An africanamerican decision that was made with regard there was only 59 of the vote came out of there. The entire election was only 27 of the vote. So the northwest, which was africanamerican mainly, won that election. All right, nelson, youre back with us on inside story, and welcome back. Thank you for having me back. Well, it was our pleasure. The papal visit lets talk about that. Its gonna semiparalyze Center City Philadelphia and beyond. Mayor nutter announced two traffic boxes that will only allow outgoing traffic the day before pope francis arrives on september 26th, plus theyre closing the vine street expressway and parts of the schuylkill expressway and route 1 and the ben franklin bridge. Does anyone here at this table believe that this is way too far . I do. You know, this is being imposed by the secret service on the city, and i understand concerns this is one of the most famous, beloved, but also controversial figures in the world. We dont do this for president obama to come to town, though. No, no, we didnt, and we also didnt do it when john paul ii came in 1979. I walked there. I was on the parkway i was at logan circle. Let me disagree. First time here, let me disagree with christina already. Oh, thats a change. Welcome back, nelson. I know whats happening in the secret service process, and they dont disclose anything till the end. Sure. I think its been blown up more by the local officials. It doesnt happen in new york, it doesnt happen in washington, dc, and if you remember, in as far when i was 1976, frank rizzo did the same thing. He scared the people so much about what was going on that very few people came down. I dont remember the gridlock and the paralyzing in 1979. Were in a different world than we were in 1979. We face the specter of international terrorism, and philadelphia has to get this right. If were gonna be a worldclass city were stepping onto an International Stage you have to get this right. Better safe than sorry. I worry that the hype is gonna scare some folks away. Weve seen, actually, a drop in some of the hotels in the last few weeks, in the hotel reservations. Septa. And the septa issue, but weve got to get this right, and better safe than sorry. Its true and but i agree we have to get it right, but the question is, whats being imposed on new york, and whats being imposed on washington . Same guy going to two other major cities. We are having the world meeting of families over here. I understand, but theyre not doing this for the world meeting of families the world meeting of families is here before the pope gets here. Then hes staying for a shorter period of time. Hes there for one day, but hes the same guy, subject to the same risk, and so the question is, what are they requiring them to do in washington and new york and how much are we adding on here . I agree. Look, this is the most wellknown guy in the world. Popular or unpopular, hes the bestknown guy in the world. We dont want anything to happen. I think what is going to happen is that it likely might not have as much of the economic generator that we want it to have, because of the difficulties. The cab drivers are being upset. I understand maybe immobilizing the city, the immediate area the green zone, which is kind of wide but to close Benjamin Franklin to close the bridge, paralyze part of the schuylkill let me ask you this. I mean, weve brought up the issue of safety for the pope himself. Is convenience a factor in the decisionmaking at all and im talking about the convenience for the people that are coming here that want to see the pope when youre closing down all these roads and bridges . I think what theyre trying to do, essentially, is landlock so that their security process, as they see it, it makes the family conference one that is very, very inconvenient for everyone else. But i have to you know, i know what the secret service does. They dont disclose what theyre gonna do. And i know basically that many of them have taken over buildings and so forth and so on to be able to be at the right place where the pope is gonna be. They have not in any way suggested any of the closings that have occurred. That has been a local decision. But part of the challenge is the people who are inside the grid the people in the hotels inside the grid are okay cause theyve got freedom of movement. The question is, what about the people staying in the hotels in the counties . How far are they gonna have to walk . This also has a ripple effect. Once they close it off, how far are they gonna have to walk to get to meetings, to get to the Convention Center . Youve heard the mayor say, be prepared to walk miles. Well, thats a disincentive. What about regular life . What about people i have Court Hearings that have been cancelled because courts are going to close because people arent going to be i mean, this is a collateral you know, the impact, sure. Its very important to be cautious, but i do think that its being blown out of proportion, and i think that the media is running with this ball, as well. Let me tell you, economically, all of the businesses are gonna be closed. Very few of the restaurants are gonna be able to serve. Wheres the impact . Wheres the great Economic Impact . And so it really hurts us quite a bit. Lets talk about Kathleen Kane. She is now charged with a crime in fact, several. Montgomery County District attorney risa vetri ferman, who was asked to conduct a probe of Kathleen Kane, issued five criminal counts against the state attorney general, including perjury and criminal conspiracy. This all stems from a leak of grandjury information from a case in 2009. Governor wolf came out immediately, the same day, called for kane to resign. Now, kane, who, you remember, she was the woman, the political person in the Democratic Party has refused to resign. She says it would be like an admission of guilt. She continues to proclaim her innocence. Val, what do you think about this . Should she resign . And could she be forced to resign with an impeachment process . Well, they could decide to impeach her. I think she should step down. The arrogance of staying on the job when you have this cloud hanging over your head you cant do your job properly. The fact of the matter is, she couldnt even do the job properly before this. Ill just give you one small example. [ laughter ] county d. A. s have the option to refer cases to the attorney general when theyre conflict or where theres a political issue. Theyve felt, a lot of them ive talked to several of them felt they couldnt do that over the last several months because they dont think her office is competent to handle these prosecutions. And that has a ripple effect, and theres other things that i could bring up like that. So she shouldve resigned already. I think she should be impeached. And of course shes innocent till Proven Guilty. I want to kudos, though, to risa ferman for really methodically handling the case the way it shouldve been handled not politically, letting the facts lead her to where they should. I think shes done a tremendous job. I want to pick up on what val said about judge risa vetri ferman, future judge risa vetri ferman. I think that she really she didnt allow people push her into a decision. I wrote several columns saying, you know, risa, when are you going to make a decision . And i think that she did it exactly the way that it shouldve been done. She looks like the adult in the room. And to also Say Something along the lines of what val was saying about the arrogance of Kathleen Kane yes, we are all lawyers at this table. You are innocent until Proven Guilty. That does not mean that you are able to do your job effectively if you have the cloud of an indictment hanging over your head. The people of pennsylvania deserve more than a woman who quite possibly may be convicted of obstruction of justice, perjury, false swearing. I do not see how she can effectively do her job while she is fighting these charges. Its hard to find anyone on her side right now, george. Well, its not about being on her side. I mean, president clinton did his job while he was under the aura of an impeachment. I dont think its not that you cannot do your job when youre under the aura of an indictment. The problem is, she was not capable of doing her job possibly whether shes indicted or not. I mean, she is an example in politics where im a believer that voters get it right more often than they get it wrong. This is an instance where the voters decided to invest in a person who didnt have real political experience, who really didnt have managerial experience, and people saw a picture that didnt turn out to be the case. And i think that her inabilities to do the job are not related to the fact that shes subject to an indictment. Im very compassionate about shes going through a lot of other issues, personal issues and otherwise, in her own life. So im very compassionate in terms of whats going on in terms of her life. And, you know, the courts will decide, and i dont think we have to wait for anything else, and let the courts decide whether shes guilty or not guilty. And she should just assign the Office Activities to others while shes there and make sure that that decision gets done. And if she gets convicted, shes gonna have to leave anyway. Leaking grandjury information is something that is not always prosecuted very often, and terry madonna, in his politically uncorrected column, asks this question. Im just gonna throw it out here. If a male had held her office and did all the things that she did, would this male be in this much trouble . You know, [chuckles] this is playing into what Kathleen Kane, the kane strategy for months now the old boys network. Im being attacked because of the old boys network. Well, it was a woman who indicted her. It was a woman who handed down an indictment against another woman. I do not think whether or not a male in a similar position wouldve been indicted, Kathleen Kane is not the victim of sexism and the old boys network, and shes a victim, george, of her own incompetence. Okay, lets talk about chaka fattah. He vows to fight on, but should replacements start lining up for him . The philadelphia congressman is facing an indictment in a federal racketeering case. He spoke to action news this week. Vernon odom, lets listen to what he had to say. I will not equivocate, compromise, retreat one inch from the fact that im innocent. Now, congressman fattah has hardly been in hiding. Hes been at many events. He proclaims his innocence, says hes gonna run for another term, his 12th term. Some publications like phillymags citified are already making suggestions on who should replace congressman fattah if he is no longer in his position, and have mentioned darrell clarke, seth williams, vincent hughes, michael nutter, doug oliver, dwight evans. What do you think, george . Well, let me first say congressman fattah is my friend and has been my friend and will be my friend as we go through this process. I dont think hes going to step aside, and i do think hes gonna run for reelection next year. You know, these allegations have been out there for a long time. In fact, they were out there when he ran the last time, and he got 85 of the vote the last time, and so its not gonna be easy to take him out, even with this situation. It will not have been there will be no court process. There will still be allegations when he runs next year, and i think and i spend a lot of time. We play golf together. He is my friend, and so and hes very comfortable with challenging these allegations against him and believes hell be acquitted. This process takes a long time, and so itll be a year and a half before we really know whats going on, so that i think he feels its important for him to really find all the facts, to be able to defend himself with all the facts, and then figure out whether or not he can make that decision. So theres no question that its too early for a congressman to decide that, im gonna walk away from that job, until he really understands. Because there have been so many minorities who have been attacked by the federal government. It just seems like, for us, we get into the federal government, and we immediately are you suggesting thats a factor here . Well, i can tell you, when i was in the clinton administration, every single minority secretary got investigated, and three got convicted. All due respect, [chuckles] the corruption of oneparty rule in philadelphia is what brings us this time and time again. Now, i grew up in south philly. I saw my state senator go to jail, i saw two councilmen represented us go to jail, i saw another state senator go to jail, a congressman, and on and on four state reps recently accused of bribery. Chaka fattah was, we were told, a new kind of democrat he was thoughtful, he was independent, he was outside of the machine. And then were finding out hes innocent till Proven Guilty but now were finding out hes the same as all the rest of them, and until we do something about the oneparty rule in philadelphia and the arrogance that it breeds, this is gonna happen over and over and over and over again. This is not about oneparty rule. There is i always love to hear that. There is no one party in the city of philadelphia. The democrats in south philadelphia dont coordinate with the democrats in the northwest or in north philadel we dont all come together and decide what were gonna do and protect ourselves as democrats. We fight for these seats like cats and dogs. There is no anointing, there is an independent Political Movement, and lets not suggest that theres not corruption outside the boundaries of the city of philadelphia and theres not corruption in the Republican Party outside the boundaries of the city. Im not suggesting that either. Certainly what it sounds like. And where that corruption exists outside of the city of philadelphia is in places where theres totally republican control. It is a product of individuals who decide whether theyre gonna behave properly or behave improperly. And we keep electing the same type of people over and over again, all run by the machine in the city of philadelphia. You dont see that in Chester County and Montgomery CountyRepublican Party. Congressman fattah was not elected by the party. Congressman fattah is a product of an independent Political Movement that started with bill gray back in the mid 1970s that ran the arrogance that is bred by knowing you cannot lose because youre part of that machine and youre part of the Democratic Party is what helps bring us this time and time again. Help you with this. Were not the first illinois, new jersey, and then us. So were competing with some other states in terms of corruption, so there is corruption throughout in terms of the political system. A lot of it is cause so much damn money in politics. When i ran, you had those independent organizations, one giving 8 million to one candidate and 3 million to another candidate, and, you know, they want something back. And so, to some extent, part of it is all of that money thats involved in politics, which essentially creates so much of the corruption. You know what . Just let me say one thing with the indictment of congressman fattah. There have been attacks on the doj about this being a political indictment, just as there were attacks on the doj when they went after menendez because of criticism of the administration in cuba and iran and what have you. And i think that that, from that perspective, thats completely unfair because zane memeger is not a political animal. He has shown himself to be a very dedicated, very honest, very a man with a great deal of integrity. 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Shell likely face former congressman joe sestak in the democratic primary next year and, if she won, would face incumbent republican pat toomey in the fall of 2016. Now, all of you remember her run for governor. She came in last place, but everyone was falling over themselves to comment about how great of a campaign she ran it was positive. Would that kind of Campaign Beat toomey . Well, i dont know that the question is whether it would beat toomey. I think the question is, can she beat sestak before she get