Gud and ashcroft and certainly dont know about irving or tree. We conclude this evening with the photographer Mario Testino talking about photography, fashion, and beauty. I do see beauty but i dont think the final result is beauty. I see life. I see a certain life that i would like to almost live that i dont ever get to quite live because its made out of perfection. You know, things that you dont really get with money or anything, you just get with the chance, the moment, you know. And i thrive in this aspect of photography that with a thousand of a second you can capture a moment that doesnt exist. Dench and testino when we continue. Funding for charlie rose was provided by the following captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Dame judi deferming is here. She spent most of her long and very distingishished acting career focusing on the theatre. Now she is known as character m, james bond task master. She is back in bonds 23rd outing called skyfall and plays an even more Critical Role than before. Critics are saying this could be the best bond film of all time. So here is the trailer. Country. England. Gun. Shot. Agent. Pro vock ture. Murder employment. Sky skyfall. Skyfall. Done. Some pen are coming to kill us. Rose you have seen the trailer before. No, i have now. Rose i want to go see this movie now. Me too i will go i think a week tonight. Rose why. Because its the premier. I will save it till then. Rose you cant just show up and to the go to the premier, can you. You cant do the red something, carpet. I will be. Rose there are those, did you feel that this was special when you were making it, you have done a bit of these but this one somehow was going somewhere different. I heard it was a terrific script. And i met barbara and sam men dense mendes. Hes directing it. I met them before and they told me what was going to happen, but which i cant say of course otherwise i shall be shot at dawn. Rose and i will not say, because i promised. No, quite. And they said but you have a terrific go and you come out of that office and behind your desk and you have a bill of a go. So you said thats enough for you. Thats enough. Im on. Yes, i did. Rose you have people read scripts to you now, do you not. I do. Rose because it helps, a because of eyesight and secondly because it helps to hear the story, you know, which is our job, telling the story. And keeping the audience there, intrigued into what is going to happen next some if you get people reading it to you, its very engrossing. And i think sometimes you can tell if something is i love being read to i love books on tape. Yes, me too. Rose i mean all of that. So mendes you like as a director because of earlier associations. I do like him, yes. Rose but did you feel to repeat my question, that he was taking it to a different place than the bond series had been before . I thought the script was certainly taking it to a different place. And then once starting to work with sam who i had never worked with on film before, only in the theatre, i realized that he was quite a different kind of kettle of of fish, really. Its very dark, for one thing. I mean its dark and its quite dark in watch where you step, dark in nature and a bit of look out where you are stepping, you might fall off. Yes. These have been, as we all now know great fun for you, bond. Yes. They have been fun. Rose because it brought you a different kind of renown or because the making of them was fun. Because i never expected to be asked to be in a bond film. And certainly never thought that m would ever be played by a woman. It gives me. Rose whose idea was that. A sense of power, im drunk with power, charlie. Thats what i am. Rose is it sexy to have a lot of power. Very, very sexy. But youre looked on as being very, very bossi. I can only be bossi. Rose was that hard for you. Very, very hard. I can only be bossi with those very nutty boys naughty boys. Rose then you can be bossi with me. Yup. Rose is it true that way, way, way a long time ago some guy said to you, dont have the face for film. Oh, you bet, that was absolutely true. Absolutely true. I went for an interview. I sat there and he looked and he talked to me and i thought this is going awfully well. He said i have to tell you you have every single thing wrong with your face. And with amazing presence, i thought, i got up and i took the chair and i put it back against the wall. And i said good afternoon and went back to the old vic, i dont need this i dont need films. Rose and you didnt. To. Rose but did you. I think probably, yeah, i did a few films. One called the third secret with steven boyd and richard at enboro it was a very frightening i had to play with richard. He was doing something to me, you never quite knew what it was. All i had to say was oh no, please dont, please dont, please dont. It was cut. Rose oh no. You didnt say please dont well enough. They thought you were saying please, please. Yes, didnt convey the truths. Rose oh no. So why do you think bond sent, since you have had this exposure to you is magical for all of us. I mean i cant way to see this but i like this kind of thrill. Well, i think hes an interesting character. Hes very essentially and hes essentially british. Hes a britis, with that, which he has that word that is untranslatable in any other language, flem that stiff upper lip thing and he goes rather effortlessly, he used to, through a lot of very Dangerous Things doing stunts and never getting a spec on his suit, you know. Drinking these drinks, having all these women, yes. And it was very elegant and suave. And gradually through the seven ive done,. Rose hes gotten dirty. Hes dirty now. Rose and he gets whipped sometimes in all of that. He does. Rose but thats okay because he puts his tuxedo on and comes back. And there is always a tuxedo there. He never has to think about the cleaners. Rose yeah. Do you know sean connery well . I dont know him well. Rose but you know him. Oy do know him. I met him at billy connellies. Rose i think the two i most liked goes from sean to daniel. Theyve all been very different, havent they. And pierce you see was different again. Rose and roger was different. And roger. Well, all of them. Rose yeah. Its amazing since its hadded run, this is what the 23rd and its been 50 years. 50 years, yes. Rose whats difficult about this for you, anything . Well, its difficult learning how to shoot a gun. Rose is it really. It was, yes. Rose how did you learn to shoot a gun. I went to shed 19, today they said youre in shed 19. Rose go to shed 19. Go to shed 19. And the moment i walked through they were waiting for me. Rose take this gun and shoot it. Take this gun, theres the target. Have a go now. And i did. Rose you hit the target. I quite like it with one hand. Now they used to only do one hand why do they both. Rose i think to hold the gun steady. I dont know. I think you can hold your wrist that way, i think you can do that too. But i missed, i did. Rose you did. Yeah. Rose do you have time for other things now . Other than i do. I make i mean i have taken off from when i finished the bond film until now. Ive taken all those months off. Rose so what did you do . Oh, i had the most lovely time. Just being with friends. Being at home. Rose hanging out. Hanging out. And now im going to start, do a film with steven fractures. Rose tell me about this, i read about that. That is called you like steven. I do, yes, love working with him. Rose whats there not to like. What is there not to like. Rose exactly. He gets quite grumpy now and again. Rose its understood. Yes. It is about a true story about somebody who is alive still who filamina lee who had this baby. Rose i know this story. About her lost child. Rose in search of her lost dhild. Yes. She goes with who has been played by steve who has written a script with jeff pope. Rose you were reluctant to meet her, werent you. Im going to meet her next week. Rose you havent done it yet. You are very, very up to date. Rose i try to be. How did you know that that i was going meet her. Rose i am, well im not some of now because they all met her last week. Rose so you are more excited about it or less. Im much more. I just want to meet her now. Rose why do you want to meet her. I just want to get the tone of her. Rose so part of it is professional, beyond just curiosity. Its all of that. Rose yeah. Really. Rose were you resistant to it for a moment . I mean because you normally to meeting. Rose yes. You have always taken a position i dont really want to do that. But you changed for this one. I did. Because when we did that play called pack of lies, michael went to meet day searchers father in the house that the play was set in that was the house that they were being used, you know, by spies. And he went to the house. And he met his character. And he said to michael, this extraordinary thing about his wife dying in the kitchen, and he came back and said to hugh whitemoore, i think it was hugh, you must check on this, hugh worthmoore, pack of lies, and he told him this and it became the whole of the last speech of the play. And i have only once before met somebody, i did a thing called on giles hold shoulders which was about the little boy terry wiles. And i came out of my trailer on the first day and came facetoface with his mother. And she was very, very up set, indeed. And just walked off. And that unnerved me a bit. But on the other hand, playing iris murdoch i did talk with as many people as i could and i watched all her interviews, you know. So just to get the sense of the person. Rose you can get, do you look, does it come to you or i mean are you doing it clinically or do you just watch, youll get t youll see it, its i just hope that that will happen. Rose you have the actors instinct to say thats something that we can inhabit. Incorporate that, or thats something we cant, you know, yes. Rose if to the you have to find something. Yes, you just want to be i mean if somebodys alive you want to be as honest and true to that person, that story and authentic. Dont want to kind of embellish it with something you might have out of your fantasy thought up. Rose have you ever been accused in your life of being over the top . Oh, yes, lots and lots of times i expect. More times than i probably notice. Rose too much acting , judi. What do they say. Too much acting, oh, no, never too much acting, over the top. Rose do they ever say, someone said the only thing directors say is like down, down. Damp it down. They should say more now louder. I find i cant hear people now rr louder, louder or quieter. Louder, sometimes directors give you a very, very long and complicated note. And at the end of it you kind of say you mean louder . Or you mean slower. Or faster. Usually faster, its got to be quicker but they kind of dress it up with. Rose faster, slower, louder, or not so loud. Thats all the notes are about. Rose i could be a director, couldnt i, i could say louder. But you would have to dress it up in other words. Rose you would think i knew what i was talking about because you have heard somebody like really good like sam mendes say louder. We never say that we give a long, long complicated intellectual note. Rose sam would. At the end of which you think, louder, definitely one of those. Rose dow talk back to directors . Reasons talk back at them. Rose yes. In other words, are you argue a point you mean. Rose yes, i mean in other words, i get the character. I have read the text. I know what im doing. Im daim judi dench, by the way if you havent read anything, recently. No but theyre there to make it better. Rose and do they usually, usually. Oh, yes, i think most of the time. Rose most of the time they do. Yes, but i think i told you about sam mendes when i worked with him in the cheree orchard and he. Rose tell me. He was a child. And he was directing cheree orchard and i said sam, do you think i could try this scene in a slightly different way. I just want to, just try something. And he said to me, yeah, you can but it wont work. So during skyfall i did exactly the same thing. He suggested something and i said well, i will do it but it wont work and he fortunately remembered. Yes. Rose he said you try it this way and you said i said i will try but its to the going to work. So i got my own back eventually. Years later. Rose yes. Clearly you remembered, didnt you. Oh, yeah. And i have never let him forget either. Rose so when you look back, what you have done anything differently or has it just, like life, you know, thats the point. You live it and you make mistakes and you do good things and you find its just like that, really. I wish hi done that better. Or i wish i had blue i dont regret for a single minute all the stuff ive had kind of thrown at me and dealt with. And you know, performed and even, i mean i dont think i should have played pore esch in the merchant of venice. I loathe of play, the only play of shakespeare i dont care for. Rose why did you do it. I was asked to do it. Michael and i were just married and he was playing, you know, what a stet up. But i knew that i couldnt pick the bones out of it. And john neffel came to see it all the way from canada. And i had a wonderful wig, because they say you know, and her hair hangs on her temple like a Golden Fleece and many come in search of her. I thought well she would have those wonderful curls, red kind of curls. And john came and i acted up a storm that night. And there was a knock on the door at the end. Come in. He said good evening, bubbles, he said. Thats all he said. Didnt make another comment about the play. And coy have done that better. Rose we have talked about this before. But its worth talking again. You had a fantastic marriage. Yes. Rose what made it magical . Well, i suppose if i could answer the question i could write a book and make a huge amount of money. Rose you could. You know. Rose but i done mean it in the sort of selfhelp. I know exactly. I know. Well, i dont know. I mean we did well, all i can say is that if i hadnt been married to michael he would have been my breast friend. You know, and thats important to like the person, very much. I think. Rose . And to have a natural, you know, both of you have a sense of humor, same kind of sense of humor. I think thats important too. Thats vitally important. But. Rose you have channeled that experience and people said good acting is channeling your own experience. Well, i am sure everything that happens to you, all of the experience you have had goes into everything you play. Because you have to either have observed it in somebody else or read about it or yourself. So you know, its a huge eye and huge ear because you have to if you play, if you play lady macbeth you have to, you know, it is an observation thing. You dont go out and do somebody in and then think, im saying something, you know, its an amalgam of all, its a receive of all the things youve ever have you had any interest of telling what you know about acting. In telling. Yes. No. Rose not performing but telling. I dont mean by teaching but just somehow, you know, do you have the i could talk to a student or students and i can, when you do audition speeches i can take a student through things like that, to help them and think it maybe better. Rose if they have an audition you can help them. I could if they said will you help me with an audition speech. Rose have you ever done that. I have, yes. Yes. And i have directed too. But thats such a lonely thing. They gang up against you, actors. They honestly dont tell the truth. Rose do that one by one. Okay. Rose they gang up on. They gang up against you, in you are directing and dow all that and suddenly they disappear at lunch and they have not told you where theyve gone. I hate that. I hate it. Rose and its a conspiracy, they are doing it. It is a conspiracy. And then when i went to see, i directed ken bran never ach do and when i went to see it on tour, at the end of the show i went around to give them notes, he had left in his costume, see. Rose but i mean is it difficult to direct him in much a do. He knows a bit about shakespeare. He certainly does. He knows a lot about it. Rose i know he does. And he was simply brilliant. He used to make me laugh a lot. He used to behave quit badly. And then also ackers will say you must look at this when you go home tonight. You really must look at it because its not quite right. Look at the lines and please do some work. And the next day they will come in and say im exhausted. I have looked at the lines, i have done the work, i still dont see. Rose well, theyre transparent, its like a glass person walking in front of you. You know they havent, you know they havent done it. But then suddenly the spotlight because i was watching that and criticizing and the spotlight suddenly went i was caught it in full blast. I thought oh yeah, i have said that so many times. Rose some people think its quite unfair that you get most of the best roles for older woman. Youre just saying what pat hodge said last week. He said we get the best maggie and i get the best parts. I read that. Rose exactly. Okay. Thats rubbish. Rose thats rubbish. Thats rubbish. Rose i love rubbish. Of course it is. Rose its unfair. Of course it is. You you dont give a damn. I dont, no. Rose because you know. Just keep on working, touch wood. Rose why dow work so hard . Because, im one of the minority. In that im doing a job i chose to do. And im employed at it. Rose you and me. You and me, well, how lucky we are. Are you going to retire. Rose no certainly not. Why would you rses it makes you more vital, young and purposeful age second the whole idea of running through the fire, you know. I heard the other day somebody sayings the older older you get the louder you should sing. And i thought oh yeah. I will have that in poker work somewhere up on a wall. Brilliant. Has the theatre changed as you have been in and out of the theatre much. Yes, i think the theatre has changed. Rose in what way . Well, i think, think its just as exciting but i think what is sad is that Young Students coming into the theatre now all training, i think the majority of them actually dont want to go into the theatre. They want to make films. They want to be a star. And also with the demise of all of our reps all over the country, where do they go to train, where do they go to make the mistakes. Having trained, you need to go somewhere and find out what not to do. And watch people who can do it. And i think a lot of curiosity has gone out of the theatre. That young people are not so curious about i mean there are a lot of Young Students now who dont know who john gielgud or ashcroft and certainly dont know about irving or garic or free and thats a pitty. It is a pitty. It is a great pitty because that is our heritage and its a very great one. There we are. Thats not i dont think its taught any more, history of theatre. It used to be. Rose but your daughter is a stage actress. She is, jolly good too. Rose is she really jolly good. Shes very good. And if you had asked herb why shes jolly good, she would accept that idea which im sure she would. Or she would know, she would probably say because i worked hard. They all say that, she wouldnt say because my mother is good and i have her genes. She wouldnt say