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It's been a while since Aaron Sagers has been on coast to coast am too long Erin thank you for reaching out to us. Yeah thanks so much for having me tonight and I'm happy to be back times out perfectly and you didn't you could not have known that I've always been interested in the subject of doppelganger and and what I think of what I perceive anyway is being some the kind of harkens back to a conversation we had many years ago and coast to coast is this How often does like the convergence of a topic it's suddenly starts popping up and just starts bubbling up in all these different platforms and this is one you know kind of Jordan peels movie us was touching on that and did you have a chance to interview Jordan Peele I understand why I'm not actually spoken to him about this yet however I like you I've seen this convergence of this topic it's just sort of popping up everywhere and so you know I decided to research and do a deep dive on it and published a story in The Hollywood Reporter and Jordan Peele promoted that that article so that was quite flattering so i parents he touched on something close to its heart so that's reason I asked was that we had in the. Top of the fold here on coast to coast am dot com was your interview with Jordan Peele on the film us but you're saying but you did but you were contacted them and he was so I'm I'm fascinated by this idea when you talk about doppelganger How are you defining the subject. Well you know it's interesting because I think sort of the modern definition of the doppelganger is really someone that is a double I mean in pop culture right now you know we're seeing anyone that you watch a movie like The Princess switch on Netflix and it's a character that looks precisely like you or when you take part in sort of the winning apps or 20 websites it's you know finding the celebrity that looks like your exact double of how we view it now but the origin of maybe it's a shape shifter maybe it's an entity or even a fairy or or a person perhaps it is a spirit an omen of bad things to come like you're seeing a version of yourself that is a sign of bad thing they're about to befall you to separate their shit I think that's the To me that's what I that was my original understanding of a doppelganger is actually a projection of ourselves and perhaps the scariest notion of that was it's a projection of ourselves that we cannot control yes. That's a no that's just a little different so that's the that idea that it's not just a not just a harbinger of bad news or something like that but it might actually be like a representation of the wrestling like a split within us and part of us is trying to break away perhaps even distance themselves from the the spirit base or the body you know home of the of the of our soul which is trying to get away from us for something that we're doing our not doing in our lives. Yeah and that I mean that certainly is represented in and folklore and so like so much of the mythology of the doppelganger I mean it's evolved over time different cultures sort of apply different meanings to it but that is certainly you know one of the variations of it is that it is ourselves it is ourselves it's our the one who goes twice it is ourself trying to break away. And I I personally I am fascinated by the idea. You know certain Irish and Scandinavian folklore that that suggests that it could be you know something presenting itself as you not the pure version of you but something presenting itself as you for no Feria purposes and how crazy is that idea that there could be someone that looks like you out there. Either trying to confront you personally or out there doing something. Quite bad quite villainous and then you get the blame for it well that's what I believe that's what I'm getting that to this is that then that that concept of doppelganger it may actually be the the you that you're trying to repress and the this part of you breaks free from that and so we perceive it as mischief but it really is perhaps what the are our desires and supplemented where we're actually doing what we want to do but we can't face that that's kind of the that idea of the shadow self that I mentioned last hour with with young that we are most obsessed with the that thing which we deny ourselves that part of ourselves that we're trying to hold back and that maybe that the legends of doppelganger starts from some projection of ourselves and I even like even as I say it I know it sounds crazy but like you know the story of John Donne you know the Renaissance poet John Donne you know I'm talking you know so he has he in his own biography has a story of. His wife's doppelganger visiting him when he was in Paris. She she appeared to him holding a baby at the same time that his wife was back in England and that they had just lost a child she had given birth to a stillborn child in England while he was in Paris and suddenly his wife is standing there or a doppelganger of his wife is standing there holding a child and and it was it was like a projection of her sadness that reached all the way across the continent and he he saw it I mean I think the story goes he tried to speak to the woman and then and then it was gone and then the only later on did he find out that the child had survived birth his wife did so it wasn't like a ghost it wasn't his wife didn't die and in labor but the but but the child did and that's how somehow that was how he they connected over all that space that idea of by location aspect of the doppelganger Yeah and you know there were stories along with that I think it was the spiritualist Robert Dale Owen he wrote a book called footfalls on the boundary of another world this was an $1860.00 and he talked about that Don story he also talked about. A bunch of other like well known people during the time that were experiencing their own doppelgangers and then the one that is most fascinating I think is perhaps right up there with Dunn and Abraham Lincoln apparently experiences on doppelganger as well but there was the tale of a school teacher named Emily Seiji and she was haunted by her or her doppelganger over the course of 16 years and it wasn't it wasn't a moment of bad omen or any kind of prophecy but it was this woman that just was seen constantly around her and it led to her getting. Fired from from schools I didn't like she got fired because of what the doppelganger was doing Yeah well and yeah and like it's not good business when you're saying like oh Miss Miss avi I just saw you in the playground and now you're here and you know the kids were getting to. You know I thought. I hadn't really thought of it that way but I had the weirdest experience of the day I mean I know this is not a doubling or so I mean but but I was never had one of those moments where you see somebody and you you register like exactly what they're wearing this guy had sort of an unusual outfit on and his boots were not tied at the ankle they were loose the tongue was hanging out kind of from the from the boots and he was stepping through slush on his way to a convenience store and the and I I saw him and looking what I was what I was looking I was sort of see whether any slush would get down into his boots as he was stepping over and I thought Oh that would be awful and he didn't but I mean I noticed him and I registered it is like that guy about literally like I swear he was like 60 seconds later I pull up to my parking space and I get out and the guy who looks exactly like him I was like you know legal this cartoon takes moving the can a moment and he had the boots on the whole bit and he was walking in a completely different direction away from that convenience store he wasn't sort of like how did he would have had to have like run around the block to get back to where I saw him and I thought well I must have had it must have taken longer than I realized to park but that was a really freaky like you have a twin do about 100 yards in that direction I didn't say anything because I thought he thought I was crazy but you know I mean those those moments like that where you see somebody and then like seconds later you see them again and I think what is that about it's not days. Maybe that's doppelganger or you know what I think about sort of this very 21st century I guess version of the of the classic novel gangers when I have those experiences I almost kind of wonder like was there a glitch in the matrix Yeah right exactly you know where we just sort of seem the same character because you know a software bug you know right yeah I get that The Matrix exactly informed that that understanding a little bit of the idea that somehow they're just somehow the sum electronically controlled and somebody accidently hit rewind or something it is like we're seeing that tape again I can't explain it but it is truly freaky I will look forward to when we take calls coming up I will really look forward to people talking about doppelganger experiences because I know that we're not the only ones who are interested in this and this other people have caught to be experiencing it in some way have you ever run into the whole thing where somebody says that they know you from something else Yeah and and sometimes people are so when distant about it you know you say oh no I don't think that's me and yes I do have brothers but they don't really look at exactly like me and you try to you know be polite and say No no I don't think that's me but sometimes you are so when you stand about it that it almost is questioning your own reality right maybe maybe you do know a version of me. I had I used to call that can't face because I for a long time I was growing up people say Hey did we go to camp together in there did you go to camp watch a commie or whatever like nope never been there and but that's where it somehow and I thought is there and this is a like this is a totally separate thought from from doppelgangers and I want to get back to the doppelganger of classic myth and whatever pop culture research you're doing on this too. But hey. If you if you ever considered like maybe there's actually just a finite number of ways in which genes can be rearranged and so that there really aren't you know we aren't the the individual snowflakes that we think we are where there's nobody else will take us and maybe there's 8 of us maybe there's you know maybe it's a genetically speaking we're a popular model maybe there's 14 of us out there that really do look exactly the same Yeah and that's actually that's an excellent point and there have been I think it was Cornell University they had a. Neurobiologist that did some studies on this and you know we essentially have limited genetic diversity and you know the sort of like you know notes musical notes like there seems like there is a lot of variety and there is you reach a point where things do just start popping up again so you know we and it's it's kind of tied into the individuality of our species I mean because you don't you may think your dog looks different than a lot of other dogs but there are a lot less diverse right and humans that we do have diversity more diversity than other animals but still there are limitations to the diversity you know that's funny because you've got to figure maybe another dog lo