, taking him on more aggressively because she is worried or senses that his jugular is exposed and she can get it. She is not worried. She knows from his campaigns view, she will be the nominee. Shes frustrated. She wants him to stop winning. He is not going to get out of the race if he keeps winning primaries and caucuses. She is trying to go after him, to have him stop winning. Not because she is worried hell get more delegates, but because she wants him out of the race so she can focus on the general election. There are times campaigns center around remarks made by their rivals, and political posturing. If you know Hillary Clinton, she is the policy wonk she is, she is personally offended by how some of sanders responses were. She is like i cant believe this guy, and the double standard we talked about yesterday on the show. If i answered these questions this way, i would be torn apart. I think thats seeping through here. In addition to frustration, she is amazed and probably appalled by how weak sanders was on substance. If he can beat her in new york, it will go to california. Oh, yeah. Hillary clinton will have gained no advantage. Theyll go to june no matter what. She doesnt want that. She wants him out of the race. She is trying to take advantage of what she sees as weakness, and she also knows, i know, at least one of her advisors know, and she probably does too, new york is a place where if you arent playing offense, youre playing defense. For sure. They want to go after sanders on the looming debate and the new york media. I do think that it is the case that they know this will be a competitive state, but unlike in wisconsin, where they said early, they thought they were in trouble and being honest about it, i think the extent to which they think its competitive, theyre overstating. Theyre confident that theyre going to beat him here and she is going for the jugular. Speaking of Bernie Sanders, the vermont senator pulled off a big win in wisconsin. 57 to 43 . It got him 47 delegates. She took 36. His victory speech and today, appearing on television. Sanders campaign saying theyve got the momentum and secure the nomination this weekend, while the Clinton Campaign saying the delegate math makes it improbable. Going forward, if you were making the best case for sanders being the democratic nominee, how does it play out . He does win here in new york, despite i think she is the frontrunner here for sure. And that that momentum out of wisconsin and new york carries him forward to surprising victories like pennsylvania, where the race is actually surprisingly close, maybe in new jersey, im not saying theyre high likelihood, but the best Case Scenario for him. Ride the momentum and win the states and get close enough in the pledged delegates he can start making the argument he is a better candidate in the general election than trump or cruz. You know what sinatra said, if he can beat her here, he can beat her any where. He is not going to get out of the race, but he needs relatively big wins, starting with new york, and he needs some prominent super delegates to express doubts about her. Mythical matchups against the republicans, and then he probably needs another intervening event. Something with the email investigation, something with the clinton family. Something else that causes democrats to say wait a minute. Maybe we should go to the Convention Like the republicans are doing, and have this out as a family in philadelphia. If youre playing it out from Sanders Point of view, if he didnt close to pledged delegates on the super delegate front, is that what theyre designed to do to keep someone who is unelectable. Right now in most head to head polls, he is performing better than her against republican rivals. Some cases substantially. If youre making the case from his side, in theory, thats a power of argument. Hey, look, im better than she is in a general election. Morning joe interview, when joe asked Hillary Clinton should Bernie Sanders get out, she said well, i remember when people forced me to get out. I tried to do. I was doing well. I didnt want to get out. So rather than trying to force him out, as long as he keeps winning, she cant argue he should be out of the race with explicitness. After his whopping win in wisconsin, marginalizing john kasich, set up a oneonone with him and donald trump. Cruz was in the bronx, after his victory speech last night. He stood before the new york media to unveil antitrump framing for the New York Primary and beyond. Donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. If he wants to engage in insults, he is welcome to do so. He gets very angry when the voters reject him. The day before yesterday, donald trump promised a quote, big victory in wisconsin. And not only did he not get a big victory, but the men and women of wisconsin resoundingly rejected his campaign and the reason is simple. Donald has no solutions to the problems were facing. He likes to yell and scream and insult and curse. If you want to know what liberal Democratic Values are, follow Donald Trumps checkbook. He has been funding these policies. So mark, you were there, in the bronx today. You saw that event today. Im going to ask you the same questions. Given everything going on, what is the best Case Scenario now in the long run overall for ted cruz . He is emphasizing both his antitrump message, but also the economy. He has got to become a poplous. He says Bernie Sanders is right. The rich have gotten too rich under barack obama. Needs an economic message, antitrump message, and he needs to win. He needs to win and keep winning in some states. Wisconsin cannot be the one. Northeast for the most part in the next month, its going to be tough for him to win, but he has to do surprisingly well and win. He has to win indiana. I think if he can somehow pull off a win in pennsylvania, Rick Santorum won statewide, its not impossible, win a couple of those states, win a bunch of the most conservative Congressional Districts in california, be able to force a contested convention, and then with the strength of his organization, put himself in a position where he can say the party is rejecting donald trump. He is not a real conservative. Youve got to come to me, because im number two. Underground work of lining up delegates both pleged and unpledg unpledged. Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. Being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. 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A man who built an empire, pivots here in the empire state, polls have him leading with more than double the numbers of the two remaining rivals, kasich and cruz. John, should kasich and cruz do today, kasich done during the week, campaigning here in new york . Theyre in different places, kasich and cruz. There are some districts, and well talk about this more in detail. The rules are that if you get over 50 and the others get below 20, you can get all the delegates. I think john kasich, if i were him, delegate accumulation business as a wise person pointed out, i would move on and start thinking about rhode island, pennsylvania, spend my limited resources in those places. I think ted cruz, there are places he can fight here and pick up some delegates. Its a tough choice. If you dont campaign here, youre left out of the narrative. But trump will kill in this state, barring some change, i dont care what kind of trump slump there might be. Hell maybe win every delegate from the state. Maybe. So to come here, youre not going to spend money on broadcast television, tar guege the individual districts, neatly aligned with media markets, so i think theyll be here some, but man, trump is in a really strong position. Private polling that shows him well above 50, and it is spread out across the state. He is not a city candidate. In fact, the city is some of the weakest. We asked one of our crack staff, the political reporter, generally, the places trump would be weakest are the places most highly educated, a lot of those places are in manhattan, and cruz evangelical will not play particularly well. It might just make sense, in fact, to just say donald is a new york guy, and have cruz and kasich get the hell out of here. Cruz and kasich both won their home states and made a big deal out of it. I think trump will get at least 50 statewide. Do television interviews, try to make a case. Stay in the conversation. Exactly. But i think theyre making a mistake to come here and pick off delegates. The story in two weeks will be trump rump. We all know the Trump CampaignCruz Campaign is sophisticated about this thing. Whether well see cruz do things, where he goes, basically theyll fly and get out of here. The narrative, momentum, and delegate game, it is a zone here for anybody all right, after ted cruz won in wisconsin, its becoming increasingly likely were looking at a contested convention come july in cleveland. Trump and cruz, not particularly the most popular guys in washington, d. C. , and as the party braces for a tense week out there in rock and roll city, some in the establishment are looking for a white knight. This morning, the editor of the weekly standard, bill kristol was asked about this very question on morning joe. Two or three republicans that could, if not paul ryan, could get in there . Do we go back to the jebs, t marcos . No, i dont think so. Statesman like type. None of it is quite right, you know. Who is this person . None of them are quite right. If john kyle, condi rice more conservative, you know what, this guy is or woman is a seriously its hard to come up with a name. Bill kristol does not want donald trump to win at all. Like anyone else, theyre praying for a contested convention. Why are they have a hard time coming up with the answer theyre begging for. They want the scenario, they need a white knight, why cant they name them . Its hard. Theyve ran and failed. Theyre out. A lot of people think that. You need to be someone who the establishment will like and the tea party will like, and who trump and cruz, if not themselves, at least some of their forces would say yeah, that person would be really good. Ive been racking my brain. I brought up dick cheney, i was laughed at. Bush 41. To me, its ryan. Kristol. Did you say bush 41. Yeah. Ryan is the answer. Nobody else. I dont know why its so hard to answer that. For a lot of republicans, i dont know why bill kristol has a hard time with it. Paul ryan is the likely answer. The only one. The ryan people will beat me up and say its not going to happen, but for the same reasons he was a consensus choice for speaker, he has some moderate positions on immigration, et cetera. The dude is really conservative. He is really conservative. He is really conservative. Paul ryan would go into a general election, ready. Right. Picking up from a standing start at the convention. Look, not only that he has run a National Campaign before, he was actually for a lot of conservatives, he was reassuring when romney put him on the ticket back in 2012. He is tested in that sense, and he would have gone he could have a fresh start without having to be totally green, right, in terms of a National Campaign. I think he is the ideal answer. With all due respect to priebus, ryan said he was not interested, until the moment when if there a deadlock, they turn to the man from janesville. Coming up, we kickback into cruz control, talking to nbcs hallie jackson, about the cruz future, right after this. Were born here. Sending them into the wild wouldnt be noble. It could be fatal. When they freed keiko, the killer whale of movie fame, the effort was a failure and he perished. But we also understand that times have changed. Today, people are concerned about the Worlds Largest animals like never before. So we too must change. Thats why the orcas in our care will be the last generation at seaworld. There will be no more breeding. Were also phasing out orca theatrical shows. Theyll continue to receive the highest standard of care available anywhere. And guests can come to see them simply being their majestic selves. Inspiring the next generation of people to love them as you do. 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But in gotham, nothing is simple. God bless you, we support you. Security is right behind you. Poorest Congressional District in the united states. It was, as you can see a media madhouse. He had to push through a warm of media. Shouted, reporters got shoved, questions in multiple languages. I got hit in the head with a camera. Par for the course in new york. Here with us now, one of the reporters who also deserves combat pay, hallie jackson, who covers cruz. For the record, not my camera that hit you in the head. So you say. Allegedly. One of your many cams that was there almost hit me in the head. So you asked about what i was going to ask about if i had been called on, which is cruz talking about new york values as a negative thing. How does a guy who trashes new york, including today a little bit, mostly trash new york liberals. Thats what it is. Appealing to new yorkers. For two and a half months, you said it mark and you heard it from him today. He is shifting a little bit, right. He is calling it liberal Democratic Values that just so happen to be here in new york. So he is trying to make the case to conservatives in places like western new york. Which is another place he talked about. Did you notice that . He said, hey, people in western new york, they get what im talking about. Its the same argument that he made against donald trump months ago and talked about pennsylvania, which is another place he wants to go and compete. The Campaign Sees this as the second phase in its strategy now, that cruz has been able to show with wins in iowa and utah, he can bring together the evangelical vote, the conservative vote and they need to show and theyre hoping wisconsin proves that, they can pick up moderates, conservatives, bring together the 60 they say of the Republican Party who wants to try to stop donald trump. So cruzs people are smart, right, a smart campaign. Well organized. Well organized. Weve got a situation we talked about earlier on the show. The Congressional Districts that have the highest education level, and therefore, maybe less prone to the trump message, are basically in the five bureaus, right around here. So these are not particularly hospitable areas. What does cruz do to unlock the demographic and geographic riddle that is new york. First acknowledging a