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He's low stress. >> yeah, right. >> his diet is good. i'm getting about 115/70. >> that's great. >> that's great. that's exactly -- i would say that anything between 100 and 120 is probably okay. and for the lower number, you want it to be 80 or below. >> okay. so folks should talk to their doctor and make sure that they can do everything they can to get their blood pressure number down to 120 is the big one. >> diet, exercise, weight loss, and if none of that is working for you, do not shy away from medication if your doctor suggests it. >> all right. >> dr. siegel thank you very much. all ...

Onto an amendment. what's amazing to me is that this huge grassroots movement is not being covered by the major media. >> so we are happy to have you on the show to talk about it, ben. i guess i wonder a couple things. we talk about corporations and whether or not they are people or not people. one thing you guys -- ben & jerry has been involved in the political debate and social responsibility. you pay a livable wage to your workers at $15.70 a year last year. how did you get interested in money in politics? >> i think money in politics is literally the root of all evil in politics. you know,...