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WTKR CBS This Morning February 6, 2016

I mean, not before an undertaker got to them, you know . Ill try to make this as quick and painless as possible. I just need you to tell me what you saw. I really didnt notice anything wrong until i got to the coffee pot. There was none. Then i saw all the blood and maggie behind the counter. Who would do that . Everybody loved her. Did you know the other victim who was found outside . I didnt even see the poor bastard at first. Almost lost my bakfast. Mr. Maddox, im going to need your shoes. Oh, my god i didnt. I wasnt i just need to eliminate your footprints, so ill write you a receipt and well return them to you when were done. You kidding . Toss them or burthem. Ill never wear them again. Okay, sit tight. Ll have someone take you home. Bodys been tampered with. And the shoes are on the wrong feet. The, uh. The m. E. Said he found no trace of fluid. So, it looks like our guy wore a condom. So far, too much blood; not enough forensics. Just what i like, a smart predator. Okay, so we got two victims, one shot, one stabbed one inside, the other out on the street but from the looks of it, it all started in here. If he had a gun, why thknife . Something went wrong. You both have a perfect driving record. No tickets. No accidents. That is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. Yup. Now, you would think your Insurance Company would cut you some slack, right . No. Your insurance rates go through the roof. Your perfect record doesnt get you anything. Anything. Perfect for drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates and if you do have an accident, our claim centers are available to assist you 24 7. For a free quote, call Liberty Mutual at switch to Liberty Mutual and you could save up to 509 call today at see Car Insurance in a whole new light. Money was still in the drawer 200 and change. Thats why were thinking its a rape that got interrupted. Surveillance camera . Nonfunctional for some time. Its not in a highcrime area. The owner thought its presence was deterrent enough. Well, whos our corpse . Margaret sandomir, night manager. Works midnight to 6 00 a. M. , beloved by all. Not entirely. Has the family been notified . Mother took a sedative. Our second vic has no i. D. Just a few dollars in his pocket and a set of keys. So, hes probably going in for a midnight snack and genitals instead. Munch focused. Or frenzied attack . Both. Two different guys, two different weapons. So, one was organized, the other one. Out of control. What if we got one guy, two weapons . Munch maybe he was in control and lost it when our second victim interrupted his flow. Fin ill check the computer see if theyve got any hits on perps that like to carry both. Well, until our victim wakes up to give us any pertinent information munch, fin, knock on doors. If hes local, lets try to i. D. The guy. Benson, stabler, talk to the sandomir family. Get some background. Woman she was getting her ph. D. In psychology at columa during the day. We thought since the market was just two blocks away that shed be safe. Its our neighborhood. Everybody knows her. Did she have any enemies . Was there ever any trouble . Ssshe did have some difficulty with one of the patients at the clinic what patient was this . Maggie interned at a Mental Health clinic twice a week. This man fantasized that he and maggie had a relationship. He stalked her. Whats his name . Oh, god, i dont remember. There was a Police Report. Maggie assured me that he wasnt dangerous. Do you have the name of the clinic . Hmh clinic. Homeless Mental Health. Hi. Hi. Can i help you . Yeah. Could i see dr. Klein . Shes in a session. Itll take about five minutes. Shell be done in 30. So, have a seat. Great. Thank you. Guy stalking our victim is ben morand. She took out a restraining order. So much for him not being dangerous. You want to go and come back later . Mbling they pulled the 61 on moreland. He was stalking our victim for almost a month. Became agitated when approached by uniforms. He had box cutters taped to his hand. One cop almost got cut. When was this . Two weeks ago. He at rikers . Claims insanity. Said the unis had laser beams for eyes and were trying to fry him. The judge ordered him to take his meds and sent him home. Address is west 54th street. What are the odds hes still not taking his pills . buzzing hello . Ben moreland . Whats this about . Maggie sandomir. Where were you last night . Right here. Why . Anyone with you . Just me and the four walls closing in. Sheshe ssay i was bothering her again . cause i swear i wasnt. Ms. Sandomir is dead. No. Ii just talked to her. In person . She called me. Wanted to know how things were going with the new shrink. Sheshe referred him. She was always good to me. I guess thats why i fixated. She helped me get my disability, get off the street. Take my meds consistent. The court order helped, o. You still complying . I take fluphenazine. Guess im supposed to live with the. Drooling. And the shakes. Only when im crazy. I havent been able to work since they forced me to take the medication. Is it helping . Depends. Im not hearing voices telling me to rip my own throat out. Its supposed to make me better so i can hold down a job. Who the hells going to hire me like this . I dont work, im going to be out on the street again. Its tragic what happened to maggie. Anything i can do . Yes, we need a list of her patients. Anything except that. Doctor, we understand youd like to protect their confidentiality but this is a rape murder investigation. That list wont help you. Why not . These people dont have addresses theyre scattered all over the city. Well, can we get the schedule of when theyre due to come in for their medication . So they can be traumatized by the experience . I betray their trust, they dont show the next time. Its hard enough to get them to take their meds to begin with. We can get a court order. Thats what youll have to do. And uncooperative. My patients suffer from manicicepression mood disorders and schizophrenia. That doesnt make them killers. Yet theres an unbelievable stigma when most of them are not violent. Doctor, are all of your patients under control . If they take their meds and work with their doctors, yes. And if they dont . Instead of hounding patients struggling wit their disease you should be checking the subject of maggies thesis mark nash. And why doesnt he fall under your protective cover . Mark nash was noncompliant. He refused to take medication. I absolutely believe that medication and therapy give the best possible relief for schizophrenia. Maggie advocated a patients right to choose. But how can a sick mind even recognize that its ill . Lab came back on our footprints only three sets our victim outside and our witness maddox. Looks like were looking for only oneerp. Stabler nothing on mark nash. First time for everything. So you think the guy goes from zero to rape and murder because hes schizophrenic . Uh, if hes not in his right mind, hell, yes munch and who is the arbiter of Mental Health . Are you sane . And how do you know if youre not unless somebody tells you . And how do they know theyre not . What about morelan he look good to you . Nothing so far. Hes got no alibi. But i dont see him going out in that condition. He stalked her. If anybodys seen him lately, well find out. Be hard to miss himwith all the facial twitches tremors, and drool. Stabler probably extrapyridal. I got Maggie Sandomirs thesis from dr. Klein. That sounds like the side effects you get from longterm usage of antipsychotics. You get involuntary muscle spasms, among other things. Thats why a lot of them refuse the medication. Benson right, but we cant possibly know which ones are dangerous, when theyre going to snap. Thats why taking their meds shouldnt be an option. You would suppress an individuals right to refuse medical treatment . For the Public Safety absolutely. Our john doe is out of surgery a awake. So, lets get his statement. beeping rhythmically hows he doing . He still got all his parts . Cant this wait . Fin if he croaks in the next five minutes . He just came out of major surgery. And were ying to find out who put him there. Dont worry, thisll be short and sweet. Sir . Yeah . Whats your name . Miller. Earl miller. Can we call anybody for you . No. Munch did you get a good look at who did this to you . Slight. White. 20s, 30s. Brown hair. Crazy. I saw him attack that woman. Crazy . What, did he Say Something . Russian. Something. Munch he spoke with an accent . Please. Mr. Nash . Mark nash . Rakolnikov. It was i. Killed the old pawnbroker woman and her sister with an ax. Mr. Nash, im going to need to see your hands. 317 rubles. Benson ineed to see your hands. And 60 copecks. 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Well, mark, i tell you, you hit her so hard she came out of her shoes. Then you felt bad, so you tried to put them back on her feet but you got them on the wrong feet, is that right . Razumihin. You think im mad . Have a drink, youll feel better. Youve had enough for all of us. I can still smell the beer on you. Youre not drunk, are you . Is maggie dead . You know she is, because you killed her. And then you stabbed a witness. He might not make it. I hope hes dead so, you did stab him . Yes screams whispering mark, mark. Shh. Lets calm down. Mark, calm down, okay . We just want to help. So, why dont you sit down and well talk. screaming loudly not while hes delusional. Defense is going to ask for a 730. State examiner will keep him until hes fit for trial. Benson then maybe well get his story instead of dostoevskys crime and punishment. We got enough for the assault to confine him to a state hospital. The blood on thenife came back as millers. Id like the gun to close it up tight. The m. E. Found two hairs on the body follicles intact, so maybe we dont need it. I never turn down evidence. Munch and fin are talking to nashs mother in the interview room. Lets serve her the notice while shes here and then go toss the house. When he didnt come, i went looking. He didnt have his keys. He loses them or forgets them. I went to the market. It was closed. There was yellow crime scene tape over it. Ive been running everywhere trying to find my son in Hospitals Police stations, even the morgue. Now im here, so please, what did mark do . Maggie sandomir is dead. She was sexually assaulted and shot in the back. He got stabbed for his trouble but hell make it. My son isnt violent. Mrs. Nash, he took a knife out of his pocket, and his clothes are stained in blood. This is impossible. He adores maggie. He was so withdrawn and she took the time to reach him. They spent evenings together. Sometimes he hped her in the market. They were close as close as mark can be. He would never hurt her never. He refuses to take any medication. Has he ever been on anything . Clozapine made his white blood cells drop. Chlorphromazine made him sleep 18 out of 24 hours in the day. He refuses to try again. Does he drink . Yes. I never give him much money but he always manages to buy beer. Did he ever show any signs of violence . Do youwn a handgun . Yes. I understand if youre afraid of him. I bought that gun to protect mark against the neighborhood ignorants. They chase him and frighten him. Theyre obsessed, terrified that hell freak out and hurt them or their children. The media has done an excellent job of demonizing schizophrenics so that when people look at my son they dont see a human being. Mark doesnt scare me, detective. Pathetic, narrowminded people do. Miss cabot. Matt wooding, counsel for mark nash. Alex cabot for the people. Nice day for a walk in the park. Maybe. What are you offering . Ten years in a state hospital. Courtmonitored medication compliance for the duration. Well, thats a little stiff. Six inside, remaining four on compliance. Youve only got him for millers assault. Last i checked, he was still breathing. Just barely, and now hes missing a piece of action. Eight inside, five on compliance but if i find the murder weapon, the deals off the table. You mean if you find the gun with marks prints on it, dont you . Ill talk to the mother. Stabler okay, were looking for a. 38. The suspects mother owns one. So, concentrate on her bedroom. I guess this is his corner. Hey, hes got the right idea. Just seems nutty to me. You know, maybe its his way of making the shows more interesting. Maggie gave mark nash a chance and it cost her her life. That your reason for doing what you did in the interview . What did i do . Well, he was starting to talk. If wed just gone at him easy, he would have come around. I asked the hard questions; he confessed. Six months out of the academy, i worked a crime scene where schizophrenic hacked his father to death and then he offed himself. Whole place was covered with blood. Turns out he stopped taking his meds. Look, olivia, that is your experience with one guy. Even shrinks cant predict their behavior. Its for their good that they take their medication. Are we going to shove pills down their throats . If itll get the job done. Youre uncomfortable with the mentally ill. No, i am uncomfortable with dangerous unpredictability. Found this in her lingerie drawer. It been fired recently . Man people v. Mark nash. The charges are one count murder in the Second Degree one count of rape in the first degree one count assault in the first degree. Judge how do you plead . Not guilty. Oh, going for insanity what a surprise. Wooding self defense. Judge ms. Cabot . Uh. Your honor, remand without bail. The defendant is a serious threat to the community. To determine mental competence. Wooding objection. Theres no reason to assess the defendants Mental Health. We will stipulate that he suffers from paranoid schizophrenia a debilitating dease, but not an incapacitating one. The defendant raped and fatally shot one victim known to him and severely maimed an innocent bystander who interrupted his crime. I want to determine whether or not his illness is a factor in the commission of these brutal crimes. The American Psychiatric association would strongly disagree with ms. Cabots narrowminded assumption that mental illnessis always a precursor to criminality. Thats very p. C. , counselor but lets just see what the members of the apa actually have to say about it. Remand without bail pending psychiatric evaluation. The defendant reserves the right to refuse medication. So noted. pounds gavel shouldnt have to take the poison. Alrey got cyanide in my head. Dont want any more. Its in the water. Mark. Agranulocytosis, seizures torticollis, hypotension, parkinsonism. Those are side effects of antipsychotics. Mark, is the reason you refuseedication that you prefer the world you live in to reality . Id be crazy if i didnt, wouldnt i . Dont look at me. Why not . Because you can see the books in my head. What kind of books are they . Prognostication. I do it before i see it and its exactly like i saw it. What do you see . I see the safe. Do you understand what happened to maggie . Maggie died. She was murdered. I know that. She was raped, too. Yes. Ugly. What is . Maggie understood. That my hatred stemmed from a matriarchal obsession with christ. I focus not on the crucified, but. On the suffering of his mother. Did you study psychology . Of course sociology, theology, pathology. I am an autodidact. I sometimes hate my mother. If it werent for her great suffering. Then i could end all this. Do you remember exactly what happened to maggie . The safe. The combination to the safe is needed to get within it. My life is in the safe and the keys are needed to get within. Where is the safe . Below the floor. In hell. Miller i. D. d the loon out of the photo array. Words have power, fin. Keep up the bad karma i see alzheimers in your future. At least i wont remember how great i used to be. Whatd i miss . Ben morelands prints were found at the crime scene. And according to dna the hairs found on Maggie Sandomirs body you pay your Car Insurance premium like clockwork. Month after month. Year after year. Then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. Yeah. Surprise. Your Insurance Company tells you to pay up again. Why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it . If you have Liberty Mutual deductible fund , you could pay no deductible at all. Sign up to immediately lower your deductible by 100. And keep lowering it 100 annually, until its gone. Then continue to earn that 100 every year. Theres no limit to how much you can earn call to learn more. 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