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Isis or al qaeda as being part of a death cult, one of the things is that they're generally not supposed to be arrested. >> that's right. they want to go out either suicide. death is certainly not a problem. how do you join a death cult? you can join it online, inspired and join it. you can go to syria or iraq and join it. you can do an act of murder and join it. but it's the same -- he declared himself a sovereign citizen which is a crackpot, antigovernment group of people who have murdered police, who don't follow any laws. how do you become one of them? you declare yourself one. you say i'm...

One of those thing. you heard the spokesperson from the toronto police very, very caution about saying what it is. we know from eyewitness reports there were bags, tarps covering people. most of the witnesses we have seen have said there were dead people. but you can hear in the voice of police spokesperson the caution before anybody says anything that leads us down a road of deliberate terrorist act. >> right. but you know, what we have to do, we have to also consider the statistical probability. we know that both al qaeda and isis has advocated -- have advocated. >> right. >> on their websit...

Everywhere and fire trucks. there are a number of helicopters in the sky which i think were hunting for the truck but i believe they've actually found and stopped the driver from what i've read. >> all right. we are looking on the left at the video henry miller who is on the phone with me has shot. last word to you, dean, what does this make you think? >> well, if it turns out to be isis related 0er isis inspired, one thing while it's subtle, it's isis inspired, not islam inspired. as a muslim my heart goes out to the people. it is despicable. what the person did has nothing to do with my fait...

We all know isis and al qaeda tell their people to do. >> i'm not saying this is not a muslim gone awry following a perverted version of islam. i'm not saying that at all. there were two other car -- terrorism acts not mentioned. north carolina -- it is easy to get their hands on to commit a horrible attack. let's hope it's not. let's hope it's someone with personal problems. if the it's terrorism, find out whoever rat callized them and how they got here regardless of their religion. >> we have an arrest in the waffle house mass killing. like antioch tennessee, and my

This is a problem. because i think jim made the point this isn't islam. this is a death cult that inspires people. people who are inspired by don't have any membership in the cult. they never signed up. they probably never talked to anybody in the organization that's inspire them whether it's isis or al qaeda. i wonder, to your earlier point, how we differentiate between a guy we knew in -- at the waffle house shooting in tennessee who was known to have mental issues, and a guy who rents a car at the behest of some organization he's never been a part of and drives and kills people. >> well, i ...