Amongst the people that still work there, and the investigators . Well, i wouldnt say im the best person in the world. I think that there are probably a lot of good people because most of us dont take bribes, and most of us are really more interested in doing the right thing than we are in lining our pockets or having a lot of glory, but i think the way that you have to do this, of course, is to set a standard, and you need to make it very clear to all of your staff that there are no favors, that there are no gifts, that you will not tolerate anything of that sort. You got to do the kind of thing that liz holtzman did in brooklyn, which was if someone flashed a bag to get a free ride on public transit, they were fired. I mean, you got to be serious about that, but at a larger level, we have to look, also, at issues of, i would say, Institutional Corruption. There are far too many supervisors, and a lot of them were made that for reasons having nothing to do with running a good office. They were more social or political on the part of Seth Williams, and also we have to look at things like civil asset forfeiture, which has, frankly, turned into a form of Institutional Corruption where peoples property is taken without justification. Ms. Grossman, restoring dignity to the office you seek. Certainly. Well, obviously, you lead by example, and whoever is District Attorney and hopefully me you have to set the highest of ethical standards, and, again, similar to what my opponent said, no taking of anything, no favors, no economic benefits. You have to have a strict code of conduct. Nothing will be tolerated. You cant accept anything economically, nor should you do anything with regard to sentencing an offer in cases. I think thats very important. The other thing is, i think if elected d. A. , i would be out there as many meetings as possible to account what the office is doing to the public because you are serving the public, and you need to listen and hear what the public wants out of its District Attorneys office. Certain things need to be streamlined there. There are too many supervisors, and you have to make the most economical use of our budget. Both of you want to be the top law enforcer in the city of philadelphia, so lets talk about policing. Ms. Grossman, youre gonna get the first one here. Police brutality and Police Safety have always been big issues in law enforcement, but more so today than ever before. So, why dont we start out with trying to find a balance . How would you, ms. Grossman, balance supporting the police, in what is a very dangerous job, while also ensuring members of the community are not unduly harassed or even harmed during investigations of crimes or during moments when police have to go out there and try to maintain order . Well, first of all, its very important to have a good working relationship with the Philadelphia Police department. I certainly have worked, over the years, with commissioner ross, as well as commissioner ramsey. I know a lot of the command staff, but that being said, during my time in the District Attorneys office, i have investigated and prosecuted Police Officers, and let me make clear, nobody is above the law. For a Police Officer, whether youre on duty or off duty, if you commit a crime, it will be investigated, and if there is sufficient evidence, he or she will be prosecuted, but, also, its important to continue to work with commissioner ross to improve trust between communities and the Police Department, such as continuing to decrease stopandfrisk for no reason. That cannot be tolerated, and its also really working out there, joining with the Police Department, and improving and engaging with the community so they understand that there can be trust between the Police Department and the d. A. s office, but, look. Officers have to do their job. It is tough. It doesnt always mean that it will rise to a criminal incident. Mr. Krasner, policing balance between the two that i mentioned . So, you know, in my opinion, the right and conservatives forever have tried to make us think we have an either or situation, that somehow Holding Police officers accountable makes us unsafe. Thats a bunch of nonsense. Theres absolutely no contradiction between lifting up good Police Officers by pushing the bad ones out of the way and making us all safer. Thats how you make us safer. You have one standard of law that applies to everyone whether youre rich or not, whether youre famous or not, whether you wear a uniform or not, whether youre a politician or not. There has to be one standard, and no one complains when Seth Williams goes to jail even though he is a lawenforccer, even though he is a lawyer, because we know thats fair. Well, the same thing applies to police, and to the extent that you do that, you restore trust in the police, you lift up the good ones, and you do that, simply put, by pushing the bad ones out of the way. Mr. Krasner, were gonna talk about stopandfrisk, which ms. Grossman mentioned, and well get you a crack on it. Let me ask it this way. What would you tell members of a community in philadelphia, a particular neighborhood, who believe that stopandfrisk has made their neighborhood safer, and theyre willing to accept that as a fact and that as a practice . What would you tell them in saying, well, were just not going to do it. Im sorry . Well, what we are gonna do is were gonna permit legal i repeat legal stopandfrisk. What were not gonna permit is illegal stopandfrisk, and its not even as if i have a choice. The chief prosecutor takes an oath to uphold the constitution. Illegal stopandfrisk violates the constitution, but i would also say, lets use a little science instead of just use our own anecdotal reasoning. Science is clear. Fortynine out of 50 times when you do stopandfrisk, you find nothing, and when i say nothing, i mean, you dont even find that bag of weed thats in the back pocket of some kid. You dont even find that pocketknife thats a little too long, and you only find a gun one out of 400 times. So we have to not just look at what is found, we need to look at the reality that when you do that to 50 kids, 49 of them having done nothing wrong, and you humiliate them because they are in a poor neighborhood where they will be enforced more strictly than they will in chestnut hill, whats gonna happen is youre gonna alienate those 49 kids, and the ones who wanted to be cops dont want to be cops anymore, and the ones who might give information to police to solve homicides are not gonna do it anymore. Let me go on to ms. Grossman on that stopandfrisk. You already said that you dont favor it. Well, it has to be done if there is articulable, reasonable suspicion that that crime is afoot. It cannot be done for profiling. It cannot be done just to harass people, because that does build distrust in the community. So its not going to help anything, and we have to uphold the constitutional laws of our nature. Thats the way it is, but i think if theres trust built by decreasing stopandfrisk, then i think people are gonna feel more comfortable actually approaching Police Officers to say, look. This is going on. Can you do something about it . So you sort of have to approach crimefighting in a different way and healing bridges between communities and the Police Department. Lets talk about crime victims, and as District Attorney, you or any of your assistant d. A. S will be the ones who have to make contact with these people, make them feel safe, make them feel like theres going to be a judicious process. So, ms. Grossman, to a victim of a Violent Crime lets say, perhaps, like a rape or an aggravated assault, or lets say youre dealing with a relative who lost a Family Member to a murder, how would the d. A. s office care for these people . Well, first, in my 21 1 2 years as a prosecutor in the d. A. s office, i have dealt with victims from all walks of life, including Young Children all the way to senior citizens. So the d. A. S are trained to speak and treat people with respect. We also have wonderful working relationships with amazing victimwitness organizations, such as women organized against rape, women against abuse, and our geographic victimwitness services. So they provide services to people in the courtroom as this horrible trauma has to be relayed when people have to testify. So we sort of work together, along with Victim Service providers from the Police Department they have victim witness officers so its sort of a team approach, and we make sure that people get the resources that they need. Mr. Krasner, handling victims of crimes. Well, first of all, i am a victim of crime. I was slashed in the face about 10 years ago in center city, philadelphia. I have repeatedly represented victims in my capacity as a private attorney, including right now two little girls whose mother was run over by a drunk driver and killed. So i have very strong feelings about victims being handled properly, and i think a lot of what ms. Grossman is saying is true, that there have been efforts to do right by victims, but if we look around the country, theres a lot more that can be done, and we need to do a lot more for victims. I should not have had to do the things i had to do as a private attorney to help victims, both in the court and also with things afterwards, and when i did so, i often encountered, frankly, resistance from the District Attorneys office in terms of providing paperwork or videos or the things that were necessary to help these little girls get the kind of Financial Assistance they should have. So we need to do more, and i think we can do more if we look around the country for good examples. Mr. Krasner, what would you say to a parent in philadelphia who worries about their child being wounded or killed by a Police Officer under suspicious circumstances . And i also pose that question to ms. Grossman. Well, as many people know, i have worked as a civil rights attorney for almost 25 years, and part of the work that we have done has included, when we thought it was justified, filing lawsuits against police when we believe that there was brutality or there was corruption, or someone was being framed for some reason, and weve done that more than 75 times. So, number one, i have no reservation about prosecuting people who are in uniform and are intentionally committing crimes. I have no reservation about that. This d. A. s office for 30 years has, sadly, been essentially a coverup organization for improper activity by Police Officers. Its been that way for reasons that are political, by which, i mean, all these other d. A. S who came before me wanted to run for office across the state, and they were more interested in ingratiating themselves to the police union than doing right by the citizens of philadelphia. So what i would say is, we all know that Police Officers sometimes make a mistake. Well, a mistakes not a crime, but we also know they sometimes commit crimes, and if they commit crimes, they will be treated just as well and just as harshly as anybody who does not have a uniform. Ms. Grossman, parents who worry that their children could actually be put in danger when in contact with police. Well, look. Let me make clear again, as i said before. I have prosecuted Police Officers and investigated Police Shootings, and if there is a Police Shooting, it will be investigated. If it rises to a criminal level and offense, then that officer will, indeed, be prosecuted. I must object to what my opponent said. The d. A. s office, im proud of my 21 years there. He may think its a corrupt organization, but, listen. He took mr. Jack mcmahon, who ran for d. A. As a republican, with him when he wanted to address the f. O. P. So if youre saying its been corrupt for 30 years, thats who you took with you, and i find that hypocritical. Let me turn this question around, and well start with ms. Grossman. What do you say to the spouse of a Philadelphia Police officer who worries that a splitsecond decision by that officer may end up costing that officer his life, costing him his job, costing him his reputation, and is it fair that we are able to debate that splitsecond decision for days, weeks, months, years . It is a very, very difficult thing when it comes to a Police Shooting because none of us have been in that situation im obviously going to assume you havent and it is a lifeordeath, splitsecond thing, and one of the worst days of my role as a prosecutor was going to the scene with internal affairs when Sergeant Stephen liczbinski was murdered and was gunned down by an assailant. So it is a very nerveracking thing for a spouse when his or her spouse leaves to go to work as a Police Officer, and all i could say is with Police Shootings, i will tell spouses, as well as officers themselves, that a Police Shooting will be looked at fairly and appropriately, and they will not be made an example of just because they are Police Officers. Mr. Krasner, splitsecond decision. I mean, its very simple. There is one standard for everybody. We evaluate splitsecond decisions for people who have uniforms and dont have uniforms, and we take into account things like why theyre there. If you are on location with a gun because you are a Police Officer, that is obviously a factor in your favor, but there arent two standards here. There isnt the police get the benefit of every doubt and no one else does standard. We have to be evenhanded. We are endangering Police Officers by decreasing trust, by having a d. A. s office that has historically covered up when there was a crime, all right . We can be evenhanded. Its not that hard, and by doing so, we elevate the good officers. We make them safer because we increase trust. I think we have time for one more question before the break. I want to ask you about the ferguson effect. Im sure both of you know exactly what i mean. It was mentioned by former fbi director james comey as a possible reason why some cities are seeing increases in crime as police maybe are backing off. Some people think its happening in chicago. Do you believe, mr. Krasner, that there is a ferguson effect in this country . Do i believe that Police Officers are refusing to respond to emergencies . I mean, is that the question . I cant imagine that the good Police Officers would refuse to do their duty when theyre paid by taxpayers, and i dont think that comey has a whole lot of credibility in any regard for a lot of reasons we probably remember from the last election. Ms. Grossman. Well, from just speaking to various people during the course of this campaign, i do think that some Police Officers here will have some hesitation to do their jobs in light of my opponent having sued the Police Department over 75 times, and i think there is some fear and trepidation that they will be made examples of and prosecuted because they are Police Officers. May i respond to that . Ill let you respond, and if youd like to respond, as well. Ill give you 20 seconds. I think its pretty irresponsible to suggest to Police Officers who are paid by the public, by the taxpayers, that its okay at any level for them to decide that theyre going to do or not do their duty because of some, frankly, phony message about what it is that the District Attorney might do. You cant kidnap a city. Ms. Grossman, would you like to respond . Well, i certainly hope that that is not the case because everybody deserves to be safe in their neighborhoods. More questions for the candidates for philadelphia District Attorney when we come back. 6abcs inside story is presented by Temple University. Why are south jerseyans turning against Steve Sweeney . Its because sweeneys been exposed as a double dipping pension padder. Caught spending Campaign Money on lavish dinners and fine cigars for his pals. Investigated for being a lobbyist and a senator at the same time. Sweeney voted to raise taxes 145 times while our economy continues to struggle. South jersey is a mess, and its time to take out the trash. On november 7th, make a change. Dump sweeney. Hes a husband, father, veteran. But most of all, hes a fighter. Chris brown has never been afraid to take on the big fights. Thats why he stood up to republicans and democrats alike to fight the north jersey casinos and the takeover of atlantic city. Chris brown is fighting to protect jobs in our region. A true champion for the working men and women of atlantic county. On november 7th, lets keep him fighting for us. Chris brown for state senate, hes on our side. Back with the candidates for philadelphia District Attorney. Next questions going to you, mr. Krasner. Were gonna talk about corruption in philadelphia politics. The list of politicians who have gone to jail, even recently, is embarrassingly long Seth Williams, chaka fattah, vince