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Politics. >> you know, chris and rod, we watched the olympics all day here today. let's go to the data. everything is down to numbers. in your state of florida, rod, out of 37 million votes cast, 179 allegations. that's 0.0005%. and in your state, chris, we have 13 cases out of 31 million votes cast. that's 0.00004%. so we have a solution looking for problem. we have some real attempts to undermine in my opinion the democratic rights of all voters. white, black, asian, latino in those states. and i think it has to be resisted. >> i absolutely agree with you. in fact, one of the things nobody h...

Right? >> right. >> judith, when you look at the fact that out of 31 million votes cast, only 0.00004% have resulted in a claim of fraud. i mean, there is no reason at all to have changed the id laws, and make them more difficult to deny people like mrs. applewright the right to vote. >> right, this is not about preventing fraud, it's about preventing voting. to change the rules in the middle of the game is not fair. to undermine or democracy by taking away the precious right to participate in our democracy is a shame. there's no evidence of impersonation of voters, and people like mrs. applew...