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it's just a matter of how fast," did you really believe that? of course i believed it then. i think it's a fair assessment about where the anc find themselves — in the last local government elections, in 2021, they, for the first time in post—democratic south africa, lost their majority and fell below 50%. this obviously allied with the fact that our economy's not growing, we've got 30 million people living in poverty, 12 million people unemployed, and loadshedding, rolling blackouts, which have reached into every home and switched off the lights, switched off our factories, and ...

of the guard coming in south africa, the anc�*s decline is terminal. it's just a matter of how fast," did you really believe that? of course i believed it then. i think it's a fair assessment about where the anc find themselves — in the last local government elections, in 2021, they, for the first time in post—democratic south africa, lost their majority and fell below 50%. this obviously allied with the fact that our economy's not growing, we've got 30 million people living in poverty, 12 million people unemployed, and loadshedding, rolling blackouts, which have reached into e...

the anc has been damaged by economic stagnation, a protracted energy crisis, and massive inequality. my guest today is the leader of the biggest opposition party, the democratic alliance, john steenhuisen. could he become south africa's first white leader since apartheid? john steenhuisen, welcome to hardtalk. great to be with you, stephen. well, it's great to be here in cape town. let's start with a very simple question. when you said not so long ago, "there is a changing of the guard coming in south africa, the anc�*s decline is terminal. it's just a matter of how fast," did you ...

my guest today is the leader of the biggest opposition party, the democratic alliance, john steenhuisen. could he become south africa's first white leader since apartheid? john steenhuisen, welcome to hardtalk. great to be with you, stephen. well, it's great to be here in cape town. let's start with a very simple question. when you said not so long ago, "there is a changing of the guard coming in south africa, the anc�*s decline is terminal. it's just a matter of how fast," did you really believe that? of course i believed it then. i think it's a fair assessment about where the anc...

Ofjohannesburg. he left the party saying, i quote, "i cannot reconcile myself with a group of people who believe that race is irrelevant in the discussion of inequality and poverty in south africa." that's very different to what he says in those various books that he's written, and his now professed commitment to non—racialism. people come and go in politics, the policies and values remain. 0ur alternative to these race—based policies of the anc, which have only delivered widening inequality, greater unemployment, and a worse deal for black south africans, is focusing on poverty and focusi...