They came for three reasons, number one, the exposure that College Coaches would come and watch them play. Number two, the competition against the best players in the country. And hopefully they came, and hopefully this was the paramount reason for instruction. Rose Online Education, a new movie called third person, and spotting young basketball talents when we continue. Theres a saying around here you stand behind what you say. Around here, we dont make excuses, we make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it, when you know where to look. Additional funding provided by and by bloomberg. A provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose thur is here. He is the cofounder and c. E. O. Of udacity, an Online Education company. Previously he was head of google x, the research lab for google. He spurned the development of the google driverless car and google class. Udacity announced the first Nanodegree Program in conjunction with at t. It follows an earlier collaboration with the two companies with georgia tech university. I am pleased to have sebastian back at this table. Welcome. Its great seeing you charlie. Rose tell me the journey you have taken in terms of how your evolution in thinking has taken place about Online Education. Well, last year i was full time at google, running google x. , and then i made the mistake of putting my stamford class online. We sent one little email that said you can take this class online for free and get the same exam as the stamford students and we expected 500 students would show pup upon 500, 800. It was a very specialized course on Artificial Intelligence. It was fridays after. Saturday morning we had 5,000 students, monday morning 14,000, showing the first signs of slowing. The dean found out about this and gave me a phone call. Rose what did he say . He said, sebastian, you didnt tell us. We had a long seqeps of conversations if it was okay to put a Course Online and what credentials to give. We had 160,000 students. I have taught a lot students but i would have to live 100 lifetimes to teach 60,000 students. Rose at that point, your perspective was there are a lot of people out there who want to take online courses. I shouldnt miss this, but i was going to a rihanna concert a week later and i looked at a big stadium and there were 40,000 people and i thought thats only 40,000 people. Rose a third of the people taking your Course Online. It was crazy. Rose have you changed your opinion about what can be done and what is necessary to do online . In other words, is that course different from what you do online today . Massively so. Rose thats what im trying to get at. Initially, we did this first massive online course and we werent the only ones and it was a copy of what you do in the classroom pup record yourself, record your lecture, you have a fixed timetraim and deadlines. And i realized when we go to a new medium its as different as television is from radio or film is from the theater stage. And you can do magic that you could never do in a classroom. For example, you can go at your own pace. In a classroom, when you ask a question and you have 200 kids sitting there and someone blurts out the answer it takes away from everybody else and you as a teacher are forced to go at this specific pace you have to do and take these 200 brains with you at this pace. Online, you can wait. You ask a question, and if a student takes 30 trials, its personal fine. It makes it much more interactive, much less like a lecture, and much more like a video game. And it is so different from what you can do in a classroom it completely puts teaching on its head. Rose are there things that you realize that online needed that you didnt necessarily know was necessary . In other words, is there something about the teaching experience that in the beginning when you put it online, it suffered from the absence of being in person . Yeah. So there are things that are very different. There are certainly low points in our work. One was when the first class with 160,000 students started, we only had 23,000 at the end. And the finishing rates went to Something Like 5 . And i asked people, like, why arent you finishing . And some people would say i just wanted to check in, see whats happening, i dont really care. But a huge number of people who seriously cared didnt finish. We had deadlines that wouldnt be consistent with peoples lifestyles. And we found a pure kind of streaming computer lecture isnt quite that great for teaching people something new. So we put people around it. We started playing with having mentors involved and tutor and giving you feedback. And that so you could seek out a tutor to help you on the online course . Yes, its quite amazing actually. You can do almost everything in the classroom online the same way facebook has deep social interactions online. Rose what else have you learned . So much. The number one thing i have learned is we are setting up society, when it comes to education, the same way in the 18th century. Once upon a time people had one job during their lifetime and one slice of education was perfectly sufficient for this. Because you have unemployment and not that much would change. Today, ive met people who have seven different years. And they still have one phase of learning because we havent changed an inch in the Education System. So for the next six years, they dont know what to do. The vast majority of our student are people in midcareer. They have jobs. They want to be able to stay on top they need new skills to add to. In my own field, computer science, every five years, everything becomes obsolete seven years. Rose so how do you keep up in your own field . Its very hard for me. Im very deficient. If i was to interview at google as an engineer i would fail. Rose you wouldnt get a job. No chance. What i learned is so outdateed. Rose im amazed at how you were there at google x. , and then you became gan to experiment with the car, and all that, Driverless Cars and all of that, and you had larrys attention, because hes fasinated by that and learned from you. You were in charge of Artificial Intelligence, and you had robotics and all of these things that are really interesting. And yet you went to education. Why . Well, if you ask yourself the question whats got the biggest impact on society at this point . What is most urgent to be fixed . Education has a dimension thats just mind blowing amazing. If you look at what it means to democratize education and bring it everywhere in the world, there are many, many place wheres people arent privileged to go to harvard and m. I. T. Most of china, most of africa, there are think about what you could do if every person could have a good education and peoples limit is not where they grow up and what access they have to knowledge but their own ability. I think we would do such a great thing with society. Thats basically why im doing it. Rose to marry education to ability and yearning to know more. Yeah. I mean, ive been learning all my life. Im kind of a crazy learner. Im spending my free time learning things. And i think that should be true for most people. People are curious animals. They really care about new things. Where i grew up in germany, they had a fairly good Education System and go to Subsahara Africa and see what chances people have. It drives me crazy that people have no chance there. Rose it does. And the fact that this tool is a liberating agent. Yeah. Even our home country, i got so many emails from people saying mothers who are raising children and say i want to go back into the workforce. I dont know how to do this. People from afghanistan email me. Theyre going through all kind of trouble and udacity is the meansue would answer all of them how you get back in the workforce, how you maintain your place in the workfors is udacity. Wouldnt recommend udacity for everybody. Were specialized in the tech field and were experimenting. But were at the point where people can learn at home. We want learning to be as smooth a fabric as as a toothbrush, something you do twice a day for five minute. Now we can do it. Its not institutionalized. We have nano degrees what do you mean by that . Thats kind of a crazy thing we just did with at t. Its really thinking about what kind of certificates do people need . What kinds of credentials do people need today. And we find we have existing great credentials for young people like bachelors degrees and masters degrees, but they take a long time to do. What we aspire to do is make it short, minimally short so you can get in, learn as efficiently as possible, get the skills you need for the next career, and get out. Ent people to spend a minimum of time with us. And the magic number is more like half a year. Half a year can take a skilled mathematician to you can take a skilled mathematician and do what . Turn him into a programmer. And make him employable in silicon valley. Theres a huge number of open jobs in mobile right now. I envision this thing, this nanodegree is something you do many times in your life. You collect them and stack them. And learning has become shorter and longer, longer because the unit is short ear. Rose whats the partnership with at t . At t is a very forwardlooking companied that really cares about education. They were the signature sponsor in the work with georgia tech when we made masters degrees affordable, from 45 now to 6,000 and theyre sponsoring and building with us this new degree. In fact, they are reserving jobs, internships for the top 100 graduates. So if someone takes this and does well, they will come to at t and work there. Rose so what happens to your huge interest and experience and knowledge with Artificial Intelligence and rothe bottics . Im still extremely interested in it. Chris was here, a wonderful great leader now running the team. And im standing by the sidelines because im busy trying fix education. Thats actually a pretty big job. Rose if you are standing on the sidelines, will lose some sense of you have to make a choice. You have to commit yourself to education or Carry Forward your curiosity . Every morning i make a choice what shoes to wear. We all make choices. And this Education Choice is one i fell into. It wasnt planned, and by email people telling me how important it was that my higher calling had come. Im extremely proud to be doing this. Rose are you surprised it has not gone further than you might have imagined when you first put your toe into the water. It was a thorny path. We had some setbacks, obviously, moments of redwret, moment wheres we chased up a hill and realized its the wrong thill thoil climb up. We worked inside a University System that didnt like us. We learned a lot of technical things. We learned that learn today is much more demanding at home than in a classroom because distraction is much more stronger. But at the same time, we are extremely intrigued having more than two million students, by having enormous Corporate Support from various companies. We have an alliance of about 15 companies that very actively support us. And i feel society is ripe for this. Rose so your audience is people who you you define your audnce. Young professionals, 2435 years old. When we did the masters degree at georgia tech we found most people are in jobs. Theyre a little older than college age. Most People College age go to college but past college age you have no learning opportunity and they come from all different countries. India is our second biggest country. Rose what is your goal to udacity . I want to change the world. I want everybody to have access to highquality education. Moving to mobile devices, tablets and phones as my platform. Ul, were going to be failing because only a third of the people have Broadband Access. But if i even get a third of the people with Broadband Access and wait for the at ts of the world to do the job our customers are young professionals. Its hard to sway a young person to give away the degree and take a udacity nano degree and the the reason is there is not enough trust yet. It will take some time. Eventually i hope every person on the planet will benefit. Rose and they will be as proud a udacity degree as a korea from take your pick. What about in countries like china and whats happening there parallel development to what youre doing . So, in places like india and china, unfortunately, a lot of efforts are to replicate the kind of western Education System. So a lot of new schools are being built. A lot of new universities. Rose at the Higher Education level primarily . Yes, yes. And the sad part is i think theres an opportunity to kind of leapfrog and go straight to a mobile. Rose how are you influenced by the fact that you came from a german educational system rather than an American Educational system . Thats a great question. I always admired the top american universities, and ive been extremely fortunate to have been able to have a role to play at stanford and other places. But i also felt that the exclusivity of the system here is problematic. I mean, i look at where the American Kids really get educated. Its not m. I. T. S and stanfords. Thats a small sliver of people. A huge number of kids go to places that are not of the same quality and often i would say of lower quality than what i experienced in germany. And can then they emerge with this Amazing College debt that drives me really crazy. In germany at least, it was free education. It was taxpayer played. It wasnt particularly great. It was good. But here i would have starting with 100 or more of student debt. And i would have been devastated. Rose its great to have you here. Its a pleasure. Rose thank you. Thank you. Rose paul haggis is an oscarwinning screen writer and director, the first to write backtoback oscar winners. His new film features a highprofile cast and three love stories set in paris, rome, and new york. It is called third person. Here is the trailer. You could be writing about me. Are you. Im writing about one i know. And you know me. Its supposed to be about a man who can only feel through the characters he create, but he keeps trying to be something else. Is she there . No. Hi, daddy. I miss you. My daughter. You have kids . A girl. I dont see her two years. Im sorry for staring. We just need to convince the judge that youre stable enough to get visitation again. What do you want, julia . I need to be able to touch him. He is my son. Yuck. Dont say that. This is daddys work. Watch me. I need you to look at what did you. I need you to face what you cant face, and i need you to tell me the truth. Will you help me . No questions . Tell me. Tell me that you did it. Do you know how long she talked about showing you how she could swim . She was always trying to get your attention. All huto do was watch her and you couldnt even do that. I dont know how to forgive myself. Please. Begging . Come with me. Where . Anywhere. Im never going to let you see him again. No you really dont feel a thing, do you . You love, love. Its people you dont have time for. Rose joining me is one of the films stars and coproducer, marion cotillard. Also paul haggis. I am pleased to have them here at this table. Welcome. Thank you. Rose tell me about the idea of a third person and what it means to you and how it informed this script. We had conversations about this. And we started i mean, to me, and to us, it was the idea that theres a third person in every relationship. You just often dont know who that person is. You think its your motherinlaw. Its actually someone from your past, someone informing that relationship, and sometimes ruining it. But also, i love the idea that liam neesons character, michael, who is a novelist, who is so detached from his own feelings, that he actually journals in the third person. And the question is the interplay between h and his young lover, olivia wilde, who is a young authoress i guess they dont say authoress anymore she is a young author. And they flirt in the third person and sometimes theyre quite cruel to each other that way. Rose how did the working relationship here develop . This started when we were shooting moran had a small role in my last film. It was the last week of shooting and she asked if she could stay on the set. And she had a coup of days off, and i said sure. And during that time youre no fool. Exactly. She said i want to learn directing. And the cameraman was like, this is a lens. Come see my lens. And she started to pitch me idea chiz just found endlessly annoying. And then she said you should do a multiplecharacter, multiple storyline piece about love and relationships. And i thought thats interesting. And then we started talking. And i interviewed her for about 50 hours. We sat down in new york and i interviewed her, and scooted her out and started thinking of myself and it developed from there. Rose so we have three auto biographical stories about you. 13. Its truly absolutely personal but its also what you see in other peoples relationships, and sometimes you judge them. And i think when you grow, you start evaluating those judgmental opinions in a different way. If i didnt like that, what does that about me . And how am i in that, in that dynamic . And there are so many profound questions these characters have to ask about themselves to really be able to surrender to something so terrifying, like love. And i think thats the you have to surrender to love. Surrender to love. Isnt that hard . And beautiful. Rose and then you these ideas that are there and you began to massage these idea. And i wrote for two and a half years. Rose two and a half years. It was ridiculous. Any good writer should be done in six months. Rose evidently the academy thinks youre a pretty good writer. I used to be a good writer. I used it all up then. I just decided to let the characters take me whe