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That's no beginner by the band Serengeti But what you're hearing there is the vinyl version played on a turntable vinyl was declared dead a relic of the age before music and most everything else that we consume was converted to ones and zeros and downloaded or streamed but the reports of vinyl death it turns out were exaggerated despite digital dominance analog musical forms continue to draw consumers and while digital allows people to listen to music with unprecedented ease a lot of people more and more in fact find they want music they can hold and touch and own it was Record Store Day last month an annual week celebrating vinyl and during that period more than 825000 albums were sold according to Nielsen music that's the 3rd largest sales week for vinyl since 1991 the cassette tapes are also on the rise and some artists are turning or or returning as it were to analog recording practices the bottom line is that analog is. Back How record stores drawing in a new generation of customers and what's the appeal of analog music did exacts writes all about this in his book revenge of analog real things and why they matter he joins me from a studio in Toronto David welcome thank you great having you know you wrote revenge of analog 2 and a half years ago and since that time 3 record stores have opened within a mile of where I live in Washington d.c. So you are on the leading edge of something that looks like a very real trend yet it's interesting I was in. New Hampshire yesterday in the town of Portsmouth which is a small city that I've never been to and within a 3 block radius that I was walking in for 10 minutes there was a board game store to book stores and 3 record stores and they were actually having an analog themed weekend this weekend and you see this sort of all over not just the United States North America but around the world I mean the the resurgence of vinyl records has been marked by the return of record stores I live in Toronto which is one of the cities that has sort of the densest concentrations of record stores outside of Europe pretty much and it's a phenomenon that you can see and feel and of course here is this just nostalgia though boardgames records things from the eighty's and before nostalgia is not new is something different here Mr Elder's not new and I think there is an element of mystery at play at it but you know the style just wouldn't account for this phenomenon growing year over year without stopping for more than a decade really since 2007 when the revival of vinyl began in terms of sales and the style to a doesn't account for the fact that the people who are driving this are not those who grew up with vinyl in the 1960 s. 1970 s. My parents' generation the baby boomers it's their kids it's people who are in their thirty's people who are in their twenty's even teenagers. Who are the ones that are driving the sales of new vinyl records of do turntables and of these other analog technologies that have been resurgent Well Ed wrote us on Facebook my son bought me a turntable last Christmas it sounds like Ed son was on to something that maybe Ed had forgotten about he says I'm still playing my vinyl from the eighty's and we asked you one of the listeners what your experiences with analog formats have been like in music here's some of what you said and calling from Colorado Springs Colorado I actually really enjoyed by vinyl records not even necessarily just new because I enjoy using it as a form of art working my home for a long time when I lived in New York City I would go to concerts of the artists who had those records and I would try to get them signed so it helps kind of cement that memory for me that's definitely not something you can do with a streaming subscription My name's Blake I'm calling from square in Washington I like going to the record store I like looking through the vinyl I like looking through the C.D.'s I love the sound of vinyl I actually really like the sound of cds especially compared to digital downloads most digital downloads sound a little bit over compressed Plus I like sitting down and reading the lighter notes and looking at the cover this is Katie from Balor go Michigan just calling to talk about how Binal is actually a really big part of my life and my boyfriend's life and we actually find we enjoy listening to it especially with his dad my boyfriend's dad loves final and the huge collection that they sway for us to connect with him and we also enjoy the newer final that's being printed because we enjoy model music heavy metal and a lot of bands we enjoy. Are doing vinyl now with beautiful album art which is I think also really inspiring the craft of album art and now it's kind of resurfacing with vinyl and we also enjoy hearing our music and kind of an older format of sounds David sex music. To your ears I'd bet because there's a big group of one and listeners who are all describing something tactile something tangible something real about having vinyl in their lives and you know what was interesting is you know a couple of those people were of course all over the country and not just in big cities but you know and in smaller cities and even towns are we're talking about it not just in the sense of the sonic quality of it but actually the full experience and part of that experience is going to the record store and discovering music in a way that's also analog right by talking to people by flipping through 2 weeks ago I was in Seattle and I went to Capitol Hill Records which is you know this fantastic massive record store there and I walked into a place that has thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of records spend hours in I said to the guy you know I'm visiting from Toronto I'm here in Seattle just for a day you know what are some good local bands what is some good music that that you can point me to it's like oh do you like hip hop Yeah here you know here's this here's this great indie female hip hop group this one is called stabs the boss or something like that and this is one inexperience at a memory that I have this record I know it's from Seattle it's you can't get it there the other thing is how the heck would I ever find that on Spotify with what I There's no algorithm that allows me to type in Seattle female in the hip hop and even if there was why would I sort of go out of my way to do that it's not something that I knew I wanted to tell I was there and that's you know when I traveled that's the kind of souvenirs that I go I go record hunting in different cities around the world because it's this great way to sort of interact with people get a taste of culture a new you have something you have a relationship with that object that's very different than the relationship you have with just the pure music and the sound that you can get digitally also the connection in the conversation with. The record store clerk the person who along with vinyl I think was assigned to the dustbin of history you can't really chat record store clerk on Spotify and get advice on on what's hot locally No And I think even you know with social media where of course you can say I'm looking for recommendations for new bands or new music you'll get things that'll pop up in your feed your friends will give you suggestions or the crowd of Twitter or Instagram but it's very different right it's not a personalized recommendation and it's not one that happens in the same way that allows you to have that other part of joy which is the conversation which is that face to face write you you get into a conversation with that person at that store you build a relationship if it's a local store they could become a friend they could become a romantic interest they could become someone who you end up talking to things about that aren't just music those are all the let's say and celery benefits of this revival that that goes far beyond the sonic quality or the ease of the music Well David is a part of the pleasure I know the difference between a record and my i Phone of course but but take a 2nd and just give us the difference between analog and digital and why they're different. Well you know you can get into very technical definitions and I think the most basic one is you know digital is anything that requires a computer in and translates the language of the world of the physical tact our world into ones and zeros and different combinations that's what allows you to listen to music in your car that's beamed from a server in Sweden Spotify you know that that has that music there analog is the physical sound wave of that music that has been. In a kind of waffle press into a piece of part plastic and then you play that you know with a with a needle that sort of creates electro static energy and picks up those those sounds as it balances up and down those grooves and so it's literally the physical imprint of that sound file in this piece of plastic but David you're not a Luddite right you're not you're not dissing digital. No And you know when I get from here and go back into my car I'm going to go listen to. Whatever the heck the name and as it does the interim music that I absolutely love my spotify after hearing it in my car because I don't have a turntable in my car or a cassette player but I've done all tonight I'll play that album in my house because I liked it so much when I listened to it Spotify after hearing it on an n.p.r. Show Mind you for the 1st time I went out and bought it for you know $25.00 at my local record store. Dave sax is author of the revenge of analog real things and why they matter we got this message from Kristen on Facebook you can't talk about the current record industry without talking about Jack White and 3rd Man Records he made vinyl fun and collectible again he opened a record pressing plant in Detroit and people are paying attention again because of him Well Kristen don't worry because we are going to talk about Jack White and 3rd Man Records in detail after a short break because we're going to bring in some folks from the music industry to share more about what's going on behind the scenes in the analog world in addition to what Dave sax is listening to and covering in revenge of analog real things and why they matter and we've got plenty of music for you as well on the way out of this break we're going to hear music that we transferred from vinyl in order to play for you on this broadcast Here's a little bit of the Neville Brothers tell it like it is. To have. A tune. 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You are paying a fee to sort of lease that music on a per listen basis and that's fine for people but I think $1.00 of the drivers of the sort of resurgence of vinyl records over the past decade has been that inherent desire for us to sort of collect and own things we we were sort of promised by Silicon Valley that we could do away with ownership and certain generations you know there was all these there's always this new story of you know millennial don't want to own cars houses things anymore they don't care about possessions but then it turns out that people actually do like possessions and do like owning things and I think with music which is something that we have a very personal emotional connection to just like books in a way we like to own it we like to display it we'd like to have it there write it there's no logical reason why this is other than that emotional desire to sort of possess this thing that gives us so much pleasure Well I want to bring in a couple of more voices to this conversation now both from different arenas of the music industry bill scabby is head of 3rd Man Records the new official mastering studio in Detroit Michigan 3rd Man Records was started by rock musician Jack White he joins us from the great Public Radio in Detroit Bill you were asked for a 3rd man was asked for by name welcome Hi Thanks for having me here great having you too David Kirk house he is also here he's a writer musician from the band Galaxy 500 He's the podcast host of red. Topi is the ways of hearing looking at shifting experience around the move from analog to digital He has a forthcoming book coming out on his podcast he joins us from n.p.r. Studios in New York David great to have you as well thanks for inviting me Well Bill one of the listeners asked for 3rd man by name so I'm glad you're here you're in the business of preserving the vinyl record as an art form can you tell us a little bit about 3rd Man Records what you're up to there and why it means so much in Detroit sure I mean what we do at our location in Detroit is that we have a mastering studio and that's what I I mean that audience near there and we take files and tapes and we turn them in to the 1st part of production for vinyl L.P.'s so I cut the lacquer that eventually becomes the stamper that smashes the vinyl together and so I'm finishing records and it's an amazing process to take something that's coming in as a digital file and then putting it onto the wax you can hear the difference why is it important to do I mean when you go to work every day and and the boss Jack White sends you to work every day you've got a big facility there lots of people why do it because it's amazing I mean it's something you know it's a translation I think we're poised on the on the precipice of going into the virtual world you know we see it every day with our i Phones and and Pads and tablets and everything and this is this is you know a stand against that it's about staying present in the 33 dimensional world and that this is something that you know directly directly correlates to that and what I know you're in the mastering studio but I'm sure you get out from behind there pretty often is that the spirit of the people who come around and and hang out at 3rd man there's a retail space there's a concert space as I understand it so it's not just you in a in a lab pressing on x. No no there's a there we have 30 or 40 people working a pressing plant you can come in view so you can see people actually making the records they're out there working the presses we have 13 presses and then there's a retail space in the front we have the stage and so one of the things that we can do is we can take a live. Formants and we can record it direct to disk which means that I can record it directly down to a lacquer disc that gets sent off played and comes back as a record without any interference no digital nothing in between mixing console David Caskey tell us a little bit about the manufacturers perspective is is the marketing shift to include more analog formats people aren't just putting out streaming they're doing more what's going on in the market well you know I think the truth is that we're all doing both and I really appreciate that Bill mention the word translation because I think that's that's key because the fact is that we're not it's not a choice we're actually dealing in digital analog both all the time I mean to hear anything that's that sought of all whether you're using a digital medium to to access information you still have to reach translated to analog headphones speakers those are analog tools so we don't just go one way in this process and I think that for most musicians now you also can't stay 100 percent in the analog realm I mean I admire