Transcripts For WTXF Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace 2017

WTXF Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace October 29, 2017

Complacent or silent. Chris what do republican attacks on the president mean for the future of the party . We will talk with Ohio Governor john kasich, a trump critic. Its a Fox News Sunday exclusive. Plus, President Trump and the republicans still looking for the first big legislative win. This budget that we just passed in the house today, exist one step closer to historic tax reform. Chris we will ask our sunday panel if they can make good on the promise of big tax cuts by the end of the year. And our power players of the week, showing the struggles our nations heroes face when they come home. All right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. We begin with the latest reports at least one person has been charged in connection with special counsel Robert Muellers investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. The reports say a federal grand jury approved the chargers friday. Those charges have been sealed by a judge and anyone facing charges could be taken into custody as soon as tomorrow. Meanwhile, House Republicans are launching new investigations into Hillary Clinton, including the revelation that her campaign and the Democratic National committee paid for Opposition Research that led to the russian dossier that accused the Trump Campaign of collusion with the russians. Joining us now to discuss all this, congressman trey gowdy, chairman of the House Oversight committee. Chairman, lets start with the report from several news outlets that the first mueller charges will be announced tomorrow. As a former federal prosecutor yourself, what well be be looking for . Representative gowdy first of all, chris, we all know whos being charged. Lets assume the reporting is true, we dont know who is being charged, we dont know the time. I will say this, the only conversation ive had with Robert Mueller it was stressing to him the importance of cutting out the leaks with respect to serious investigations. It is kind of ironic that the people charged with investigating the law and executing the law would violate the law and make no mistake, disclosing grand jury material is a violation of the law. As a former prosecutor im disappointed that you and i are having the conversation that meant somebody violated their oath of secrecy. Chris lets handicap this if you will, expert analysis. As a federal prosecutor you are quite right, we do not know who is being charged and what they are being charged for. What, if anything, when we find that out, whether its somebody close to the president , somebody further down, whether its something related to russia or in effect and extraneous charge, not to say its not a legitimate charge. But Something Like fraud, or money laundering, what will that tell us about the Mueller Investigation . Representative gowdy a little phrase from rod rosenstein, a rose or may arise from investigation. The reason you have that phraseology is if special cos evidence of a crime unrelated to his or her jurisdiction come you dont ignore it, but its going to be really important whether or not this indictment involves 15yearold business transactions or 15dayold conversations with russia. Its really important what the charge is, its really important who the person being charged is. One thing i dont get that excited about, although i do see a lot of reporting, somehow or another you will be able to flip a witness and that witness is going to turn states evidence on everyone else. If you didnt believe a witness yesterday, chances are great you are not going to believe that witness tomorrow. Particularly if they are under indictment and have a reason to curry favor with the government. These investigations come down to documents and evidence much more than they do witness testimony so i would caution of yours, dont get too excited that all of a sudden government has a star witness. That star witness, you probably didnt believe a week ago and you probably wont believe a week from now. Chris there have been growing calls from some republicans to end the Mueller Investigation. Some people say hes too close to comey and the fbi and that he ought to resign. Some people say that when the mueller budget for the special counsel investigation is presented to congress to review next month that they should cut off funding. Do you support any effort to either curtail or end the Mueller Investigation . Representative gowdy i dont. I readily concede im in an increasingly small group of republicans, i think bob mueller has overly distinguished career of service to our country. I dont think any of your viewers can think of a single thing he did as an fbi director that calls them to have a lack of confidence in him. I think most of our viewers have to be reminded that he actually was the fbi director or that he actually was a u. S. Attorney, because hes a pretty apolitical guy. I see the reporting, i see the same thing youre making reference to that he and comey are friends. Im not really sure what the definition of that is. Ive got a lot of coworkers that it wouldnt stop me from investigating them or prosecuting them. They are not family members, they werent business partners. I would encourage my republican friends, give the guy a chance to do his job. The result will be known by the facts covered by what he uncovers. If the personalities involved are much less important to me than the underlying facts. I would say give the guy a chance to do his job. Chris lets turn to the revelation this week and it turns out that the Clinton Campaign and the Democratic National committee paid for the Opposition Research that led to the writing, the formulation, of this russian dossier that has made all kinds of accusations against President Trump and his campaign. What do you think is the significance of that revelation . Representative gowdy one of the areas of significance is just how hard the democrats in congress fault republicans are trying to gain access to this information. If it were up to adam schiff and other democrats, they want all the facts to come out, all the facts of our stricter government, except to finance the dossier. Thats the most important thing to me is how unserious the democrats in the house a bit about uncovering all of the facts. I am interested in who paid for the dossier because that helps you understand motive and intent and whether or not you can rely on the document. I am much more interested in whether or not the department of justice and the fbi relied upon that dossier and initiating a counterintelligence investigation or in court findings. If that really important to me. I dont expect the dnc to be objective. Almost by definition, Opposition Research is not objective. I do expect an entity represented by a blindfolded woman to be objective, and if they relied on that dossier and they didnt corroborate it or vetted that we have a serious issue and thats the next thing that house intel is trying to find out, whether or not the u. S. Government relied on it. Chris let me ask you about that, to point you are making, and i agree these are two very important questions, did the fbi based its original investigatio investigation, at least in part of the dossier and when you talk about court representations, thats the possibility that they use the dossier to convince a court to allow the fbi to wiretap people in trump world, Trump Associates. Do you have any evidence of that. I understand the investigation is just beginning. Representative gowdy actually the investigation is not just beginning. Weve been trying for a long time to get the department of justice to give us access to this information, and frankly it took the speaker of the house this week to tell the department that we are not going away. Chris, people dont like it when i say this, but its actually true. Its sometimes hard to tell the difference between the Obama Department of justice and the Current Department of justice in terms of transparency and their willingness to share information with congress. This is a really simple request. Did you rely on the dossier, and if so, did you bet it you relied upon in . You can answer that and 30 seconds, but its taken three months for the department of justice, and only recently have they agreed to give us the information. The battle is not just with house democrats, unfortunately its also with the department of justice. The access we need to the information we need to wrap up the investigation. Chris what about the fact that the Clinton Campaign and the dnc, which paid 12 million to the law firm that paid for the Opposition Research that led to the dossier. But in the filings it simply said 12 million to the law firm for legal work. No mention of the fact that it was for ipo research that went to Christopher Steele, former British Intelligence agency agent that went to the kremlin. About the money to the kremlin, but his investigation. As i understand it, that willful misrepresentation of Campaign Expenditures is a criminal offense. Representative gowdy im not an election law expert but the good news is you dont have to be to understand the absurdity of believing that you can launder all of your Campaign Money by just hiring a law firm. Imagine if you and i were running for congress and we just hired a law firm and said hey, you go to all the opposition, you go by all the television, you go by although bumper stickers, higher all the experts and we will launder all of this through a law firm. I cant think of anything that defeats the purpose of transparency lost more than that. I am interested in that and i am also interested in sharing some memory tricks with folks at the dnc because no one can remember who paid 10 million to a law firm to do awful research i find that stunning. 10 million and no one can remember who authorized it, who approved it. If youve got two issues, a memory issue and then the lack of transparency by laundering money through a law firm. Chris we are running out of time but i want to ask you to more questions. One is that you also have begun an investigation into the 2010 uranium one deal. This was the deal under which 20 of americans uranium reserves ended up going to a russian government agency. Hillary clinton responded this week to all of this talk about her. I would like to play the clip of her. The closer the investigation about real russian ties between Trump Associates and real russians, the more they want to just throw mud on the wall and im their favorite target, me and president obama. We are the ones they always like to put into the cross hairs. Chris secretary clinton and other democrats are saying that you and the republicans are just trying to shift the conversation. Representative gowdy chris, all the way back in 2010 peter king two of my colleagues on the House Intel Committee sent a letter trying to better understand this transaction. In 2015 the House Oversight Committee Also wrote the Obama Administration trying to understand what cps did, whether or not they had all the information. Keep in mind we spent most of 2,017th trying to better understand what russia did to this country in 2016. Lots of the democrats, not to the republicans, but to this country. We know that russia was not our friend in 2016. Its not that big of a leap to ask, i wonder if they were all friends in 2010. Thats not that big of a leap. It wasnt republicans who gave the reset button to russia. It wasnt republicans was that we will have more flexibility in a second term. It was a republican named mitt romney who said russia was our greatest threat and the democrats laughed at him. Yes, i do want to know if the same group that tried to sabotage our democracy in 2016 is buying uranium in 2010. I want to know that. Chris two quick questions to wrap this up. On the one hand, given the revelations about the fact that the dnc and the Clinton Campaign paid for the russian dossier, do we at this moment have harder evidence of collusion between clinton and the russians than we do about trump and the russians . Representative gowdy there are five words that start with c. Collusion, coordination, conspiracy, contacts, and coincidence. Where this falls out in those five, i dont know. The word collusion has of criminal connotation to it. The premise of your question is accurate. For a long time weve heard about all the ties between the Trump Campaign and russia, for which there is no evidence and lo and behold, despite serious democrat opposition, we have uncovered that the dnc was working with russian actors to try disparage Donald Trumps reputation. Interesting with collusion, coincidence, coordination, i dont know yet. Chris very briefly, we do know as you point out that the key is the russians did interfere, they did hack the dnc files. They did hack and put out information about John Podestas files. Dont we need to get to the bottom of that too . I spent the better part of 2017 doing that, including interviewing three witnesses last week and ive got a bunch more this week. Russia is not our friend, wikileaks is not our friend, Juliana Sanchez not our friend. I try to attack the fundamentals of our democracy and thats what i spent 2017 focusing on. I wish the democrats would help a little bit more instead of reading the moscow phonebook trying to figure out if Jared Kushner knows a guy named igor. Thats been my focus in 2017, understanding that russia tried to subvert our democracy and it would be great if my democratic friends helped a little bit. Chris chairman, thank you, thank you for your time, and we will follow all the investigations in coming days. We do thank you. Chris up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the Newest Development in the russia story. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the clinton and dnc connections to moscow . Just go to facebook or twitter, foxnewssunday, and we may use your question on the air. Brought to you by chevron, finding better ways to do what they do doers doing. Real time inventory. Virtual changing rooms. Thats why retailers rely on comcast business to deliver consistent Network Speed across multiple locations. Every corporate office, warehouse and store near or far covered. Leaving every competitor, threat and challenge outmaneuvered. Comcast business outmaneuver. They made up the whole russia hoax. Now its turning out that the hoax is turned around and you look at whats happened with russia, and you look at the uranium deal and you look at the fake dossier, so thats all turned around. Chris President Trump this week saying the real russian scandal involves Hillary Clinton and the democrats. But now there are reports the federal grand jury has approved the first charges in Robert Muellers investigation. Time now for our sunday group. The head of Heritage Action for america, michael needham. Mo , institute of politics and public service. A former democratic congresswoman jane harman, director of the Woodrow Wilson center. And fleischer, former press secretary at the white house under george bush. If you all have very distinguished and long titles. What do you make of these reports that special counsel mueller has gotten much first charges filed by a grand jury in his investigation and that whoever is being charged may be taken into custody tomorrow . I think what i tried to failure, a responsible position all your longer spent to to allow these investigations to play out and see what the special prosecutor comes up wit with. Not to speculate in advance. We dont know what will happen tomorrow, if anything will happen tomorrow, if these reports are correct that the investigation should allow itself to play out. The country has the right to know what russia, an enemy of the united states, has done to undermine our democracy and as we get to the side and part of this panel we certainly have the right to know what other things have gone on with uranium on the russians or the democrats. We should all allow the information to come out, evaluad once we know what we are evaluating and maybe we will find out more tomorrow. Chris congresswoman, just to pick up on his point, we dont know who is being charged and we dont know what theyre being charged for, but assuming that the reports are all correct that indictments are issued, announced tomorrow, wont that give mueller more running them to continue his investigation . It probably will and i applaud what trey gowdy just said, that he supports mueller and theres no reason to believe that mueller is a partisan actor. I think thats the place this investigation has to go. Sadly, its kind of running out of steam on capitol hill, although i think they are entitled to get more information. Mueller is a lawyer with impeccable credentials and the country trusts and, it is one of the few people the country seems to trust anymore now that congress is 80 mistrust and the Trump Administration is 70 mistrust. Chris let me turn to the other side of this, theres only so much we can talk about, something we have no idea whats going to happen. Thats never really stopped us.

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