Senator tom cotton. They both face unfavorable numbers. Well ask the panel whether the election will be about who voters dislike more, right now on Fox News Sunday. Heo again from fox news in washington. Its been a remarkably rough week for drmpl, a series of selfinflicted wounds and one poll after another showing him falling behind. But on friday Hillary Clinton once again stirred up the controversy over her private emails, which is way this race between two unpopular and distrusted nominees remains competitive. Joining mess to discuss the state of the campaign, former House SpeakerNewt Gingrich and xavier becerra, thank you back to Fox News Sunday. Good to be with you. Good to be here. As donald trump has gone from one misstep to another, speaker gingrich, you have been as sharp as any critic about your man. Here are some of things youve been saying about him. Very selfdestructive, take a deep breath and learn new skills. Trump is helping her to win by proving he is more unacceptable than she is. I know that you think that clinton would make a lousy president , but how close is trump to disqualifying himself . I dont think very close at all. First, if you look at the last few days hes gotten the messages. He came out and endorsed paul ryan which she should have done in the first place, endorsed john mccain which he should have done in the first place. He endorsed kelly ayotte. If youve never run for office, its tricky to jump from businessman to politician frankly the biggest mistake was last week on your son. Its one thing to lie, but another thin to explain apparently her brain shortcircuited. As George Romney can tell you using that as an excuse is very dangerous in a campaign. I think she managed to trump trump in terms of mistakes. That brings us to Hillary Clinton. Congressman becerra, who has a different problem than trump, honesty. Last week i asked her about the fact that fbi direct ore comey said what she had been telling the American People for a year about her private emails was untrue, was false. Heres how she responded. Director comey said what my answers were truffle and is consistent with what i told American People. And as independent Fact Checkers came down, here is how Hillary Clinton responded. I may have shortcircuited for that, you notice, i will try to clarify, because i think Chris Wallace and i were probably talking past each other. But congressman becerra, she didnt shortsick, and we didnt walk past each other. The problem was ms. Clippen misrepresented what james comb yes told the American People. What director domie told the American People was after a thorough investigation by the fbi, that of the over 30,000 emails that clinton had provided there was no wrongdoing. He didnt say that, but thats not what im talking about. What he said is there was not enough ground to prosecute her. He did say she had been extremely careless and negligent, but specifically what he said was what she told the American People over the past year was wrong. Secretary clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her emails either sent or received. Was that true . Thats not true. Secretary clinton said i did not email classified significant to anyone on my email. Was that . There was classified email. Director comey directly contradicted what secretary clinton has been telling the American People. What director comey said is she had no knowledge of the socalled classified email because they were not marked or not classified at the time or incorrectly marked. So he did come out and said you dont show that, but he came out and say they were marked and more importantly he said that there was classified material that she had emailed. But she did not know it. Otherwise if there had been the intention to send classified emails, then fbi would have pursued this much further, so i think youre trying to make more of this than there is. She didnt say i didnt intend to send classified material. She said that isnt what she told the American People. She has made it clear that looking back she would have done it differently, she did make some mistake, but never intended to send classified information over emails, and the fbi investigation confirms that. And so why we may want to make more of it, the fact has said we should move on and get to real important a matters of the country. I think youre missing the genius of her friday comment. Now you can say to that mother in benghazi, no it was shortcircuit. Did you forget the meetings in no, it was what short circuit. It wasnt that i lied to you, i didnt remember what i was going to say. After 30,000 emails have been been disclosed, what we dont yet know is one tax return from donald trump, we dont know how his wife gained her immigration status that is not true. That is not true. Its time for donald trump to start providing one iota of information on the tax returns, which hes never agreed to do. Okay. First of all, we know that his wife had a green card before she met him. She came here how did she get the green card . Shall he came here legally. How did she get it. She didnt know donald trump. Before she came to work. This is the only immigrant in america youre worried about. I think its amazing the one person you decide to pick on happens to the the wife of donald trump. Its amazing that the immigrant basher first of all, im nthe immigrant basher, he just likes is immigrants to be legal. Im the son of immigrants, but what does concern me is when some guy goes out and bashes immigrant, not only undocumented, but legal immigrants and wont explain house his wife i think we have made the point. Lets turn to the economy, kind of a big issue. Here is what trump says about his plan. Were going to cut our taxes for the middle class. Were going to cut our taxes for business. Were going to have massive dollars pouring into this country, and were going to create jobs like we have never seen before. But speaker gingrich, trump would cut taxes 9. 5 trillion over the next decade, most of it going to top earners, and adds 11. 2 trillion to the debt with unspecified spending cuts. Mr. Speaker, his numbers dont add up. Of course not. I hi historically no candidates numbers add up, particularly in the media. Youre saying his numbers im going to have to quote you on that one, newt. I said all candidates. If you open up Americas Energy and mining opportunities theres at least 7 trillion in potential additional revenue just from making it easier to develop our own energy and only mental resources. There are a number of steps to take to dramatically accelerate the economy. If you dramatically you have an explosion of Small Business getting created. In a period of Economic Growth such as the reagan era, you do in fact raise a tremendous amount of revenue. Congressman becerra, you can responsible, but i also breathtaking. Breathtaking. Go ahead. The plan you just outlined, which sentence money mostly to folks at the top has been scored to probably look about 3. 5 million jobs broadband senator mccains former economist. Its also clear that increasing debt, donald trump really meant he was the, quote, king of debt. This is a guy who thinks and his quote was wages are too high. The problem in the economy isnt that wages are too high. Weve seen jobs created in the last six years or so. The problem has been americans havent seen their wages go up. So salaries but president obama has been the president for the last eight years. You make it sound like somebody else is in charge. Whats not good is we have to see americans wages go up. Thats what we have to work on. The jobs arent good. Youre not getting manufacturing back. Youre again bartending jobs and service jobs. Because he outsources jobs let me ask about clintons numbers. They do add up. She would raise taxes 1. 2 trillion, a trillion over ten years, most of that on the rich. Even with big new spending programs adding only about 250 million to the debt, but what it is basically is more of the obama plan. Heres that discussion. Youre offering more Government Programs well, but thats more entitlements are mo more taxes no. More tax penaltyings and credits. Lets unpack that. What im offer is the biggest Job Creation Program since world war ii. But its infrastructure. Thats what obama did. But he didnt get to do enough. The problem with the weakest recoveries since 1949 is that obama didnt get to do enough . We didnt invest in our roads and brinls and schools the way we should have. We had a trillion dollar stimulus plan. Only a small portion went to infrastructure, to investments what seeing say my dad was in construction, one of the hardesthit industries in the 2008 recession. If you put construction to work, for somebody has to go to lunch. Its a ripple effect. We had 900 billion, we blew that chance and now trust secretary clinton that many jobs isnt blowing it. A lot arent very good. Only in the world of grinch and republicans would creating 15 million jobs after george bush left us with an economy hemorrhagic. You campaign on things are good enough. Well campaign on things can get better. Well see who wins the general election. We have a bit of time left, and i want to get to isis, the external threat. Heres what clinton and trump are saying about each other. It was Hillary Clinton that she should get an award from them as the founder of isis. There is no doubt in myomind that donald trump is unqualified to be president and unfit to be commander in chief. Congressman becerra, briefly, what is clintons plans . I dont understand either plan, what is clintons plan to destroy isis and why is it better than Donald Trumps . Just as she was there to green light she didnt green light it, president obama did. But she was there to give advice. She was the one that assembled a coalition that helped stop the Nuclear Buildup in iran. Whats her plan to stop isis . Shes made it very clear. You get tough on them at the source, we protect the homeland. What you dont do is you dont call for torture to be used by the newest military. You dont cozy up to people like piatten and it saddam hussein. You dont use Nuclear Weapons. You create the partnerships that you need. You dont go out there and show that youre unfit to be president the way donald trump has. So 15 years after 9 11, were not winning. Were not winning in afghanistan. Were not winning in iraq, were not winning in syria, were not kinning in libya, were not winning in lebanon. Thats a knock on our troops. No. Our troops will tell you were not winning. Even wait a second. He attacked a gold star family. Whats winning about that. He defenses a number of gold star families. He went after the mother. And mr. Khan attacked him pretty tough, too. Politics is a tough business. But but. Get out kitchen if you cant take the heath. For both of them. Hillarys got a run on the grounds that disrupting libya, disrupting syria, failing in russia, failing in iraq, failing in afghanistan and shell do more of the same failure including paying 400 billion in cash, which the president assures us was not in fact 400 million. Well be talking about that. Thats a good way to get you two off the set. Speaker ging rich, congressman becerra, thank you both. I hope when they have the big debate, that both candidates do as well as you do. New polls that tracks changing shape of this race. Back in a moment. If you are repeatedly having to say in very strong terms that what he has said is unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him . People ask me, what do you think about trump . Honestly i dont care for him much, and i certainly dont trust hillary. President obama calling out republicans for supporting trump and gop congressman Mike Kauffman of colorado coming out against trump in a commercial as part of his campaign for reelection. And syndicated columnist george will. Gerald seib, lisa lerer, and lisa boothe. Jerry, how damaging was it for donald trump . And was it irreparable . Very damaging, but not irreparable, i dont think. I think the numbers that scared republicans moth wasnt the that could fa Hillary Clinton was up by eight, nine, ten points, but we had a number which kind of congress, one controlled by republicans president now democrats are up by four points. I think what changed is republicans looked at the Trump Campaign and said its in trouble, but its the kind of trouble that can drag us down and now were seeing a separation of the party, a president ial Campaign Going one way and congressional campaigns going that way. We saw the long and winding route that he went to finally endorse paul ryan, john mccain and kelly ayotte. We saw that ad beginning it by saying he doesnt like donald trump. How much trump is trouble in with his own party . It presents challenges. Its not good when your own party is coming out with ads distancing themselves from you, but i think some of the disasters could potentially be the best thing that could have happened to him. Sometimes candidates need to get their teeth knocked in to force directional changes that are needed for the campaign that are bivl. What we saw is donald trump sourcing paul ryan, senator mccain and ayotte as well, which is a recognition hi needs the republican party, the republican base. Hes hired cambridge analytics despite in may say his does not need analytics, the firm behind brexit who identified firsttime voters and got them out to vote. Thats a positive step. We also saw he outraised Hillary Clinton in direct donations, a 69 increase in smalldollar donations, which is a positive step for his campaign. Also after getting hid with 234 million in radio and tv buys by clinton and her allies theres report that his campaign is finally looking into ad time for this election. Maybe it was a bad couple weeks, but perhaps this is the sort of forced change that his campaign needs. Then we have Hillary Clinton who by all accounts had a very strong week until as we saw on friday she once again kicked up the controversy over her private emails and what fbi director comey said about them, and last night donald trump had some fun with how she explained it. Here trump is. Unstable Hillary Clinton, i think that the people of this country dont want somebody thats going to shortcircuit up here. George, how do you explain Hillary Clinton and her continuing troubles with the emails . Well, theres no good explanation, which is why they throw a lot of dust in the air. The old saying, if you have the facts law on the side, argue the law. If you have the facts on your side, argument the facts. If neither are on your side, pound the table. Shes pounding the table at the moment. People have made many their mind for or against her, and i have a doubt as to whether this resonates when people go into the voting booth in november. Why . Because its already baked in the numbers in your poll, which is they said not honest and trust worthy thats largely, not exclusively, but largely related to this, and they have made up their minds. So, in other words, if youre against her, you already whatever your feelings are, you have already baked the private emails into it. Its unclear how many undecided voters are in the country, but surely those who were undecided are not undecided about this. People have probably said weerp for her in spite of that. If were opposed to her, its because of that, but they have factored it in. Lisa, how much frustration at clinton headquarters in brooklyn the fact that she just even though politically or rather legally shes in the clear, the fbi director comey and attorney general lynch say theyre not going to prosecute her, accomplicically she cant seem to get arrive of it. And surprising twist, that campaign folks at Clinton Campaign great with george, that this is a rorschach test. If you see this and dont like her, you like her less, but if if you like her, you see this and think theres a Conspiracy Theory against her. A campaign is not a court case, Public Opinion is not a jury. Shes unable to provide anything but these very legalistic answers and continues to be a drag on her campaign. Look, none of that may matter. Donald trump is having problems that may surpass voters views, but it is something that could follow her into the white house should she win. Its hard to get thing done when voters dont trust you, and this speaks to that weakness of hers. Lets look at swing state polls that came out this week. They were pri alarming. Trump is now done 15 points in new hampshire, down 11 points in pennsylvania, down nine points in michigan, and down six points in florida. Jerry, theres even a poll that shows trump is down four points in reliably red georgia. This is trouble. And utah, its drifting the other way. The number that ought to bother the Trump Campaign is florida. For me its hard to put together the Electoral College map that wins for trump without florida. The fact hes down there is a bad sign. If he doesnt win florida, it doesnt matter if he wins pennsylvania. If he doesnt win florida, hes not going to win pennsylvania. These are all leading indicators. When you step back from the numbers, one of the things you see is in the last week Hillary Clinton and the democrats consolidated their base in the wake of their convention. The republicans went in the opposite direction. Donald trump is bleeding right now among some of his core supporters, white males, noncollege educated voters. These are people who are the trump voters. Thats where hes eroded. That may be the place where its easier for him to recover. I want to ask you, lisa, about something something that surprised me the most between gingrich and becerra, that becerra r