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That's why she wound up dying. lovely, kind, considerate, warm. you know, it's terrible to think of -- that her last moments she was really a fine person. >> you hadn't known what happened to her until fairly recently, obviously, when the names were released and when you found out from friends and family? >> it was a terrible saturday. i knew people back there in law enforcement enough to know that the scene had to be frozen. you couldn't move anybody because it's a crime scene for about 12 hours. so we were waiting anxiously, and with increasing hopelessness, and then the news was released at...

They want -- they welcome all people and really, the only people that show up there are the people that have been banned from other places. >> harry, there's been a rise in hate speech, and instances of anti semitism online. the adl found between july of 2016 and january of 2018 the use of the term jew and derogatory terms for it grew and dra matly increased on gab. what's the message to people in your community, people back at your childhood synagogue about how to combat this? >> wow, is it tough. and attacks themselves are up 70%. you knew from the moment of the shooting you were going to go...

Internet effectively. a message reads in part we are the most censored and threat to the media. gab is not going anywhere. joining me now is ben collins and harelry lipman. tree of life was his synagogue as a child. welcome. >> thank you. >> harry, let me start with you first. you know tree of life. and i understand that you knew one of the victims of this shooting. can you tell me a little bit about joyce? your memories of her, what she was like? >> she was a lovely woman. she was at synagogue because she was saying the prayer for the dead for her husband, steven. two years after he had died,...

To convert tragedy to resolve, to constructiveness. pittsburgh is well-suited. it's a decent and cohesive community, but for you, i think it's reeling, and it will be that way far couple weeks. but community leaders are coming together with -- to try to be -- look -- be forward looking and comforting. >> harry, ben, thank you. let's keep up the conversation later in the week. we are out of time for this hour of msnbc live. more news with craig melvin now. >> good morning. we are from head quarters in new york city. synagogue attack. the suspected gunman behind the worst attack against jews in ...