White supremacists and i was sick to my stomach. My daughters are in the next room playing and im thinking, how can i explain to them theres so much hatred in this world . Theyre 2 years old and 4 years old. They dont know what hate is. They go to the playground and they have friends of all races and backgrounds they just play and they laugh and they have fun. But as kids grow up, they need people to look up to, to show them whats right and good. They need parents and teachers. And they need leaders who appeal to the best in us. The fact that it took the president two days to come out and clearly denounce racist and White Supremacists is shameful. And i think he finally spoke out because people everywhere stood up and said something. Its important for everyone, especially white people in this country, to speak out against this. Ignoring it is just as bad as supporting it. And remember, there are people who have given their lives to make sure this kind of hate doesnt spread. They fought and died on the right side of history. One brave woman in charlottesville, heather heyer, died standing up for whats right at the age of 32. I cant look at my beautiful, growing, curious daughters and say nothing when this kind of thing is happening. We all need to stand against what is wrong, acknowledge that racism exists, and stand up for what is right and civil and kind. And to show the next generation that we havent forgotten how hard people have fought for human rights. We cannot do this. We cant go backwards. We cant go backwards. Thank you all for watching and listening. This is the tonight show and well be right back. Um. Im babysitting. Thatll be 50 bucks. You said 30 dollars. Yeah, well it was 30 before my fees, like the pizzaordering fee and the dogsitting fee. And the rummage through your closet fee. Are those my heels . Yeah yeah, were the same size. In shoes. 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So we got our new he washing machine but it took forever turns out it wasnt the machine, it was our detergent. So we switched to tide turbo clean. Now we get way cleaner clothes way faster he turbo clean. 6x the cleaning power in 1 2 the time [ cheers and applause ] jimmy welcome back, everybody. It is monday. We are so happy to be back. What a great crowd. Thank you very much for being here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] i appreciate that. We have got a big week of shows ahead. Tomorrow night, keeganmichael key and leslie jones will be here. [ cheers and applause ] and were all going to play a a game of true confessions. Be sure to tune in for that, and then later this week, katie holmes, rami malek, and jon hamm will all be joining us. [ cheers and applause ] its going to be great, but we have a great show tonight. From the night of and girls, double emmy nominated riz ahmed is on the show tonight. [ cheers and applause ] double whammy, and we have great music from chord overstreet. [ applause ] jimmy but our first guest is an Academy Award winning actress. She was also nominated for an emmy for her work in the fx series feud bette and joan, you can see her in the new season of ray donovan airing sundays at 9pm on showtime. Everyone please welcome, Susan Sarandon [ cheers and applause ] jimmy the one and only. The one and only susan look at that. New york city. That is so moving. I didnt even bring my daughter anything, and theyre standing up. Jimmy standing up. Thank you. Jimmy exactly, they just love you. Thank you. Jimmy welcome back to the show. You look gorgeous. Thanks. Thank you. I made an effort for sure. [ light laughter ] jimmy thank you for being here. Its tough doing a show on nights like this because its yeah. Jimmy its tough telling jokes about that, but how do you take it in when you saw what happened this past weekend . What do well, i think we have to own it. Jimmy yeah. I think we have to admit that this is a systemic problem. I mean, this country was founded on a genocide of native americans, and on the back of slaves, and i dont think weve ever really dealt with that. So this is something that goes very deep, and as you said with your daughters, you know, you have to teach hate. They dont come out that way. So i think that the way you deal with it is to do as much as you can. I mean, on her last post heather said, if you arent outraged then youre not paying attention, and i think this is an amazing opportunity for people to pay attention. Jimmy it is, yeah. And to have these conversations. [ applause ] you know, everyone in mainstream media, the president , everyone was quiet during Standing Rock. Nobody covered that. No one seemed to be outraged that the strip searching and, you know, labeling, and rubber bullets, and people losing eyes, and arms. People didnt even know about that, and until people dont have to say black lives matter were not free. Jimmy yeah. You have to. Youre always an activist. You were well, since ive known you, but have you always been a when did you start im so old that in the day [ light laughter ] when i was going to school, you know, you saw much clearer what was going on. Jimmy yeah. You saw what was happening in vietnam. If you had half a brain, and you were young, and you were idealistic you protested. You saw what was going on in the south with segregation. Now we dont see as much unless youre on alternate you know, democracy now or the young turks, or whatever youre not getting the images. You see, you know, a lot of stuff online and i think thats why the millennials are way, way ahead of everybody else, because they see actually whats going on. So when i was growing up the issues were clearer. As everyone my age became landed gentry, and kind of became the establishment, maybe they were less active, but i guess maybe its i mean, i used to alternate my dolls dresses just to make sure that not one doll got, you know, all the nice dresses. [ light laughter ] jimmy no favoritism. So i have jimmy no favoritism on your doll collection. Yeah. So i have like a really, some kind of innate, sense of justice, and also im in a a profession where youre encouraged to use your imagination, which means that then you have empathy. So then what do you do . So im constantly developing that muscle in my business to identify with people that dont have a voice, or with mothers all over, whether its nicaragua, or whether im not its poor mothers. Or, you know, whats happening now, thats enormous distance between the rich and the poor. Until everybody can make a a descent wage, and get health care, and get education, we cant expect to be a stable country, and a lot of places have been able to do it so we have to ask ourselves whats keeping us from the richest nation in the world, supposedly. Why dont we have these things, and we have to hold people responsible that we elect, and look at their ties to big business and everything else, and whats interesting is that i was reading that the most endangered demographic whos not endangered, but whose life span has been decreasing as others peoples life spans have been increasing are white men. Jimmy really . Yeah. So how frustrated are they . How whats wrong with them that they are [ light laughter ] i see my words coming out in a a bubble that are going to be used later against me. Jimmy do you think like that . I mean, do people a lot of people dont like actors speaking out, or being activist. Yes. So now we have a reality show star as the president . Come on. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] and and we have two of the worst actors, one is president , and one is governor of california. I mean what is it . Just good actors arent supposed to have i dont get it. [ laughter and applause ] jimmy come on. But i guess what im saying is that theres a lot of frustration in this country. No matter what you call yourself, republican or democrat and independent. Jimmy yeah. People are hurting, and theyre not moving forward, and theyre having troubles with their jobs, and they dont have health care, and they dont have a lot of real stuff jimmy yeah. And that is very easy to turn on mexicans, or to turn on blacks. I mean, people that dont deserve to have the blame, and as long as were separate, and were not helping each other, its not going to get better. So what we have to do is reach out whether or not its in your community, in your schools. Definitely check out who youre voting for in terms of who pays them, and then youll know better whats happening. Run for office. Call. [ cheers and applause ] i mean, theres an enormous amount, you know. When you see what happened with the health care, people called and emailed, and made sure that that bill didnt go through. It was the people that did that, and i believe in the people, and i know that we can make a difference if we decide that this is a priority. You know, we have to decide that we want to end racism and injustice. We have to make that a a priority, and then we can do it. Jimmy have you ever lost work, or not gotten work, because youre an activist . I feel that thats kind of like worrying if your slip is showing as youre fleeing a a burning building. [ laughter ] jimmy who cares . [ cheers and applause ] who cares . Yeah. No, but im going to be a a woman much longer than im going to be an actor. Im going to be a mother much longer than ill be an actor. So, i dont know. You have to live an authentic kind life. Thats all im striving for. Just to have fun, to be authentic, to be generous, to be kind. Thats all i want. Im just trying to do all i can to just to do those things. There pretty small, but its not easy, and i feel that if i can help to give information. I dont have the answers, god knows. But if i can by my presence jimmy get the conversation going. Get the conversation going. Get the dialogue going. Thats the beginning, and youre having this dialogue, and people all over are having this dialogue, and having it online, and having it at home, and have it with your kids. And just be aware, and take a a breath, and try not to react in too visceral of a way even though its outrageous. Outrageous, when you saw the police being pushed against, nothing was happening. I mean, that would never happen in a black lives matter demonstration. If they were pushing against the police, and standing there while violence i mean, that would never have flown. Jimmy youve been at protests before. I know that. Right . Yes i have gone from metal handcuffs to the plastic ones. [ light laughter ] jimmy you have been handcuffed. Well of course, they always handcuff when they arrest you. They handcuff you. Jimmy did you get what happened . What happens after you get you get thrown you get taken to jail. And if you [ laughter ] jimmy i mean the paddy wagon . If you they give you sometimes. I mean, not in Standing Rock for instance, but normally they say, okay now is the time people are going to get arrested and so you have a a choice, and usually you can leave if you dont want to get arrested, but if you plan to get arrested then you get arrested, and they take you to somewhere, like a jail. [ laughter ] and hopefully you get out in like seven or eight hours, or whatever. You know, it depends on how fast they process or what the who the mayor is. Sometimes that has something to do with it, and where it is. You know, it was very different in Standing Rock. That was really horrible what happened to those people, because you shouldnt be strip searched for having a peaceful demonstration. So there was harassment, it varies. I mean i shouldnt be glib about it. I have been very lucky when i have been arrested. Jimmy do people recognize you . Sometimes when im chained to a pole they take pictures. [ light laughter ] jimmy what . Do you mind if we take a a picture . Im like sure, why not . Im here. You know. [ laughter ] lets do it. Jimmy so you do it . Like yeah, im here. Im handcuffed anyway. Cheese. [ laughter ] jimmy more with Susan Sarandon when we come back. I have more questions. [ cheers and applause ] a modern way to pay. You excited . Its sold out. Dont fret, my friend. I masterpassed it you can use it online and on your phone i masterpassed it. 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Fading and fuzz with downy fabric conditioner. It smooths and strengthens fibers to protect clothes from the damage of the wash. So your favorite clothes stay your favorite clothes. Downy fabric conditioner. [ cheers and applause ] jimmy welcome back, everybody. We are here with Susan Sarandon right now. [ cheers and applause ] i want to show you i think this might have been the first time we we ever met each other. You mean, that were talking about. Jimmy i know. Yeah. Right. Jimmy hello. This is 2002. This is very pale. [ light laughter ] im a very pale version of me. [ laughter ] you and robin williams. Yeah. Jimmy we were at a [ applause ] where were we at . I dont know. Jimmy my skin is the same color as your pants. Yeah. [ laughter ] jimmy thats how pale i was. We were at a charity thing for, i think, for katie couric. And look now, its not. Jimmy yeah. I got tan. I got a tan. Exactly. [ laughter ] yeah, but i forget what we were talking about. But i used to see you all around at different events and youre always so fun to hang out with. Yeah, thats whats nice about new york. Youre all squished in together. So jimmy yeah. Serendipity. Jimmy and you see . All right. Jimmy and last time you were on the show, we were talking about feud and i when we went to commercial i said, youre going to get an emmy for this thing, because you were fantastic. And you were like, i havent seen it. Dont tell me. I dont know. And, like, you were so shy about it. But i knew it, i knew it, i knew it, i knew it. All right, you were right jimmy i knew i was right yeah. Bette davis it must be exciting even though, i know youve won an Academy Award, but just to get nominated for an emmy. Well, we got 18 nominations. Jimmy come on. So i kind of feel like [ cheers and applause ] yeah. Jimmy thats great. So what makes it really fun because, like, almost everybody, i mean, you know. Ryans Little Cottage industry, everybody got nominated, so i feel like im part of the family and im so happy the tables going to be fun. Jimmy oh, its going to be a fun table. Oh, yeah. Its going to be a fun table so thats what is important. Jimmy but you were nervous doing this doing this role. Because you had to get the breakdown. Oh, i thought you meant going to award shows. I was going to say yeah, getting my dress is a horrible thing. Jimmy yeah, yeah, yeah. [ laughter ] that does make me nervous. I was overwhelmed for six weeks or so my funfear ratio was definitely off. [ light laughter ] i just you know, because everybody has this idea of what shes like and what she sounds like, and its not the way i talk, because im a slow sloppy talker and shes, like, so, you know. And everybodys seen an imitation of her and i dont know, i just i just thought it was good. You know, it was hard. Jimmy yeah. It was really hard. Jimmy especially, coming into, kind of, ryan murphys family which, hes worked with on other people before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was the odd gal out for sure. Jimmy you would sit by yourself at the lunch table. Yeah. Jimmy and like, hi, guys. [ laughter ] yeah. Jimmy want to be my friend . Exactly, yeah. [ laughter ] i just used it. I used it. Jimmy yeah, exactly. What do you really want . The sense of isolation. Jimmy and it was beautiful. The set was great. Yeah, no. Jimmy and the costumes. They did a great job. Jimmy hair and makeup. Everything. And he and he does a a really good bette davis. So he was always helping me. Jimmy oh, is that right . Was he really . And joan crawford, but mostly bette. Jimmy yeah. Yeah. Jimmy and you havent seen the show, right . No. Jimmy no. Im going to dine out on the fact that everybody else loved it, but i dont im not going to see it. Jimmy do you watch your own things or not really . I watch them if i can Say Something that will make a a difference. If i have no control over the final product, then why kill myself and watch it . No, i dont. [ laughter ] jimmy will you really . Will you go like wasnt that like the alcoholic thing, know what you have the power to change or Something Like that . Isnt that . Thats kind of the way i what i brought back. Jimmy i dont know. Yeah. [ laughter ] like sorry. Jimmy yeah is there an alcoholic in the house . Jimmy i dont know what youre talking about. I yeah. [ laughter ] how about ray donovan . Lets talk about that. Oh jimmy yeah. Yeah. And youre great in that one, yeah. Thank you. Jimmy you love doing this. You loved the show. Im really am having a good time. You know, being bad is so much more fun than being good. Jimmy yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [ light laughter ] you know, the burden of sincerity, its so heavy. [ laughter ] and liev has like a word or a sentence cap in every you know, im sure, in every episode. He only can say so many sentences. So you have to talk a lot. [ laughter ] but he is so charismatic. Jimmy he only says, like, five sentences and hes had enough of it. And hes im really having fun and i decided to only try to wear only im the head of a studio. Of course, im being blackmailed. And i need a fixer. Jimmy yeah. But im also starting a a jumpsuit nation. Im only wearing jumpsuits. Like onesies for grown ups. Jimmy from from now on . Yeah well. [ laughter ] pretty much, yeah. Jimmy yeah. Is that a onesie . Is that dont you