Doing it. Rose we conclude this evening with jessica class stain and oscar isaac talking about their most recent first a most violent year. There was, you know, when i got the script the documentary. I dont know if you saw it the documentary that came out. Rose right. An it was fresh in my mind and i read the script and i sat down with jc and has a fourhour lump and i said, i know it is off the wall but to me he is not the wife, . He is dick cheney and she in this he is the face of the partnership, this is going to sound terrible but in her eyes he is the brain of it and he is going to do the dirty stuff that he wants to be ignorant of and keep him clean. I think ultimately what we are being paid to do is just inhabit a psyche for a certain amount of time and my that out play that meditation out, and how to do that, i am constantly curious about how, what that process is and refining it and like you said, every character is different every single one that you play requires different parts of yourself. Rose congressman john lewis the argument David Oyelowo, the Jessica Chastain and oscar isaac when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. Additional funding provided by and by bloomberg a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose on this day we pay tribute to the life and helping situate of leader of the Civil Rights Movement would have turned 86 on january 15, his commemoration comes at a time of increasing racial tension, public outcry, massive protests were sparked in the aftermath of two grand jury decisions regarding the death of michaelable brown and eric garner new york city those raised new questions about the progress yet to be made in in in achieving kings vision. I dont know what will happen now, we have got some difficulties ahead. But it doesnt matter with me now because i have been to the mountaintop. I dont mind. Like anybody i would like to live a long life, longevity has its place, but i am not concerned about that now. I just want to do gods will and he has allowed me to go up to the mountain and i have looked over and i i have seen the promised land. I may not get there with you, but i want you to know that we as a people will get to the promised land. Rose president obama has both spoken of the challenge of dealing with racism but at the same time has noted that significant progress has been made. This isnt going to be solved overnight. This is something that is deep i are rooted in our society, it is deeply rooted in our history, but the two things that are going to allow us to solve it, number one, is the understanding that we have made progress and so it is important to recognize as painful as these incidents are, we cant equate what is happening now to what was happening 50 years ago, and if you talk to your parent, grandparents uncles they will tell you that, you know things are better not good in some cases but better. And the reason it is important for us to understand progress has been made is that then gives us hope we can make even more progress. Rose this marks the 50th selma mark, dr. King led that march hundreds of Peaceful Protesters set off across the bridge outside selma on march 7, 1965 and attacked and beaten by state police and other in an assault that is known as bloody sunday congressman john lewis helped lead the protesters on that fateful day an was severely beaten. He spoke with jan crawford of cbs this morning about his experience and the legacy of his friend martin. They walked through the shadows of history taking their places where greatness once stood. I have a dream. Delivering a message with enduring power. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up to live out the true meaning of its creed, i have a dream and my four little children. One nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream. For these washington d. C. Students like tenyearold lee i cant jeffers. King shaped their lives. People still have their signs up and people were saying white only and no blacks al allowed, and blacks and whites would never come together. What does it look like now . Now everybody is friends with everybody. We love each other and thats how it is supposed to be. Two generations after the Civil Rights Movement through the teachings of Martin Luther king, jr. , america is a nation changed. For these young people Martin Luther king, is my hero. Congressman john lewis, son of an alabama sharecropper became a leader of the movement inspired by king. He taught us to hate is to have a burden to bear, as young people you must never, ever hate you must never, ever become bitter or hostile. You must be hopeful, you must be optimistic and never never give up. There are those who ask about civil rights, when will you be satisfied . We can never be satisfied as long as the negroes are the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. But in the wake of the death of Michael Brown and eric garner at the hands of police, there is fear the dream for many seem far away. We still have a distance to go before we lay down the scars of racism in america. I truly believe that these young people growing up today in the fifth grade will grow up in a Better Society a different society. We will get it right. Lewis bears those scars nearly 50 years ago in alabama on bloody sunday, he helped lead protesters across the edmond perez bridge. For lewis those memories caused pain. I was wearing a backpack in this backpack i had two books, i thought we would be arrested and go to jail i wanted to have something to read, i had one apple and one orange. I wanted to have something to eat. Instead of arrest and jail, he and others were brutally beaten, his skull fractured. I thought i was going to die. I thought i was going to die. My legs went from under me, i fell, i just thought this is it. And i said to myself, i am going down this bridge. The images shocked america giving a call for religious leaders to come to selma, two years later with federal protection he and other leaders and thousands of people crossed that bridge and on to montgomery a peaceful pro test for the right to vote. Later that Year Congress passed the Voting Rights act. The legacy of dr. King, we how do you even put that into words . Martin luther king, jr. Helped free and liberate not just a people but a nation. Black and white . Black and white and he taught us all so much through his action, his words, he taught us how to live, he taught us how to die. That if you believe in something that is so precious and so necessary you have to stand up for it and speak up and speak out. Let freedom reign. To continue working for that day when all of gods children, black men and white men, protestants and catholics will be able to join hands and sing in the old negro spirituals free at last, free at last, thank god we are free at last. Rose the new film called selma tells the story of the selma to montgomery march, David Oyelowo stars as Martin Luther king, he appeared on this program recently and spoke of the challenges of in, of embodying the legendary figure. Detroit, new york, los angeles and fighting large scale arrests and sympathy marches. I am very aware of that, mr. Hoover. What i do know is, nonviolence is what i need right now. What is Martin Luther king about to do next . Dr. Kay is here. Mr. President , in the south, there have been thousands of racially motivated murders. We need your help, dr. King things are just going to have to wait. They cannot wait. You have big issues, i have 101. Here is the next great battle. Selma is the place. Dr. King. I tell you, that white boy can hit. We will not tolerate orchestrate a disturbance in this state. It is unacceptable that they use their power to keep us voice less. Those that have gone before us say no more. When a man stands up and says enough is enough. We do the best we can rock by rock. We must march we must stand up. You march those people into rural alabamas alabama it is going to be open season. May i have a word . There are no words the people, the people, the people, the people the people there are 70 Million People watching. They, this is going around the world. We must make a massive demonstration. White back and otherwise i heard about the attack of innocent people i could not just stand by. It looks like an army out there. This revolution goes on and on, this revolution goes on and on i have seen the glory glory glory hallelujah. When a man stands up and says enough is enough. Rose what was it about the man that you saw that you knew if you could get that, you would show something about the dimensions of someone who is part of an american struggle but is an American Hero . Well, that is the thing, exactly what you just say there, the man. He was an American Hero but he didnt walk around in his life thinking i am a hero, i am an icon, i am a historical figure. He was a man with flaws with failings, with weaknesses with transcendent qualities as bell but where i connected with him, he is a man of faith he is a man of faith i am a father of four, he was a father father of four. And these were my entry point. He lived the life of not just talking about it but actually doing it. His great oration, of course of things we know about him but he walked this walk and he was plucked out of obscurity at the age of 26 and he did this for 13 years. When he took over the church. Right, and the montgomery busboy, at 26 and contributed qualities i deeply admire as a man and those were the things that really drew me to him. Rose the interesting thing about this film is that you get a chance to see that there were these all the factors that are at play and it is a day by day endeavor and it is about strategy. Yes. It is about trying to understand what the forces are against you, it is about enter within the black, interblack battles between young and not so young, it is different people who thought they had a better way. And king heard all of those conversations. Yes. Thats what i think is revelationory. When people see the film, when you think of nonviolence they think they were soft, as compared to a malcolm x but what people dont necessarily realize. Rose he was more fiery. Right but actually when you dig into this it was incredibly subversive, the idea of using love to shame racists into taking a look at themselves the idea of going into a place like selma and making sure the cameras roll while you provoke these people to do what they do behind closed doors and what they do when the cameras arent rolling, in front of the cameras, make them, you know, it wasnt pa dismissal or a gentleman she can down of violence, it was using violence, the kind of violence that when exhibited brings about change which is what happened in selma. Rose it was said about Winston Churchill i think, maybe about president kennedy i am not sure that he mobilized the english language and then took it to war. King kid kiddied the same thing here. Yes. Rose a nonviolent war from his side. Right. Rose and not so nonviolent at all from the other side. Right. This was the incredible thing about the oratory of his that we celebrate. I truly feel why he was picked to do this, i mean you have to realize he was a leader of leaders, not just a leader of people not a just a voice for the voiceless, he was surrounded by incredible minds but what he was able to do was bring all of their ideas together and articulate them in a way that was actionable, and, you know, for me, getting to speak those words, the other thing you realize is that something was flowing through him other than him. His faith was a huge part of this. He had a spirit july conviction that, spirit youll conviction that he lived by and he used to inspire people, he used big words people didnt always understand what he was saying but the force in which he said it. And the cadence and the. Yes. Rose and the rising tone. Yes. And he was able to shift between being with president s and being with the people. All with the way he spoke. He was able to inspire johnson towards change and inspire these people to put people on the line for the cause. What did he think of johnson . I think it was definitely mixed. In the end johnson did the right thing, but he was cajoled. He was pushed, i think that if bloody sunday hadnt happened he may have been able to put off the Voting Rights act. Look, from Johnsons Point of view he just passed the civil right act in the wake of president Kennedys Kennedys assassination but that didnt take away from the fact the denial of Voting Rights. It was a very real problem in the south and couldnt be put off and dr. King and the were quite right in pushing for this it was a big ask still for johnson. I think in rose president johnson said to him you have one big thing, i have 100 big things. Right. And i think as a result, dr. King was always going to have a layered and conflicted relationship with any president , because politicians are there to compromise. They are there to try and please everyone, for him, it is a much more black and white thing and when those forces butt heads there is going to be fireworks as there was between king and johnson. Rose take a look at this. It is in the front of the congregation demanding the vote. Here it is. As long as i am unable to exercise my constitutional right to vote, i do not have command of my own life. I cannot determine my own destiny, when it is determined for me who people who would rather see me suffer than success. Those that have gone before us say, no more no more no more that means protests, that means marches that means disturb the peace. That means jail. That means risk, and we will not wait any longer. Give us the vote. Thats right. No more. We are not asking. We are demanding. Give us the vote. Give us the vote rose i think it was the director who said about sell marks she said selma is the story about voice. What did she mean . Well, i think it is about the people making their voice known. It is about a leader giving a voice to the voiceless. It is about humanity coming together to say enough is enough, which is what you see when dr. King asks for people who have a conscience to come down and help, help us the tell the nation, help us tell the president this is not okay. It is really there were people whose voices were trampled upon, the literacy tests, all of these mens which people were kept away from being able to register to vote, you know, they needed a voice. Rose it is great to have you here. Thank you. Rose thank you. David oyelowo a film, he played dr. Martin luther king as we have been talking about, everybody i know is raving about the film. Because it is history and because you have a sense of being there and you feel the fear, you feel the hope, you feel all of those things that are part of the dynamic of change selma. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose there is a new movie, it is called a most violent year, it stars oscar isaac and Jessica Chastain. It is set in new york city in 1981 which was the most dangerous year in the citys history. It follows an immigrant businessman as he tries to protect his business without compromising his values. Here is the trailer for the film. I understand you and your men have a job to do here, but we are in the middle of a tenyearold birthdays party. I am sorry. Thats not a problem. He has nothing to hide from you. My husband is a good man. Dont make his honesty for weakness, he deserves respect. That was very disrespectful. I run a fair and clean business and i will fight to my last breath to prove that. He is, these are dangerous times and we have to adapt. It is not like when we were striving. We have more murder and flaip the city last year than there has ever been, so we have a urgent security issue here, if you tell me that, trust me i am aware. It has been two years since you started investigating my i have. Do you have any idea who has been doing this to us . Maybe you are doing something to bring this on yourself. I have always taken the path that is most right. The result is never in question for me. Just what path do you take to get there. Where did you get that. Found it in the bushes outside the front door. It is not a brick through a car window this is your kid playing with a loaded gun. Katie 58 coming down with a 14 count dime, just pushed ate little too far. Cant have this situation continuing. If you shoot someone it will be the end of everything we have worked for. You now have serious legal cases against you ranging from fraud to tax evasion. It wasnt your good luck helping you out all of these years it was me. I dont want anything to do with it it feels scary to jump thats exactly when you jump. Otherwise you end up staying in the same place your whole life. And that i cant do. Rose joining me now, the films two stars, oscar isaac and Jessica Chastain, i am pleased to have them at this table. Welcome. Thank you. Rose this is a reunion this movie, in a bit for you, isnt it . Yes but we never said goodbye. Rose ah. We have been friends for 12 years. You were friend at juilliards. I was in his upper classes. I was the underclass. Still am to this day. No, not at all. And we were friends, i have always admired his work from afar, and, you know, he has inspired me every tame i have seen him act and this is the first time i have been able to share a scene. And how did it happen . Well i worked at selma and was going to do with another actor and that fell out and oscar just cane out inside lieu when davis and his performance is incredible that, and i spoke to an incredible writer, director and i said i might have a guy that is perfect for this role and i sent a long email and once they met it was done. Rose is that right . No audition . Nothing . No. Well, i guess it was kind of an audition. He would summon me throughout the weeks and i would come over and we would just hang out and just kind of listen to him talk about this and that and then one time he brought me out to these oil tankers out in williamsburg where we were two doing shoot and just showed me around, but i still hadnt gotten the part. So i wasnt sure i had something, like oyelowo this is great if i had the part and i didnt want to say that and we were in la and asked me to come over to his place and i guess the whole time he was trying to put the financing together because, y