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Here we go. Happy friday sports fans, as they say across the pond, happy friday sports fans oh, and cheerio and pip pip. We start our show with british flavor because of what donald trump said about David Cameron during a classic trump phoner on morning joe. In the spirit of sump truch tru phoners we brought along our phone booth in case he calls. On a day thats been consumed mostly by egyptair. Not a lot of political news is breaking through. What donald trump said about the Prime Minister would be big news but they have not been the best of friend. Cameron has called trumps proposal for a temporary ban on muslim. Devisive stupid and wrong. And trump fired back this week telling gmb, that is, the british version of gma he is not a devisive person and that im not stupid. Okay . Which makes trumps statement about pm cameron this morning, rather interesting. He came after me a little bit. By the way he would like me now to visit 10 downing street. They put out that invitation about two days ago. Ill do just fine with David Cameron. I think hes a nice guy. Ill do just fine. But theyve asked me to visit 10 downing street. I might do it. They put out that statement two days ago according to trump. The Prime Ministers office at 10 downing street responded this afternoon saying it is longstanding practice for the leader to meet with political nominees. There are no confirmed dates end quote for this meeting. Mark, my question to you is, lets just sort of theres room for interpretation here. What trump seems to have said was not clearly right or true. Is he courting much danger you think by playing fast and loose with the facts . The Clinton Campaign thinks so. John padesta, the chairman of the campaign put out a statement pounding on the notion of not being able to trust him. I think we have both talked for a long time about the notion of trump benefitting during the nomination fight when there is national incidents. If there are, i think there could come time in the debates in the fall where trump says something is wrong and National Security could be a problem. In the short term i dont think it is. People who think insulting in some ways the british Prime Minister is going to be a problem for him with electorate, i just dont think thats the case. It may or may not be. I dont think its a good idea for political candidates to lie or to play fast and loose with the facts. We would like to think our president s they should be held accountable when they do. No question about that. I also think that at some point, and again, i dont know when that will be if world opinion, World Leaders around this great globe of ours have start to express a consensus that donald trump is unfit for office, i dont know how it will play with every single voter in america. Its not good. Its not what you want if you have chance of being the president of the united states. Let me tell something to the british people. I happen to know if you think trumps going to win your leaders will start sucking up to him. The brits do that. They do. The british can sometimes theres a british word for that its ungtious. If it looks like las like he going to win in the fall cameron will be his best friend. [ phone ringing ] the operator says the donald wants to Say Something. He knows nothing about me. He knows nothing about what i said. Im not a big fan of his. Take a look at two things look add where our country is where years of him being involved. We are a mess. Number one. I know he has great repstatiuta and all of that. All these guys have been doing this for 15 years look where our country is. We need a new group with better thinking. Thanks for that, mr. Trump. Appreciate the phone call. A sharp response to secretary gates criticism yesterday of trump when he expressed concerns regarding the republican presumptive nominees unpredictable Foreign Policy. Mark, does this put an end, my end, to your oft expressed and i always thought lunatic fantasy that mr. Gates could end up being Donald Trumps running mate . Pretty much. I have been surprised by gates. He was critical of trump and Hillary Clinton. Theres a chance trump will pick someone he insults. The thing is too close. Theres not enough time to patch it up. And trump said today, in a dismissive way he didnt care about gates credentials. Hes been part of the Foreign Policy establishment that ruined Foreign Policy. Probably i was wrong that that was possible. I will say this, i still think someone like gates is trumps best bet to pick a running mate. Trump was feisty this morning on the phone. I dont understand why he picked that fight. Gates was not spoiling for a fight with trump. Trump with off the handle. Part of the reason you had your fantasy is because you were among some reporters including me and others who were told by people in trumps orbit that gates might be a good pick. That points to dissension in trump world. If they were trying to lead trump towards gates, trump slapped back not just gates but some of his own aides. I dont waste my time doing veep reporting in my career. Some people say hes leaning to someone thats not a safe solid pick wow thats a guy ready to be a present. Other would say hes looking at a reckless pick. I tell you one thing, that would be a big mistake. Phone is ringing again. Once again donald trump is rying to reach us. The operator says hes got some more thoughts on egyptair flight 804 and the next with the u. S. National security. We cannot continue to let things like this happen. We are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists and we are this world is changing. And another couple of planes go down, and youre going to have a depression world wide the likes of which youve never seen. Nobodys going to travel. There will be no anything. There will be no communication between countries. Youll have a problem the likes of which youve never seen. Thanks to the call. Lets show our viewers what trump has been tweeting since early this morning. For example, he dedicated five tweets to Hillary Clinton including this where he said, quote, crooked hillary has zero imagination and less stamina. Isis, russia would love for her to be president. Sarca sarcasm. Hillary clinton looks president ial. I dont think so. Four years of obama in our country. Isis laughs. John is trump being what jeb bush called a chaos candidate to his detriment, or is there an actual cohesive world view that could help him in a general election . There may be a cohesive view hes propounding. But its at odds with the views he actually had at the time. Somebody people have got to start saying this, trump cannot maintain that he was always a steadfast opponent of going into iraq. There is documentary evidence he said to howard stern and others he thought we should invade iraq. Libya is more egregious. He made a big deal, and claims he was against it the whole time. If trump wants to Say Something he was for something before, now thinks it was a mistake to invade iraq and libya that would dee fine. You can change your mind. You cant say you were always in one place when there is evidence that proves you werent. On the matter of politics and whether this will catch up and if hes got a world view that can trump hers. She is not the best person equipped to call him on this. Because of voters questions about her own reliability and consistency on issues related to National Security and to economics. I believe that this could all catch up to him. I believe a lot of things hes saying are popular with voters. I agree. The problem is he does not have her credentials. She has issues on Foreign Policy for sure. Being part of a is this an election cycle with credentials matter . For the voters that will probably determine the outcome they might be in a dangerous world. Its a case the Clinton Campaign is going to make. Consistency actually does matter. Again, we know we have to call people into account on what they said in the past versus what theyre saying now. I know weve gone other time but ill say part of the reason why the bob gates thing was a fantasy is that precisely this. He doesnt know what Donald Trumps world view is. Theres no consistency. He doesnt know what donald trump believes and the things donald trump says he believes bob gates disagrees. Were hanging up now on donald trump. Not in a bad way. Just kidding. Coming up two guests who will be here and not on the phone but in the flesh t. Republican establishmentarians right after this. Republican establishmentarians right after this. 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Joining us now two big thinking republicans, not exactly in the same way. A strategist who worked for a couple of bushes a dole and a romney. And live is pete wehner. He was also the deputy speech writer for george w. Bush. His latest piece for commentary, is titled unity isnt a trump card. Alex here, im going to start with you in washington. You say unity for the sake of the will of the people or the sake of unity isnt enough. What is the problem with those who are joining trump for those reasons . Because i think at the end of the day mr. Trump is disqualified from being president. Unity is fine. And i understand it. Most situations it applies in Party Politics the question is unity for what end. Unity for the individual is what needs to be opposed. Unity for Justice Needs to be supported. As far as the will of the people, look, in the selfgoverning country that carries the day. We understand that. But the founders themselves who are deeply worried about the passions of the public and the will of the public is sometimes wrong, the voice of the people is not invoice of god. Theyve gotten it wrong before. Theyll get it wrong again and they may be getting it wrong right now. So i understand the pull of the unity argument and the pull of the will of the people argument. It doesnt trump other arguments. At the end of the day, you have to make a decision whats best for the republic. Just to be clear youre never going to be for trump or clinton youll sit it out . Thats right. Ya employ i dont think im going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Im a conservative shes a liberal. She stands for everything ive been for. Where are you on trump being for him or not . Im in i think i loved pete and i think his arguments are as always persuasive. You know . Theres one argument that i might add to petes next piece and that is that theres another reason for unity. And that is the this country is an airplane headed for the mountain. A lot of people are concerned that we may reach a place from which we cannot return. And that we need someone to change direction now or there wont be a country that we can restore. So i think in one way, those of us in the establishment are have been a little disconnected from that sense of urgency that the American People feel, so its not about unity for unitys sake. Bring in the turn around ceo, save a business from bankruptcy or there wont be a business. Alex i wont speak for pete, one of the things he makes his argumentment if you want to make a argument about trump versus clinton on the merits, the notion for party unity doesnt make any sense. Heres my question. We talked about this all throughout the 2015, republican nomination fight. You had deep concerns about Donald Trumps suitability for the office, about whether this guy could be entrusted with the nuclear codes. What is it that changed about trump that makes it okay with you in that office . Something has changed about trump and the situation. I lost. My other choices didnt make it. Now i have a binary choice. And that choice is to continue in the direction more of the same which i think is threatening to the country. And, you know, socialism, the extension of socialism in america i think is deadly. Thats one thing thats changed. The other thing thats changed is i have seen donald trump throughout this campaign. And ive seen things that i like. Ive seen the family hes raised. And that tells me something i think about the man. I think ive seen him ive talked to business associates. Theres a loyalty in the man that ive come to appreciate. Ive seen his loyalty to voters. And his respect for voters. You know, when its easy to throw voters under the bus because theyre being politically incorrect. Little people are making too much noise at the dinner party he doesnt throw the voter under the bus. Do i still have concerns . Absolutely i do. Do they pale i think in comparison to the urgency of the situation which is something i think pete should address in his next piece. Let me ask you to address it now. I get where you are on trump, right . Abstaining not kind of a cop out . There is a binary choice. For conservatives like you or like jeb bush im not under a moral obligation to vote. I cant vote for clinton. How are you going to feel on election day when donald trump is sitting there in the oval office when you abstained in part allowed that to happen . Its a fair question. I havent gotten to the final decision yet. Im saying im not going to vote for trump. What im saying i do think Hillary Clinton is problematic. We dont disagree on Hillary Clinton and her demerits, her faults, her vices. Where we disagree is on mr. Trump. The situation changed. I think hes wrong. I dont think donald trump has changed. Theres nothing about mr. Trump in terms of his attitude, pronouncements, actions that is any different than its been before. He himself has said hes not going to change. He used the analogy of the mountain. I agree were in trouble. I think we do need the change the direction. The problem is with the trump guiding an airplane well hit the mountain sooner and faster and harder than we would otherwise do it. I want to say one thing on trump. Ive been in a lot of debates with people im in a minority in my party. The difference here, the kind of Inflection Point if you will on trump is the judgment about his temperment. His sensibilities. His prudence his judgment. I think hes not only worse than Hillary Clinton hes in a category all hes own. Hes crude, i think hes cruel. I think he has a personality disorder. Hes narcissistic. And i think he is dangerous. I really believe if he were president he is erratic and would be a danger to the republic. Hes a danger to the republican party. Everything weve fought for is being washed away. The movement is not conservatism. I dont think that the argument is dispositive as it comes to the republican party. The country is more important. On both of those things, that is the republic and the republican party. I think donald trump is a real and present threat. I would add one thing, too, though. If we think the country is in a revolt now and has turned to the choices it has now, wait eight years, if we continue to go in the same direction eight years of stagnation, the world seems to be setting itself on fire, dissolving in front of our eyes, think what the choices that america might make then. So i think theres some urgency to the moment right now. Pete, i know you dont like trump, is there somebody he pick as his running mate that would make you feel better in case he did win . I havent given it much fought because it wouldnt make me feel better. Hes, obviously, going to go in his own direction and way. There are a number of people utt there that are impressive and good. At the end of the day, as you know, these decisions are almost always made by the top of the ticket. Kennedy and johnson in 60 was the last one where the Vice President played a difference. Im not under any allusions that a Vice President is going to mitigation the worst tendencies of donald trump. It daent matter to me. Sounded to my ears like you might vote for Hillary Clinton. We wont make you say that today. Im saying no, but given where trump is going, its possible i can be persuaded. Thank you so much, were going to be right back with a romney ryan policy director lonny chen right after this. So when your symptoms start. Doctors recommend taking nondrowsy claritin every day of your allergy season for continuous relief. With claritin you get powerful nondrowsy relief, 24 hours a day, day after day. And with fewer symptoms to distract you. You can focus on the extraordinary things you do. Every single day. 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