Transcripts For SFGTV BOS Govt Audits And Oversight 102816 2

SFGTV BOS Govt Audits And Oversight 102816 October 30, 2016

Fill area has sunk more than double the original projections of 4 to 6 inches to 16 inches and is payroll titling two inches towards northwest and further we understand that it will continue to sink up to 32 inches and further exacerbating at the base frankly the september hearing didnt guess as well to recap i was disappointed with the lack of transparency and the followup from our department of building inspection and throughout the hearing was fulfilled by contradictory responses to our line of questions and the hands off approach by the department to anything outside of a complaint which still is absent behalf egging we want to spend a few minutes talking about why the department is solely complaint driven in the intervening 5 weeks some progress were in position of a letter from the department of building inspection that was issued yesterday that speaks to some broader policy changes which well discuss a little bit and also as i think were all aware yesterday the department of building inspection issued notice of violations as to certain features at the building that or suffering from the effects of that sinking we have flexible taken steps at the board of supervisors introducing a 200 and 50 thousand for consultants to provide guidance to our department of Emergency Management as well as the department of building inspection and he introduced legislation to form a seismically group after uc berkley a Tall Building Initiative Since the last hearing the citys board of appeals that a subdivision of this prosecuted has received one and 70 owners demanded their property tax are reassessed based on the real or preserved value of their unit and, of course, the City Attorney has issued a number of subpoena panes to determine what disclosed windows and units were theyre sold as you recall we know as early as of february of 2009 millennium and the department of building inspection knew that the, was not performing up to the projections that trespassed well the technology firmer so forth in 2005 i want to give director tom huhuh the time to make opening remarks and a series of questions for some of the Department Staff mr. Hui. Good morning, supervisors thank you for having me. To just want you up to the september you know the hearing first of all, i want to say our department you know the goal is make sure the safety of the public and property we are responsible for 200 thousand building with singlefamily to high rise ill elaborate with the 301 mission resident and make sure you know their belief is safe thats my job my duty to make sure of it and insure any department is more transparent and also you know to make sure the safety is the number one priority for the department from this incident i still continue to go to the root of it how to improve our courses and how to make the policies more transparent and to know thank the public for the san franciscans and express we feel residents and owner last month or so will the action plan you outlined from our you know chronologically event first of all. The Selection Process 82 and 83 i immediately in october the meeting to im endorsed administratively to have the selection of reveal panel to be selected by the department basically independent and this is only beginning we will do more and improve the ab 82 and 83 million we worked with Zoning Administrator office to work with them to try to get an independent panel to study all the data from the you know for 301 mission and also to reveal any submittal by the vera developer and the Homeowner Association we ask the Homeowners Association as you may know youre aware of last month the attorney for the association say thank you cant contact us 5 times and then we find out they sent to wrong address thats okay we after the meeting we have flexible a merging with them and come up with a plan they need to monthly to send us the updates you know because they hired the technical engineer to monitor the situation and come up with a plan also you know at the department we are open to me suggestion by the public this is potential and then we can Work Together to work the goal and we i commit to work with the supervisors and the Mayors Office and the Zoning Administrators office and to try to find out how we can resolve that issue and get all the data thats my you know job to make sure that everything done right and well be transparent and anything we always will be informed of that committee and the board of supervisors and my commission and everyone and the bill will help me to have read the statements i know a little bit of confusion thats my fault learn from this incident and from from the bottom of my heart i want to help to resolve that with the board of supervisors and the mayor and everyone to get this resolved im happy to hear from mr. Strong but ill repeat what i heard the Department Going forward will require a developer to pay the department the department in turn will hire the geotech or hire and instruct the peer reviewers is that what ill elaborate hearing. Today, the developer will pay the consultant directly but right now, im still working on it because i will come up with an idea at least the number of expertise in different areas and picked by our department and the developer need to pay us in our account and well be paid directly to the Peer Review Panel there will be no you know something people have flexible a rumor or the developer pay the consultant they maybe you know have flexible their opinion and director hui when do you have flexible it is going procedures in place. First of all, it is in place but it takes time to find out how many consultants because beside the geotechnical they make and some of the life safety issues like the you know smoke controller and all those we need to erase he will try to do it as quickly as possible we need to go through those bound by the rules. In terms of timing any projects that are subject to peer review any about to be Peer Reviewed. Right now there is no some ongoing i dont know the exact number the one coming in and out right now the procedure we need to do. With regards to the hamburger report you furnd or firebird to the board of supervisors and the Mayors Office that was Peer Reviewed who is peer reviewing is that an instance the department is hiring that peer reviewer. We have flexible one preliminary were waiting for the peer group to reveal that report we want to have flexible an Expert Opinion virtually to reveal that. Okay im going to turn it over to and bill and ask you a few questions. Thank you, bill strong local Agency Formation commission ill add respect to the hamburger report once the panel is in review theyll look at the documents and request for source data than available to us right now that it is in mr. Hamburgs position the other point the director didnt talk about we have flexible also started implementing a new records retention policy with respect to all engineering letters that are tied to future and Tall Building Construction Projects and those will be kept with the projects inspection records and made more readily have youable by both dbi staff and the members of the public. Weve discussed for sometime that it is scientifically complicate were finding phases of objecting all the details and once the pier review folks are in place to review some of the data points and assessments that are coming forward from mr. Hamburg or patrick well pubically be is a better position how to move forward with what is an important issue. Mr. Strong by timeframes you exterminate mr. Hamburgs report to be reviewed. As director hui was saying getting the panel yes, maam paneled i dont know if were looking at another 2 or 4 weeks but certainly happily report back to you as soon as we have flexible a number we can rile. Can you address beyond the steps of the hamburg report are taken to have flexible complete stabilization of the 301 building street. I dont know if we very specific stuff. Supervisor supervisor peskin first of all, our department can not recommend how to you know stabilize the building and once we have flexible the pier rectify panel and well also one of the items we ask the developer to come up with a plan how to do it you know to stabilize that right now you know from their report they say safe but we need owe independent look to review the data and ask more questions. Mr. Hui on september if you guys wrote a letter to Millennium Partners to Shawn Jeffries Vice President in our capacity as the chief that Building Official with regards to them so on and so forth some remedial action plans and wanted to response in 5 days from september 23rd what have we gotten beyond the ham allergy report of october 3rd. Supervisor i can tell you weve received open september 28th about one and 40 files that constituted 4 thousand pages of documents we have been going through those documents to see if theres any information that is germane to what is going on with the settling i dont believe weve completed that review given the volume but that again is a series of Technical Information we will make available to the Peer Review Group as director hui was saying. Director hui have flexible you reviewed the 2016 hamburger report. I briefly looked at that but asked you know my team my principle engineer tom and my Civil Engineer gary to review it. All right. Who should i ask questions about the hamburger report to it is interesting the 2014 draft report slis you intended in our report you sent us yesterday in midjuly you ended up with a copy of the draft report how did you get that. Yeah. I called ron and then ms. Johnson saying have flexible someone delivered to my office an july 20th you know sent to us and right away gave to my team. Ms. Johnson Karen Johnson is that who youre referring to. Yes. Thats correct. And has anyone reviewed the 2016 as compared to the 2014 draft report. Yes. Hanson and. Gary is not here but hanson is maybe we can ask you a few questions about that. Good afternoon supervisor good afternoon mr. Tom the 2014 report clearly makes some recommendations as to actions that could be undertaken by millennium to stabilize the building all of that is scrub out of 2016 final Foundation Settlement investigation did you notice that. Yes. What did you make of that. The 2014 report does spell out some remedial measures that can be done like settling the foundations some of that that duck tile beams and something in the locations below the basement levels when he read that when i read the 2016 report it is not there all they say is just the building is safe at the time of the report. And as a builder inspector what do you think about that mr. Tom. Well, this is a very complicated building first, the settlement issue and the report bye bye mr. Juan hamburger has reduced it by invited it by enforcement modeling and computer hardware when you build a come putter modeling you have flexible to have flexible a lot of experience to build the computer modeling and have flexible a lot of engineering assumptions so those assumptions modeling i feel you have flexible to be review it by Expert Panel Review team is age mature to make a judgment i know our directors there will be a review team headed by the chief Administrators Office i hope that will be pretty quick. I appreciate that im not talking about complex modeling but the fact the same author relatively to the same building two years earlier suggests is set of measures to endorse the map for reducing the damage by installing cement outward and by 2016 when we all the building has continued to sink and tilt in guess not about whether or not were doing complex modeling by any desire by the developers for the city to come up with remedial measures. I think that is a good question supervisor peskin but they removed that recommendation in that 2016 report you know so i noticed that the difference in the two reports. Did you notice other differences he noticed a few in exemplary that it looks like that is extremely lawyered i hope give us you a concern clearly the changes from 2014 to 2016 i can give you any number including changes the tenses for example, in the first hamburger report written in the introduction it was d water the zones increased resulting in an increase in stress on the deposits and the consolidation of those soils that ruled in total and differential settles and indeed in the second report they changed the verbiage to this consolidation would in turn rudiment in total differential settlement across the site the whole verbiage i hope the department looks like this report acknowledges the fact it is written by Millennium Partners in an attempt to absolve themselves and point fingers added others parties rather than dealing with what we know by their own admission the building sunk in 20093 inches; right . And hanson or mr. Tom while weve got you up here your august 2016 memo entitled the 30 is permit review identifies professor jack of the uc berkley and Structural Engineer as two outside highly respected experts was it dbis even though the building was designed under a prescribe active design but i say height of the building and the complexity of the system needs another review at the beginning the building but this is a code pro descriptive design i want them to at least go to a Peer Review Panel at the time it was a significant building but they only agree on the structural system reelevated i brought up the fact that the Computer System they use it is everybody on the then computer modeling you really have flexible to have flexible a very good knowledge of structural behavior and a good knowledge about matching precise exact as possible to the real structure and that really take a lot of knowledge in engineering so at the time i told them i wanted people to review the modeling we dont have flexible that kind of expertise in the department they finally agree. Mr. Tom in reality isnt it true that the department as a as a matter of law have the ability to subject anything to outside party review. Not really just like supervisor you have flexible to the ordinance we have flexible the ordinance and put it in a cod and able to use it for certain buildings in a slope area that we can have a pay review if we dont have flexible that kind of ordinance in the Building Code we cant choices we feel not under the code so it is not really proper for us to force people you need to review that. Mr. Tom isnt there a provision of the code that requires the staff to give peer review in any extra ordinary project. Yes. Under the alternative design methods yeah, we have flexible that. Indeed you can utilities that for a code proscribed project if you choose. At the time at the time we say this is a significant building we want to hold a review panel they say you have flexible no authority because of the we use the code compliant design. But in reality as a sfmta theres nothing that requires you to issue a Building Permit hey, if i dont do geotechnical review were not going to give you a code. We have flexible germane in the code from the code doesnt give us the authority we cant just independently dont think who you all say we have flexible to have flexible a review panel thats contrary enforcing action of our authority. But in reality portions of the to projectile were not code proscribed the Foundation System was not code proscribed. Yes. Thats why they change the detailing on the bow grip by utilizing the bow grip i stopped the projects and went through a very vigorous analysis and tested with the professor help and we finally get that to our satisfaction that we were able to allow them to use only under this specific projects mr. Tom you were also involved in the ada the project that was going on almost at the same time. Supervisor peskin i take the liberty of revealing the data i find out that project has a lethal i didnt history there were two other two site permits prior to the one i take over in 2003 when i look at the record in 2003 that building is built almost exactly like the other building. However, it is only with without the perimeter frame with the concrete core and very similar to the building in the infiniti building we have flexible a revalley on that plus the patoma building and it is exceptional to have a train highrise thats why i invoked the panel it was not a code proscribed design it was plus the train tunnels go through that. What did we find out during that peer review. I have flexible 3 professor bailey, mr. Leon, whats his from. Mit and no graduated from mit joseph and also doctor whos the expert inform soil interaction ross are the 3 panel i was the city began to look at the site so not that much of a period you bring on at that stage. Mr. Tom do you recall the letters from the mitts professors charles and andrew including it will sink as much as 11 inches. I tried to front the information and go through the records i have flexible i cant find me settlement records that relate to that. I can show you all sorts of documentation including but not limited to the declaration of former dbi mr. Chiu dated ill tell you what the date it is dated october 4th of 2004 with regards to why he suspended the permit for aiding patoma and it is Steering Wheel similar to 301 Mission Street how many feet apart if patoma and ada street whats our guess. About 2000 feet away. Very close. And it is a 52 concrete tower last week, a 58 concrete tower the geotechnical consultant that engineers the same as at 301 but here he so forth document before 9 court that a cre

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