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About that, but let me clarify something, the numbers that you're hearing about raising spending and so forth really aren't accurate. ten years ago on what we call discretionary part of the budget, which is the part of the budget that congress actually controls on annual basis we spent $1.3 trillion. this year we're going to spend $1.37 trillion. so, that portion of the budget has gone up less than 10% in ten years. so, this wasn't a massive increase in spending. and what we -- what we're comparing it to -- and this gets in the weeds -- >> that's okay. >> there was an artificial number set in ...

Matter to working men and women in the midwest, things that -- leland: do you worry in the first debate you had so many of the democrats talk about giving free health care to illegal immigrants and other sort of top-line, bigtime progressive policies. these aren't policies, you and i know it, that play well with working voters in the midwest. they're not interested in their tax dollars being spent on that. >> i don't even want to put it that way, but what they are worried about is wage increases and thought they'd have safe and secure retirement and suddenly they're not going to? when we've go...

Needing to support donald trump. they were voting for him. this is anybody's game right now. >> mike: one big issue on the tray to-do list, trade deal, does it get through before august recess? >> i don't know if it gets through by the august recess, but i'm going to tell you that we as a country, as americans, have got to get a new nafta 2.0. i live in a state that was badly hurt by nafta 1.0. we need to get changes in it. if we do have right now -- general motors announced a new plant in mexico last august and they're playing a dollar 50 an hour. even ambassador lighthouse house or agrees th...

From this week's tension with iran and if so is he channeling his instincts or tucker carlson's? markinceburg also served an adviser on mideast policy in the carter administration. what do you think of this very public way that donald trump has threatened and pulled back? >> it's the public reality show foreign policy version 1.0. and with respect to iran, ari, i don't think the president knows from one day to the next what he wants to do on iran. the fact of the matter is that the withdrawal from the iran nuclear deal accelerated the impact of american sanctions on the iranian economy. i don'...

Continue to have a conversation. >> keep going. >> keep going. >> don't get in a word. >> it will be fun. i want lindsey graham 1.0 to debate lindsey graham 2.0, and people will see the hypocrisy. he epitomizes why people don't like politics anymore. >> charlie, if there's one name, one face, one person that epitomizes the republican party's complete capitulation to donald trump, it would be lindsey. i have known lindsey since '94. i like him personally. it's hard not to like lindsey personally. but to hear what he said during the campaign and then see him flip-flop and attack anybody who says...